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PostPosted: 04/13/15 10:38 am • # 1 
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The GOP/TPer clown car is filling up ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Another leap into the 2016 race: Marco Rubio declares he is ‘uniquely qualified’ to be president
Reuters / 13 Apr 2015 at 11:43 ET

U.S. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida told top donors on Monday that he will run for the White House because he is “uniquely qualified” to represent the Republican Party in the 2016 presidential race, the Associated Press reported.

During a conference call with donors, Rubio criticized Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as a leader from yesterday and said the 2016 race will be a choice between the past and the future, AP said.

Rubio, a son of Cuban immigrants who rode the Tea Party wave of 2010 to national prominence, will formally announce his presidential bid later on Monday with a speech at Miami’s Freedom Tower.

That is where thousands of Cuban exiles fleeing the communist-run island in the 1960s were first registered by U.S. authorities. Rubio is expected to make a muscular foreign policy a focal point of his campaign, portraying himself as the Republican most ready to handle threats to America in a chaotic world.

Rubio’s support registers in single digits in opinion polls of the likely contenders in what is expected to be a crowded Republican presidential field. But aides believe Rubio, who was on 2012 nominee Mitt Romney’s short list for vice president, will rise when voters take a closer look at him.

He will be the third Republican to formally announce a White House bid, following Republican Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky.

Rubio’s attempt to capture the campaign spotlight follows Clinton’s declaration of her candidacy for the Democratic presidential nomination in a video announcement on Sunday that grabbed worldwide media attention.

Clinton, a former secretary of state, will hit the campaign trail in Iowa on Tuesday and Wednesday. Iowa holds the kickoff contest in the parties’ presidential nominating process early next year.

(Editing by John Whitesides, Leslie Adler, Andre Grenon and Christian Plumb)

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/another-leap-into-the-2016-race-marco-rubio-declares-he-is-uniquely-qualified-to-be-president/


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two sons of right wing, anti-Castro, Cuban ex-pats in the race. interesting.


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Fidel's revenge.


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Didn't Castro empty the asylums a number of years ago?
Yep. It's called the Mariel Boatlift.


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I don't really understand Rubio, who has a young family, taking this very big gamble with very bad odds for him ~ :ey ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Marco Rubio rolls the dice
04/13/15 12:40 PM—Updated 04/13/15 05:07 PM
By Steve Benen

The status quo for Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is actually quite comfortable. He’s a U.S. senator from one of the nation’s largest states, where he enjoys favorable support. The Florida Republican is on the committees he likes; he gets plenty of attention from the Beltway media; and he’s a young, 43-year-old politician who’d probably be able to stay in this cushy position for the next several decades.

But later today, Rubio will put it all on the line for a chance at the White House.

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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Flo.) told donors Monday morning that he is running for president in 2016 and that he is “uniquely qualified” to be the GOP nominee, a campaign source in Miami confirmed to msnbc.

Rubio is set to officially announce his campaign for president Monday at 6 p.m. in his hometown of Miami, adding his name to a growing list of official candidates.

While Sen Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is working diligently to ensure he can run for president and for re-election at the same time, Rubio has vowed to pursue a more daring course: the Florida Republican will give up his Senate seat to seek national office.

In other words, if his White House bid comes up short, Rubio will be left with nothing in January 2017.

That’s no small risk given that Rubio enters the race as an underdog. At this point, the Real Clear Politics averages show him running seventh in the crowded GOP field, while the Huffington Post poll aggregator has him running eighth. How many national polls to date have shown Rubio even reaching double-digit support among Republican voters? So far, zero.

He’s not even doing especially well in his home state.

That’s not to say Rubio doesn’t have some selling points as a presidential candidate, but he has a lot of ground to make up, which isn’t easy when there’s a field of 10 to 12 rivals battling for time, attention, and media oxygen.

Ironically, part of Rubio’s problem is that he’s far more right-wing than the political world seems to realize.

In some cycles, voters are presented with candidates who embrace a moderate platform, but who win over the party’s base with a combative and confrontational tone. Howard Dean’s 2004 campaign is a classic example – when it came to governing, the Democrat was a rather traditional center-left governor, but he had the attitude of a liberal firebrand.

Rubio is a great example of the polar opposite – the Florida lawmaker is a fairly radical ideologue who presents himself with a more mild-mannered, congenial posture.

But if one looks past the rhetoric – and the Beltway media’s affection – there’s simply nothing moderate about Rubio’s approach to governing. Rubio, for example, is a climate denier, despite representing Florida. He embraced a far-right line on contraception access and marriage equality. Rubio voted against the Violence Against Women Act. He’s argued that social-insurance programs like Medicare and Social Security “actually weakened us as a people.”

Rubio, who has no meaningful legislative accomplishments to his name after four years in the Senate, believes in debt-ceiling hostage strategies; he sees government shutdowns as a worthwhile tool; he’s rejected the very idea of a federal minimum wage; and he remains convinced that George W. Bush did a “fantastic job” as president.

He recently presented a tax-reform package that includes numbers that don’t quite add up: “Either Rubio is promising to run up bigger deficits than any president in history, or he’s swindling someone.”

Rubio has picked foreign policy as his signature issue, which is a poor choice given that it’s the issue he seems to know the least about.

What’s the difference between Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio? As a matter of policy, there really isn’t one. As a matter of style, Rubio is far more pleasant to be around.

Maybe the Florida Republican can parlay all of this into primary success anyway? Perhaps, but there’s also a flip-side to his far-right resume: Rubio also partnered with Democrats to write a compromise on comprehensive immigration reform, which the GOP base considers poison. It’s true that Republicans nominated John McCain in 2008 despite his support for a similar bill, but Republicans have moved much further to the right on this issue in the years since – and McCain didn’t have credible challengers for GOP voters to choose from.

