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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/16/08 1:16 pm • # 1 
Here's a glimpse of what life is like for people in the capital city of Baghdad, since we did the Iraqis the favor of invading their country:

Viewpoint: Bad case of Baghdadophobia

Here's an interesting new disorder for medical science to investigate: Baghdadophobia - an Iraqi's fear of his own capital city.

Other phobias are common enough - fear of flying, fear of spiders - but Baghdadophobia has reached pandemic proportions, afflicting virtually every Iraqi, including the writer of these lines. And I think my fear is justified.

I start my day by taking a bath and praying. I listen to the news while I have my breakfast, then I get dressed for work, and always kiss my wife and my children before leaving the house - everyone here does the same these days, because everyone knows when they leave home that they may not return.

Death lurks around every corner, and nobody is immune. Almost all the victims are innocent bystanders who wrongly think that because they aren't in the government or military their chances of survival are greater.

So we steer clear of areas that are out-of-bounds because of our ethnicity or religion. We don't express opinions in public beyond criticising our wives' cooking or the nosiness of our mothers-in-law.

Leaving the house, the first thing I do is check beneath my car and the inside, in case someone stuck a magnetic bomb underneath it - an easy-to-use weapon used frequently in Iraq lately.

I start the engine and drive off, and the whole road seems fraught with danger. Was that my neighbour's car that just set off behind me? No. Who does it belong to? Am I being followed? Maybe I should slow down or pull over, just in case.

Thank God, the driver passes by, continuing his journey until he's out of sight, probably as afraid of me as I was of him. I start driving again.

The road is very busy, bumper to bumper. Suddenly, a convoy of four-wheel-drive vehicles - the kind used by Iraqi officials - swerves madly through the traffic, sirens blaring, and a voice from a loudspeaker telling drivers to get out of the way.

Automatic weapons bristle from the jeep windows. Everyone panics, the road is total chaos until the convoy disappears.

Before long, I'm stuck in a traffic jam stretching for more than a kilometre. It moves just a few metres at a time, backed up from the entrance to a bridge across the Tigris that I have to cross daily to get to work.

Iraqi soldiers scan the waiting vehicles with an explosives detection device that looks like a weapon used by aliens in low-budget sci-fi films.

I'm still in the back of the traffic jam. I'm trying to kill time by studying the faces of other drivers.

This driver beside me looks a lot like my mental image of a suicide bomber: long beard, nervous glances. But the truth is no-one knows what a suicide bomber looks like today - he could be an old man or a woman. Or he could be driving a wired-up car with a woman and a child on board just for camouflage.

The driver of that luxury car seems to be a government official. It may be safer to stay as far away as possible from him.

Someone might have put a bomb in his car which he is not aware of and it could explode at any minute. I recall that many government officials have been assassinated this way recently.

That truck over there, with "highly flammable material" written on it… What a disaster if it were to explode!

The driver behind me is becoming increasingly impatient; he's started blowing his car horn in a desperate attempt to get the attention of the traffic policemen who are only making things worse.

Sometimes we can't hide our feelings. But we've learned to hide our fear in public - we pretend to be braver than we are, so that people don't make fun of us.

But I am certain that everyone here, in this traffic jam from hell, is to some extent, afraid, just like me.

In just the blink of an eye, my whole life will have ended for nothing. Hot shrapnel will hit me, I suppose, and I wonder if I will even hear the explosion. I wonder what it would be like for bullets to tear through my body.

Every day this is how the living imagine the way in which they will die. And being blown up is only one of a long, long list.

Suddenly, my car shakes as there is a horrible blast somewhere else in the city. I wonder if the victims of that explosion had the same thoughts as mine. Did they imagine that they might die today? Did they have a chance to say goodbye to their families?

LONG, TERRIFYING JOURNEY

I think of the other threats to the commuter in downtown Baghdad. A box, a trash bin, an animal cart parked on the side of the road, a mentally ill person crossing the street, or even a stray dog, every one of these could have been wired with a bomb waiting to explode spontaneously or by a remote control.

Everything is unknown, everything is anonymous - the killer, the victim, and the means of the murder.

That broken-down car, why is it parked here? Where is the owner of that motorcycle? God knows how much I fear motorbikes, especially the fast ones, with two riders.

One of them drives the motorbike and the other one fires from a pistol equipped with a silencer.

The memory of the remains of the university professor assassinated by shots to the head in precisely this way will never leave me.

And it's not just our own killers we have to be careful of.

I fear that my children will be orphaned when a US military convoy passes by.

A US convoy is one of the most terrifying things you can run in to on the streets of Baghdad today.

The driver next to me acted selfishly, not allowing me to get out of the way of the convoy. The convoy guards have a reputation for not hesitating one second before shooting at anything in their way.

In peace time, my journey to work would take 15 minutes. Today, it takes an hour and a half. Once I'm at the office, I start the day with a cup of heavy black coffee. And two aspirin.