Rubio, in other words, has an uphill climb ahead.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/marco-rubio-rolls-the-dice#break


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Rubio has vowed to pursue a more daring course: the Florida Republican will give up his Senate seat to seek national office.


Let's not jump the gun here. A good swill of a bottle of water will make him forget such crazy talk in a heart beat.


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Robert Reich:

Out of the Republican Party's clown car (or should the metaphor be Star Wars barroom?) today is Florida's Marco Rubio, who declares his candidacy for president. Here are four things you should know about him:

1. He denies humans are causing climate change. "I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it," he told ABC News last May. He also says government policies to limit emissions are pointless in the face of rising pollution from developing countries, and will be "devastating" to the US economy.

2. He's anti-gay and lesbian. Rubio opposes marriage equality. He has criticized adoption by gays and lesbian as a “social experiment” on children. He voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. He said he’d jettison immigration reform legislation if it included an amendment allowing gay Americans to sponsor their foreign spouses for permanent residency (a right long given heterosexual citizens).

3. He's a foreign policy hard-liner. Rubio wants to step up the fight against ISIS. He has criticized Obama for not doing enough to deter Russia in Ukriane. He opposes Obama’s plan to normalize relations with Cuba.

4. He's had trouble with his biography. His Senate website used to say his parents "came to America following Fidel Castro's takeover" until a Washington Post reporter revealed his parents arrived in the U.S. before Castro's takeover.

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Fits right in with "conservatives, crooks and kooks".


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You have to worry about a guy who thinks he's his country's destiny.


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Exactly, gramps! ~ Rubio is living in a bubble created by his own ego ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Rubio adds new paint to old ideas
04/14/15 08:00 AM—Updated 04/14/15 08:41 AM
By Steve Benen

Late yesterday in Miami, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) made it official, launching his 2016 presidential campaign with a not-so-subtle message: he’s this cycle’s new, fresh face.

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“Just yesterday, a leader from yesterday began a campaign for president by promising to take us back to yesterday,” Rubio said, referring to Clinton’s own campaign launch on Sunday. “Yesterday is over, and we are never going back. We Americans are proud of our history, but our country has always been about the future.”

The speech, which much of the political press fawned over, emphasized certain words over and over again. “Yesterday” got five mentions, as did the word “new.” The senator used the word “future” five times, and he added seven references to “generation.”

There were a whopping 13 references to “century,” mostly in reference to “new century” and “21st century.”

I half expected to hear “Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow” over the loudspeakers, though the song tends to be associated with someone else.

At the surface, it’s not a bad pitch. But in Rubio’s case, there are more salient questions about the messenger than the message.

The Florida Republican, for example, expressed dismay that American leaders are “taxing, borrowing and regulating like it’s 1999.” It was as foolish as it was wrong – in 1999, not only were tax rates higher than now, but the government wasn’t “borrowing” at all thanks to the federal surpluses that existed in the Clinton era.

At the time, the economic boom was reaching new heights, unemployment was reaching new lows, the nation was actually shrinking the national debt for the first time in generations. Rubio sees 1999 as some kind of dystopia to be avoided, but by any sane metric, those were economic conditions America should strive for, not avoid.

But even putting aside glaring and unnecessary factual errors, the more thematic problem was Rubio denouncing those who are “busy looking backward,” while at the same time, pushing an agenda that would roll back the clock.

To be sure, there’s room in the GOP field for a forward-thinking Republican willing to break with old party orthodoxy. But simply saying you’re a forward-thinking Republican willing to break with old party orthodoxy is posturing, not leading.

“[W]hile our people and economy are pushing the boundaries of the 21st century,” the far-right senator said, “too many of our leaders and their ideas are stuck in the 20th century.”

And to prove the point, Rubio wants to impose trickle-down economics on the country, while sticking to the Cuba embargo created more than a half-century ago. He denies climate science, just like the GOP of old. He opposes marriage equality, just like the GOP of old. He opposes reproductive rights and wants limits on contraception access, just like the GOP of old.

Even his campaign slogan – “a new American Century” – is a throwback to his party’s past.

Rubio’s media admirers swooned yesterday afternoon, impressed by his delivery and ability to speak with emotional resonance. But the problem is a familiar one: this is only impressive if we consciously dismiss substance as unimportant.


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rubio-adds-new-paint-old-ideas


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New American Century...


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This just came across my Facebook feed ~ the video is EXCELLENT ~ :st ~ Sooz

By Sean Conners / April 13, 2015
WATCH: Fact Checker Destroys The Entire Marco Rubio Presidential Bid In Less Than 80 Seconds (VIDEO)

Marco Rubio is rolling out his campaign. he is selling himself as part of a “new generation” of republicans. But by his own words and votes, that’s not at all accurate. As this fact checker from “factivists” puts it:

"Marco Rubio is a champion of the same failed trickle down policies that have failed us for the past 30 years."

Our friendly fact checker provides plenty of evidence to back up his assertion. He goes over Rubio’s constant support for tax breaks for the rich, on the backs of America’s middle class. He also points out Rubio’s steadfast opposition to a woman’s right to choose.

But wait there’s more, like this:

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All in all, it takes him less than 80 seconds to prove why Marco Rubio shouldn’t even bother with this run. He’s not different, he doesn’t represent anything new or original, and in his short time in the Senate he hasn’t been on the right side of many issues at all. Just an old wolf in a new sheep costume.

Watch the carnage HERE:


And as the video asks, share this so everyone can get the facts.

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/watch-fact-checker-destroys-the-entire-marco-rubio-presidential-bid-in-less-than-80-seconds-video/


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A strong, important commentary ~ what would be humorous if it were not so mean-spirited and damaging is the GOP/TPers believing themselves to be smarter than everyone else ~ :g ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Marco Rubio Is The Lipstick, The GOP Is The Pig
By Stephen A. Nuño Published April 14, 2015, 10:15 AM EDT

The media is in a frenzy over the entry of Marco Rubio into the presidential race. He’s young, handsome, well-spoken in English and Spanish, he’s got an immigrant history. He is a genuine American success story. The media has been waiting for a Republican candidate whose vision of America isn’t something found on a black-and-white sitcom from the 1950’s, and at first glance, Marco Rubio seems like that candidate.

But while he may be the best chance the GOP has to drag the party into the 21st century and connect with an essential part of the electorate, it may not be much of a chance after all. Because the problem between the GOP and Latinos isn’t marketing—it’s their policies. Marco Rubio may just be another GOP attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

The share of Latinos who identify as Republican over the last 15 years has remained relatively stable. According to Pew Hispanic Research, about 25 percent of Latinos identified as Republican in 1999, while 27 percent of Latinos did in 2014. That isn’t likely to change by much in 2016. And Rubio isn’t polling well among Latinos at the moment. Latino Decisions reports that Marco Rubio has a net-negative favorability rating in each state they polled except for Texas, where his net-favorability rating is a wash. The bottom line: Where Republicans go, anti-immigrant policies will follow.

While Marco Rubio’s stance on immigration wasn’t always so hard-line, he now supports ending DACA relief for eligible undocumented immigrants. About four million undocumented immigrants are eligible for temporary relief, and DACA is strongly favored by Latinos. Messing with DACA may appeal to the GOP base, but it won’t go over well with Latinos in 2016, especially since the policy is wholly dependent on the president. If Rubio is elected, ending DACA relief is likely to be the first thing on the agenda.

Marco Rubio is a walking immigration irony. He is not what happens when “you do it right,” but an example of what integrative immigration policies can do. The only entity that did it right in relation to Marco Rubio’s immigration story was the federal government and their favorable policies towards Cubans. Explaining why he wants to deny other Latinos access to the same opportunities his parents had won’t go over well in the Latino “firewall” states.

But immigration isn’t the only thing that matters to Latinos. In Gary Segura and Shaun Bowler’s book, The Future is Ours, they report that almost 74 percent of Latinos support greater government involvement to address the problems we face as a country. Meanwhile, the GOP favors small government and free markets—except when they don’t. Republicans, including Marco Rubio have been strong advocates of government intrusion of the job market when it comes to Latinos, by strongly pushing for E-verify, a system that threatens jobs and liberties.

The GOP continues to block student loan reform that will provide relief for Latinos. Unlike the older, whiter demographic of Republicans who benefited from a strong investment in education by the government, today’s GOP presidential hopefuls need to explain how education is important while arguing for less oversight of education by the federal government. And Latinos won’t be comforted by Marco Rubio’s states-rights argument, since minorities have historically fared poorly in these types of decisions where states are in charge. Latinos will want to know why, if states are such great arbiters of education, Rubio presided over $2.3 billion worth of cuts to Florida’s public education system.

When it comes to social issues, Republicans and Latinos couldn’t be more out of synch. Latinos support gay marriage in line with whites and the country. The GOP may be able to chip away at some protestant Hispanics with an anti-gay message, but Latinos are a young demographic, and young people support gay marriage. Pew Research reports that seven in 10 Millenials support same sex marriage and about a fifth of U.S. Millenials are Hispanic. Rubio might have a tough time explaining why he’s railed against gay parents’ right to adopt children, or helped fundraise for the Florida Family Policy Council, an organization that supports "ex-gay therapy."

Across the board, Latinos favor strong protections for the environment. From ending subsidies to oil and gas in New Mexico to strong views on conservation of national parks, forests, and wildlife, Latinos are far less likely to respond positively to anything resembling “drill baby, drill”.

Nobody likes taxes, and you’d think Rubio would at least fare well among Latinos when it comes to his hardline approach on taxes. But the fine print in their low taxes plans is that they also shift revenue-making policies to those which largely hurt low income taxpayers. The GOP has been at the forefront of eliminating the earned income tax credits (EITC) and supporting regressive tax policies like sales taxes to make up for the reductions in income taxes. Rubio has been in step with his party the whole way, advocating for a flat tax, extending the Bush tax cuts, and eliminating Florida’s property tax.

Marco Rubio and the GOP have fought tooth and nail against the expansion of Medicaid, a program that Latinos strongly favor in Rubio’s home state of Florida. Latinos strongly believe that the government should play a strong role in guaranteeing access to health care compared with the overall public. While support for the Affordable Care Act has waned, a GOP that has fought government support for healthcare is not likely to convince Latinos that a “free market” approach to health care is the answer.

Prisons are a big sticking point, too. The U.S. has among the highest incarceration rates in the world, surpassing Iran and Russia. Private prisons also house undocumented immigrants without any rights to due process and they disproportionately prey on minorities. Marco Rubio has been tied to one of the largest private prisons companies in the country, GEO Group, headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida. The privatization of the prison system has been seen as directly correlated to the high incarceration rates and it’s not just a Rubio problem. The GOP continues to push for private jails to save money. Doug Ducey of Arizona recently proposed a 70 million dollar reduction in higher education to balance the budget, only to propose a shift in those savings to increase state spending on private prisons. The GOP-run legislature surpassed Governor Ducey’s cuts in education by 30 million dollars.

Republicans hate unions and worker protection laws. The white middle class benefited substantially from strong unions, and the fall of unions has mirrored the fall of the middle class. Also, where Republicans go, right to work laws go. These laws significantly hurt Latinos. Republicans also oppose raising the minimum wage, a policy that has a significant negative impact on Latinos.

Wealth inequality between whites and Latinos is staggering. While the median wealth among whites is over $141,000, median wealth among Latinos is $13,700. The average age of Fox New viewers is 68 years old and come from a generation of Americans who benefited from a substantial government investment in education, infrastructure, housing, worker protections, and an expanding safety net. The substantial wealth of this generation is attributable and a testament to the investment of the government after WWII. The GOP wants to tear these policies down

Rubio may be young and charismatic, but when it comes to policy, he’s right in line with his party’s current M.O. The GOP's brand of liberty isn’t something Latinos are likely to buy given the party's record—no matter who is doing the selling.

Stephen A. Nuño is an Associate Professor in the Department of Politics and International Affairs at Northern Arizona University and a Contributor to NBC News.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/marco-rubio-is-the-lipstick-the-gop-is-the-pig


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PostPosted: 05/11/15 8:05 am • # 14 
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Rubio is nowhere even close to being ready for "prime time" ~ :g ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

A movie catchphrase is not a foreign policy
05/11/15 08:40 AM—Updated 05/11/15 09:27 AM
By Steve Benen

About a dozen Republican presidential hopefuls appeared in South Carolina over the weekend at the “Freedom Summit,” a showcase sponsored by Citizens United, and most of the rhetoric was consistent with expectations. But as msnbc’s Benjy Sarlin reported, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) delivered one line that stood out.

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Rubio told the audience he would model his approach to terrorism on Liam Neeson’s catchphrase in the film “Taken”:

“We will look for you, we will find you and we will kill you.”

If you haven’t seen the movie, here’s a handy clip of Neeson delivering the line.

This wasn’t some offhand comment that the far-right senator mentioned in an interview; this was in the prepared text. Indeed, Rubio’s campaign operation followed up on the speech by celebrating the line on social media. It’s also worth appreciating the efficacy of the rhetoric – it was met, by some accounts, with “thunderous applause.”

I should note for context that the Florida Republican didn’t just take the line and present it as his own – he’s not Rand Paul – but rather, he credited the film directly. “On our strategy on global jihadists and terrorists, I refer them to the movie Taken,” Rubio said on Saturday. “Have you seen the movie Taken? Liam Neeson. He had a line, and this is what our strategy should be: ‘We will look for you, we will find you, and we will kill you.’”

The attribution was nice, but it didn’t negate the underlying problem.

After 9/11, it wasn’t unusual in to hear prominent conservative officials recycle an old Reagan-era line to describe their ideal approach to national security: “We win, they lose.” It was over-simplistic in a tragic sort of way – rah-rah rhetoric may have been emotionally satisfying, but it was also hollow and meaningless.

Of course we want to see the U.S. win and our enemies lose, but it’s the responsibility of policymakers to approach these complex issues with some maturity and an appreciation for detail. How do we win? What does a win look like, exactly? What is the best way to ensure our foes’ defeat? At what cost?

The problem with Rubio using a movie catchphrase as the basis for a national-security vision is that it’s every bit as superficial. In fact, it’s arguably worse by tying these life-and-death issues to pop culture.

“We will look for you, we will find you, and we will kill you”? And how is that different from what we’re doing now? Where does Rubio intend to look that we’re not already looking? After Rubio finds the bad guys, how exactly does he intend to kill them? Are there limits? If so, what?

These are serious issues, not questions that can be answered with bravado and chest-thumping.

I imagine Rubio’s supporters will suggest the senator wasn’t actually articulating a serious thought, so much as he was just throwing out some red meat at a partisan event. A speech isn’t a white paper, and rhetoric shouldn’t be mistaken for his more serious, policy-focused thought.

It would be a more compelling defense if the Florida senator could actually point to serious, policy-focused thought – instead of persistent confusion about foreign policy. This is, after all, supposed to be Rubio’s signature issue, though in recent months, Florida’s young junior senator has repeatedly struggled with the basics of international affairs.

These problems haven’t improved since the GOP senator launched his presidential campaign. Just a few weeks ago, Rubio insisted, “We are the only nation that is not modernizing its nuclear weapons,” a claim that’s not even close to being true.

If the Republican White House hopeful routinely demonstrated genuine expertise on international affairs, it’d be easier to overlook some lazy rhetorical flourishes. But given how frequently Rubio is confused about national security, when he uses a movie catchphrase to dumb down an important issue, it’s a reminder that this is one national candidate who clearly needs a new signature issue.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/movie-catchphrase-not-foreign-policy


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Rubio is polling quite well against Clinton.


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The only qualifications I see in Rubio are that he is young, handsome, Hispanic ~ :ey ~ there are some "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Rubio’s controversial finances draw new scrutiny
06/30/15 10:21 AM
By Steve Benen

The last time a major news outlet took a closer look at Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) personal finances, it didn’t go especially well. The New York Times published this lengthy piece three weeks ago today, noting that Rubio has occasionally been “imprudent” when it comes to his personal spending.

The article had some interesting details, but it was widely panned. Rubio soon after used the article as the basis for a fundraiser, and even “The Daily Show” mocked the piece.

But to dismiss the area of inquiry altogether would be a mistake. In fact, the Washington Post has a new report on Rubio’s personal finances that moves the ball forward in some noteworthy ways.

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Marco Rubio was 28 when he was elected to the Florida legislature. He was about to become a father and was struggling to balance the financial demands of a growing family with his political aspirations.

About a year and a half after taking his seat in Florida’s part-time legislature, Rubio got a financial boost, accepting a job at the Miami law firm Becker & Poliakoff for $93,000 a year. Although Rubio was a lawyer by training, his colleagues quickly recognized the advantage of having a charismatic, high-energy politician in the office.

What emerges is an unflattering portrait. Rubio was a part-time lawmaker and part-time lawyer, but those lines became less clear when the Florida Republican was able to help his firm’s clients, many of whom were lobbying the state government in which the GOP lawmaker served.

The more Rubio “walked a narrow line between his work as a lawmaker and an employee of outside firms with interests before the state government,” the more money he was paid. His annual income went from $72,000 when he was elected to $414,000 eight years later, as his two-year term as state House Speaker ended.

The Post’s report added, “About 80 percent of his total income during his tenure in the state House came from Florida law firms that lobby state and local governments, according to a Washington Post analysis of state financial disclosure forms.”

As best as I can tell, no one has accused of Rubio of violating ethics rules. That said, stories like these don’t do the presidential candidate any favors – he had one foot in the legislature and another foot in firms lobbying the legislature. The more power and influence Rubio had in the public sector, the more money he received from the private sector.

Whether, and to what extent, voters may care about any of this remains to be seen, though the Romney campaign in 2012 reportedly had concerns about Rubio’s personal finances, which may give some insiders pause.

It doesn’t help that Rubio admitted to misusing a Republican Party credit card to purchase personal items – a mistake the Republican later acknowledged looked “bad,” though he repaid the money.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rubios-controversial-finances-draw-new-scrutiny


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It was a legit question ... and a VERY stupid answer ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Marco Rubio Said He Wants to Have a Beer With Malala, An Underage Muslim
What's next, a ham sandwich with Netanyahu?
By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet / November 4, 2015

Today, presidential contender Marco Rubio fielded questions at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire. One of the questions he was asked was who he would like to “have a beer with" out of anyone in the world who is not a politician.

Rubio replied he would like to have a beer with football legend Dan Marino, Russian chess prodigy Gary Kasparov and Malala Yousafzai.

The first two are acceptable answers. The third is odd, considering that Malala, the famed Pakistani girls' education activist, is both underage and Muslim. She is also a socialist, something Rubio probably doesn't approve of.

If Rubio is vying to be the president of the United States, he should probably try to avoid these sort of diplomatic faux pas, before he starts asking for a ham sandwich with Benjamin Netanyahu.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/marco-rubio-said-he-wants-have-beer-malala-underage-muslim


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Marco Rubio continues to prove his own sleaziness via being "bored" in the Senate, his obvious dishonesty, gaming the system from the inside, and his overt pandering to BIG $$$$$ ~ :g ~ Sooz

Marco Rubio on the defensive as his personal finances face renewed scrutiny
Sabrina Siddiqui, The Guardian / 04 Nov 2015 at 15:10 ET

Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio on Wednesday tried to dismiss attacks on his personal finances as “discredited” as opponents on both left and right cast new doubts over his use of an official Republican party credit card.

Rubio, on the campaign trail in New Hampshire, found himself facing fresh questions about the probity of his spending after the Tampa Bay Times highlighted his failure to make public all of his credit card statements from his time serving in the Florida state legislature.

Rubio has long been dogged by reports that he charged personal expenditures to an American Express credit card he received from the Republican party of Florida while serving as house speaker from 2006 to 2008. Rubio has maintained it was an honest mistake, and that he reimbursed the party with more than $16,000 to cover personal charges that included a $10,000 family vacation, a $10.50 movie ticket and a repair bill for a minivan.

The Florida newspaper said some of his credit card statements from the two-year period remained private. In response, Rubio said he will release those records “soon”, although it remains unclear what they might contain.

Rubio called the Times report “not accurate”, adding that each expense on the card was detailed in the state party’s official filings. “It doesn’t say who they belong to, but every expense is on there,” he said.

“The Republican party never paid a single expense of mine – personal expense,” Rubio said in an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America. “If there was a personal expense, I paid it. If it was a party expense, the party paid it. Now, I recognize in hindsight I would do it different to avoid all this confusion.”

The senator’s financial history has come under fresh scrutiny amid his bid for the White House, especially as Rubio has risen in the polls. His opponents on both sides have seized on the past credit card usage in recent weeks, with Republican frontrunner Donald Trump dubbing Rubio’s finances “a disaster” on Tuesday.

“He certainly lives above his means, there’s no question about that,” Trump told reporters at a press conference in New York.

The Democratic National Committee also accused Rubio of misleading the public on the charges in last week’s Republican presidential debate.

Rubio was asked during the debate how he would handle the nation’s finances if he couldn’t handle his own, to which the senator similarly defended himself against what he said were “discredited” attacks. He then pivoted to his humble upbringing to make the case that he understood what it was like to struggle with finances, a line he reiterated on Wednesday in a separate interview with Fox News.

“It will be good for this country to have a president that knows what it feels like to have your house lose its value because of irresponsible and reckless behavior by Fannie and Freddie [federal mortgage agencies], by the Federal Reserve,” Rubio said. “It would be good for this country to have a president that knows what it’s like to owe money in student loans like I once did.”

It nonetheless remains unlikely that the renewed attention surrounding Rubio’s spending will go away quickly. The issue was highlighted in a leaked PowerPoint presentation crafted by the campaign of Jeb Bush, Rubio’s former Florida ally, and shown to donors at a closed-door retreat last week – signaling that an onslaught could be yet to come.

Both Bush and Rubio were campaigning in New Hampshire on Wednesday, a week after they clashed in the last debate. Although Bush has continued to criticize Rubio over his voting record, he has not publicly gone after his finances and declined to wade into the issue when it was raised by reporters on Tuesday.

But in his campaign’s slideshow to donors, aides referred to Rubio as “a risky bet”. In addition to the state party credit card, the presentation also brought up his close ties to Norman Braman, a Florida-based billionaire who according to a New York Times report in May has acted as a personal and professional benefactor to Rubio.

Other reports in recent months could also serve as further ammunition to Rubio’s opponents.

The senator faced foreclosure on a house he once co-owned with David Rivera, a former Florida representative and close friend of Rubio’s who has been the subject of several allegations of corruption. He also liquidated a retirement account last year, incurring large penalties in the process, to pay for unexpected home repairs.

In his interview with Fox, Rubio said he was looking forward to debating the subject with Democrats as “someone who grew up paycheck-to-paycheck”.

“How’s [Hillary Clinton] going to say that I don’t understand the plight of people that are struggling in America when I myself – through my parents and our upbringing – lived it?” Rubio said. “So I am proud of where I come from. My parents weren’t rich people, but I am proud of what they left us with – which is the chance of a better life and we’ve been able to achieve that.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/marco-rubio-on-the-defensive-as-his-personal-finances-face-renewed-scrutiny/


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From my Facebook feed ~ I really LOVE when my own thoughts sync perfectly with Robert Reich's! ~ Sooz

Robert Reich wrote:
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Marco Rubio is now busily defending his use of an American Express card issued to him by the Republican Party of Florida when he served in the state’s legislature. It was supposed to cover political expenses but Rubio used it in 2007 and 2008 to cover everything from movie tickets to a four-day $10,000 family reunion, according to the Miami Herald and Tampa Bay Times. “It wasn’t a credit card,” Rubio explained yesterday, “it was an American Express charge card secured under my personal credit in conjunction with the party.” Huh?

Frankly, I care less what kind of credit card Rubio had nine years ago than that this year and last he’s missed more than half the votes he’s supposed to take in the Senate, with the explanation they’re “unimportant.” And that his positions on a woman’s right to choose abortion, equal pay, gay marriage, corporate taxes, climate change, defense spending, the minimum wage, and immigration are all to the right of Attila the Hun.

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sooz06 wrote:
From my Facebook feed ~ I really LOVE when my own thoughts sync perfectly with Robert Reich's! ~ Sooz

Robert Reich wrote:
Robert Reich
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Marco Rubio is now busily defending his use of an American Express card issued to him by the Republican Party of Florida when he served in the state’s legislature. It was supposed to cover political expenses but Rubio used it in 2007 and 2008 to cover everything from movie tickets to a four-day $10,000 family reunion, according to the Miami Herald and Tampa Bay Times. “It wasn’t a credit card,” Rubio explained yesterday, “it was an American Express charge card secured under my personal credit in conjunction with the party.” Huh?

Frankly, I care less what kind of credit card Rubio had nine years ago than that this year and last he’s missed more than half the votes he’s supposed to take in the Senate, with the explanation they’re “unimportant.” And that his positions on a woman’s right to choose abortion, equal pay, gay marriage, corporate taxes, climate change, defense spending, the minimum wage, and immigration are all to the right of Attila the Hun.

What do you think?


Reich is right. The credit card thing is a scandal in a tea cup as long as he paid the personal bills or if the Florida Republicans were content to eat his personal spending. His other positions are the ones people should be concentrating on. What gets me is how little traction his lies about his background have gained.

He claims his parents were driven out of Cuba in 1953 by Castro. When he's called on that b.s. by pointing out Castro didn't take power until 1958 he claims what he meant was that his parents couldn't return to Cuba in 1963. Exactly how saying his parents didn't want to remain in America helps his cause, I don't know. (Makes me wonder what his position on refugees is.)


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Rubio is solidly in 3rd right now, but 15% behind Trump and Carson.


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Simon Maloy nails this commentary ~ Rubio keeps proving his own "flexible" ethics ~ but the key word for me is "corruptible" ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Thursday, Nov 5, 2015 9:57 PM UTC
We’re missing the real Marco Rubio scandal: The problem isn’t his financial trouble, it’s that he’s a corruptible sneak
Focusing on Rubio's poor money management obscures the much larger problems with his finances and policy record.
Simon Maloy

Now that Marco Rubio has vaulted himself into a front-running distant third place in the poll for the 2016 Republican nomination, he’s starting to come under harsher scrutiny from the press and his opponents in the GOP field. For the moment, the focal point of that criticism is Rubio’s personal finances, as the New York Times reported this morning:

A decade after he began using a Republican Party credit card for personal purchases like paving stones at his home, Senator Marco Rubio on Wednesday pledged to disclose new spending records from that account as he sought to inoculate himself against what could be his biggest liability as a presidential candidate: how he manages his finances.

The paper goes on to note that Rubio’s fellow aspirants for the Republican nomination “are rushing to resurrect the matter in an attempt to portray him as a careless money manager.” Donald Trump is “suggesting that the senator struggled to live within his means,” the Times writes, adding that the “risk” for Rubio is that this credit card issue “may become a symbol of a larger pattern of financial challenges in his recent past.”

Come on. The problem revealed by Rubio’s shady history with state party credit cards isn’t that Rubio is bad at “managing his finances” – it’s that he’s a weasel who cashed in on his position of (limited) authority. The image of Rubio as a poor money manager with massive debt isn’t as damaging as his opponents and the press might think. Pretty much everyone in the country has trouble handling debt, and far too many people are carrying way too high a balance on their credit cards. Framing it in these terms just allows Rubio to make the point that he’s not wealthy and he copes with the same financial difficulties as everyone else. The damning part of all this is that he abused resources made available to him as Speaker. I’m not especially bothered that Rubio can’t balance his checkbook, but I do care that he’s a corruptible sneak.

(However, if reporters and Rubio’s opponents are looking for a way to make his personal financial troubles relevant, try bringing them up the next time Rubio justifies a balanced budget amendment by saying the government must balance its books just like American families do.)

But that’s still not Rubio’s “biggest liability as a presidential candidate.” I tend to think it’s a little more significant that much of Rubio’s policy platform is based on lies and discredited economic theories. Just today he released his plan for exploding the military budget well beyond its current levels as part of his neoconservative foreign policy vision to pick fights and spread freedom at gunpoint. He’s going to provoke international conflicts and preside over a vast expansion of defense spending while also blowing a hole in the budget by slashing tax rates, eliminating taxes on investments, and creating new tax credits for the middle class. The last Republican president implemented a more modest version of this policy agenda, and the results – intractable military quagmires, exploding inequality, huge deficits – left him so widely reviled that he put himself in political exile, where he remains to this day.

And, of course, Rubio is still moving to the right on immigration in an attempt to mollify conservatives who disowned him for his past heresies on “amnesty.” He’s running to be the nominee of a party in desperate need of support from minority voters, and to secure that nomination he’s inching closer and closer to the immigration position of the party’s nativist wing. Seems like a pretty serious problem!

So if you want to focus on Rubio’s credit card shenanigans and his past life as a small-time charlatan, go right ahead. Just don’t do him the favor of believing that’s his biggest weakness as a would-be president.

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Marco Rubio is a good example of the Peter Principle: people rise to the level of their own incompetency ~ he is tooooo beholden to big $$$ interests ~ just adding those 2 observations together [and there are more], he scares me ~ :g ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Here are 10 reasons why Marco Rubio is the most dangerous Republican in the race
Sarah K. Burris / 16 Nov 2015 at 14:24 ET

With a successful few debates under his belt and the republican establishment desperate for a replacement for Jeb Bush, it seems like Rubio is stacking up to be the new golden boy. Only, there is nothing golden about Marco Rubio. Here are 10 reasons he is the most dangerous candidate in the race for president:

1. Marco Rubio is the new lapdog of Wall Street

The last thing we need is another president who will let Wall Street run amok of our economy. Rubio voted four times to repeal Dodd-Frank and is against capping all those fees on credit cards that make banks so much cash. He opposes monitoring foreigners who deposit large sums of money into American banks. And if that isn’t enough his most recent hedge fund billionaire backer, Paul Singer, is very well known for his money coming with strings attached. No one wants a president who is owned by someone.

2. Rubio thinks there should be a hold on all Syrian refugees after the Paris attacks

So incredibly short sighted. Families are fleeing the brutality of ISIS every day to any country that will have them. Denying them safety and hope does a great disservice to the world and to humanity. The attacks on Paris were horrible and we mourn the loss as a global community, but assuming they are all terrorists and turning our backs on them in their time of need isn’t right and it isn’t just. This is not who we should want America to be.

3. Rubio tried to gin up a class war between welders and philosophers

“Welders make more money than philosophers,” Rubio claimed during the GOP debate. “We need more welders than philosophers.” First of all, Rubio is showing his ignorance on the value of a 4-year Bachelors or Masters degree. Second, it would be nice if you’re going to be president of the United States you represent both philosophers and welders. Both are great artists, one of craft and one of thought, and each has a different contribution to make. It isn’t very mature to attempt to pit them against each other out of your own ignorance.

4. Misuse of funds and Rubio’s financial woes

Until President Obama’s autobiography became a best seller both he and his wife Michelle were in tremendous amounts of debt from their college and law school educations. Like many students, they did what they could plugging along. Rubio is no different in his own struggles to pay for his education, however, his debt extends far beyond the student loans he claims dominate his debt. Lavish spending to maintain a lifestyle to which the Senator cannot afford is hardly a quality we need in a leader. Did Rubio expect that his mountain of credit card debt for treasures including a $10,000 family vacation would somehow trickle down? The fact that he (allegedly) did it on a credit card that didn’t belong to him makes it worse. How can you claim to be fiscally responsible when this is your financial reality?

5. He doesn’t show up

As his hometown newspaper explained, Senator Rubio is being paid $174,000 of taxpayer money for a job that he is not doing. This year, Rubio has missed nearly one-third of his Senate votes. Even former Governor Jeb Bush blasted Rubio during the debate, for which Rubio had no excuse. How can you hold strong opinions on issues and not even show up for the votes or the hearings?

6. Rubio has a very low opinion of women’s intelligence and thinks we are greedy monsters

“You’ve created an incentive for people not just to look forward to having more abortions, but being able to sell that fetal tissue for purposes—these centers—for purposes of making a profit off it…” Rubio said.

The contempt and disgust that Rubio must hold women to think that they find pleasure in having to make such a personal decision. Women deserve much more respect than that. As if that isn’t enough, Rubio plans to extend his lack of respect and privacy for women at home to countries around the globe. He called the historic Roe v. Wade decision “historically and egregiously flawed” and went on to say that he would fight to restrict women’s right to choose “at home and around the world.”

7. Fundraising at Hitler House

The old fable from Aesop is true: You are known by the company you keep. A Texas real estate tycoon enjoys spending his fortune on Hitler and Nazi memorabilia. While we all find it in poor taste, indeed disgusting, it is his right to give money for that which he considers “artwork.” But the fact that Rubio held a fundraiser there on the sacred Jewish holiday Yom Kippur of all days is more telling of him than it is of his Texas friend. Shameful.

8. Rubio believes same-sex marriage is “a real and present danger” to the survival of Christianity

If an entire religion made up of 2.2 billion people can be shaken by two people joining their lives through a contract for legal and tax purposes, then the faith was in trouble long before that or, conversely, he’s making it up.

“If you think about it, we are at the water’s edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech,” Rubio explained to Christian Broadcast News’s David Brody. If you are preaching hate speech, you are neither mainstream, nor Christian, and therein lies the religious right’s predicament.

9. Rubio thinks Iraq was not a mistake

You’ve heard the saying that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it? Under a Rubio administration, we could very well end up in another Iraq-like war. There is no reason to go into a country on flawed intelligence simply because your advisers have to settle an old score. There are plenty of young leaders who hold great knowledge and wisdom, Rubio is not one.

10. We are not the world’s police, but Rubio thinks we should intervene more

I said in the assertion above that under a Rubio administration we could very easily end up in another Iraq-like war because he refuses to learn from the mistakes. The likelihood is even higher knowing that Rubio thinks the U.S. should be involved in more conflicts. An entire generation is now smaller and carries greater wounds because of the mistakes from which Rubio refuses to learn. The last thing we need is a leader in the White House who can’t figure it out.

Only a year out and already we have a number of examples that should concern any American about a Rubio presidency. There will likely be more to come.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/here-are-10-reasons-why-marco-rubio-is-the-most-dangerous-republican-in-the-race/


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Happy to see others are noting that the "waiting-in-the-wings savior" has a halo that is tipping at a dangerous angle ~ Rubio is another GOP/TPer fraud ~ :ey ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Rubio’s principal talking point starts to crumble
12/23/15 04:11 PM—Updated 12/23/15 04:13 PM
By Steve Benen

One of the more dramatic flaws in Marco Rubio’s presidential candidacy is a brutal contradiction: he’s a career politician, winning six elections before his 41st birthday, with no real accomplishments to his name.

In the enormous Republican field, voters can choose between established, experienced candidates who’ve done things in public office (Kasich, Bush) or insurgent outsiders with non-governmental records (Trump, Carson), but Rubio is burdened with the worst of both worlds, winning several elections without having done much in the way of meaningful work.

It’s a point about which the Florida senator appears increasingly sensitive. In fact, in October, Rubio tried to take credit for others’ work during his tenure in the state legislature. This week, Rubio’s begun telling voters that he actually has a major federal accomplishment – he helped undermine the American health care system – and his allied super PAC is pushing the line in a commercial:

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“On Obamacare, some Republicans gave up. Some talked tough but got nowhere. For all the Republican talk about dismantling the Affordable Care Act, one Republican hopeful has actually done something.”

For some GOP voters and much of the media, this seems compelling – Rubio hasn’t just spun his wheels for five years on Capitol Hill; when he’s bothered to show up for work, he invested real time and energy into interfering with families’ access to medical care.

There are, however, two important flaws in the pitch. The first, of course, is the fact that deliberately trying to undermine the American health care system is not an accomplishment upon which to build a presidential campaign.

The second, as the Washington Post explained today, is that Rubio didn’t do what he claims to have done.

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Success always has many fathers, but Rubio goes way too far in claiming credit here. He raised initial concerns about the risk-corridor provision, but the winning legislative strategy was executed by other lawmakers.

The irony is, Rubio has recently tried to take credit for others’ work as a way of differentiating himself from President Obama. “I’m not like that other one-term senator who ran for president,” the Florida Republican has effectively argued, “because I’ve gotten things done in Congress.”

It’s not just a lazy lie; it’s actually the exact opposite of reality.

As we discussed a few months ago, Obama put far more effort into his congressional career than Rubio, and as a result, he had more success. As a senator, Obama developed a reputation as a work horse, being well prepared for briefings and hearings, introducing a lot of bills, and developing an expertise on serious issues like counter-proliferation.

There’s a great story from 2005 in which the Senate Foreign Relations Committee held a day-long hearing on U.S. policy in Iraq, and then-Chairman Dick Lugar (R-Ind.) praised Obama for being the only other senator who was on hand for the entire thing, start to finish. As Salon’s Simon Maloy noted, “It was minor stuff, but it gave Obama a reputation as someone who was willing to do the basic work needed to get things done.”

Rubio has never developed that kind of reputation among his colleagues. On the contrary, he’s seen as a senator who misses a lot of votes, skips a lot of hearings, and fails to show up for a lot of briefings.

Eight years ago, there was a talking point that made the rounds in GOP circles when going after then-candidate Obama: he’d never run a city; he’d never run a state; and he’d never run a business. The trouble is, the exact same talking point can be applied to Rubio, and can even be made a little worse: he’s never built up a legislative record, either.

It’s not fair to say Rubio never passed a bill, but it’s awfully close. According to congress.gov, the far-right Floridian, over the course of five years, took the lead in sponsoring a measure that was signed into law. It’s called the “Girls Count Act,” and it encourages developing countries to register girls’ births. There’s certainly nothing wrong with the policy, but it was a largely symbolic measure that passed both chambers without so much as a vote.

He also helped name September as National Spinal Cord Injury Awareness Month.

That’s about it.

If Rubio and his allied super PAC find that embarrassing, they should probably try to change the subject – because deceptive claims and taking credit for others’ work isn’t generally a recipe for an improved presidential campaign.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rubios-principal-talking-point-starts-crumble


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i think he might be finished. he was moving up in the polls for a while, but he is now behind Cruz by 7% and has no momentum at all.


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