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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/17/08 5:31 am • # 2 
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I read this the first time shortly after Fluffy posted it ~ it was difficult to read, and I had to think about any reply I would make ~ I have just re-read the op ~ and it was equally, if not more, difficult to read the second time ~ "everyday people" are ALWAYS the ones to pay for the decisions of the governmental or tribal hierarchy ~ it's our young people who are paying the price with death and, for the "lucky", forever altered lives for decisions made by egotistical, arrogant hawks ~ it's not remotely surprising to me that "everyday Iraqis" are subject to the same ~ not remotely surprising, but deeply saddening ~ war can, and usually does, do unspeakable horrors to the psyches of men, women, and children ~ "collateral damage" includes civilian traumas as well as civilian deaths ~ and the traumas suffered by each and every person affected, no matter on what side, can take a life-time [or more] to tame ~ I recognize there ARE, and likely always will be, legitimate reasons for war ~ but ego and arrogance will NEVER be legitimate reasons ~ will we EVER learn that killing and maiming each other is not the answer?

Sooz


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PostPosted: 12/28/08 3:49 am • # 3 
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BUMP ~ in the hopes that Fluffy will c/p her excellent response in CEII to her thread here ~

Sooz


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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/28/08 4:37 am • # 4 
Sooz, you never have to ask my permission to copy and post anything I write. Just do it if you want... lol.

My response in CEII doesn't make a lot of sense here because there's nobody to argue with! Anyway, thank you for compliment, very much and I'll place that post here in a more generic form. Obviously, I'm getting really sick of a few people over there.

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The damage to the infrastructure began in the first Gulf War, and the years of sanctions and then further damage caused by the current war are what has left the country's economy and infrastructure in ruins. The U.S. puposely bombed and destroyed the country's water and sewage systems and electricity grids. HAVE YOU GOT THAT PART??
Contrary to what gung-ho war supporters believe, the people of Iraq previously enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the entire Middle East. Their health care and education systems were also ranked among the best in the region. Before the first Gulf War, Iraq had 1,800 health care facilities, with their best doctors having been trained in Europe and the United States.
The assumption that Iraq wasn't allowed "technological advances" would also be incorrect (I've read this fallacy on so many sites). The higher education standard in Iraq, especially in the scientific and technological institutions, was right up there with the rest of the world.
It is not the mission of "the coalition troops" to provide the Iraqis with water and electricity, they are there for purposes of security and political transition. The job of reconstruction falls mainly to the private businesses who won no-bid contracts, took billions of U.S. taxpayer money and did a piss-poor job. They have built health care facilities that were immediately condemned, they couldn't even be opened for business because they were so shitty. The case was the same with many schools.
Before the war, over 95% of people living in urban areas and 78% of those in rural areas had water and electricity. As of 2005, although 98% of Iraqi households were connected to the electrical grid, 78% of them experienced instability in the service and only 54% of households nationwide had access to a safe and stable supply of drinking water. Not much progress has been made since.
Infant mortality rates have risen since Saddam was power. Infant and childhood vaccinations are no longer widely available, as they were prior to the war, due to the deliberate destruction of refrigeration systems needed to store medicines. This also is the cause for other remedies, such as antibiotics, not being readily available -- remedies that we take for granted, but the lack of which can mean the difference between life and death.
For the most part, study after study has shown that the people in Iraq were, overall, in better shape under Saddam's rule than they are now. No, I'm not telling you this because I hate our troops (which seems to be the immediate conclusion of those that support the war vs. those of us who don't)... I'm not laying this at their feet, so spare me you're indignation over people not recognizing any of the good that may have come of our invasion.
Its only certain morons that seem to think that the fact that Saddam is no longer in power is good enough reason for us to have invaded Iraq. Are you aware that invading another country for the purpose of militarily removing their government from power is an illegal act of aggression and against international law?? Did you know that this is why the Bush administration had to lie to all of us, and the rest of the world, about WMD?
This administration doesn't care about spreading democracy to Iraq, or liberating the people of Iraq, or even improving living conditions for the people of Iraq -- living conditions that are poor as a result of our own actions. The one and only reason for invading Iraq was to privatize that country's oil reserves. The sooner you come to grips with that fact, the better off you'll be. Until then, good luck in your delusional world.


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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/28/08 9:37 am • # 5 
I supported the first gulf war although we have found since then that some of the things we had heard were lies. At that time, we did have a solid coalition. Iraq had invaded Kuwait. That was the time to remove Sadam for the atrocities he had committed. Many more died after that because we didn't and our own kids are dying now because we didn't. We did destroy a lot in the first gulf war. It's my understanding that Sadam did nothing to rebuild in most areas. I support the Kurds and want them to have their own country. Sadam slaughtered many.

I have never supported this second war. Our work was in Afghanistan. We drew terrorists into Iraq that had had no safe haven there before. We underestimated some Iraqis' desire to not be controlled by another country. The people of Iraq needed to fight for themselves. They still do. Our kids should not die and be maimed for a people unwilling to fight for their own freedom from a sadistic dictator. Sadam was not a good man. Many things were better under his rule as they have been in other countries under dictators. The question would be can you really enjoy those things when you live in fear?


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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/28/08 11:18 am • # 6 
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Many things were better under his rule as they have been in other countries under dictators. The question would be can you really enjoy those things when you live in fear?

Katy I think I get what you mean.... I'm just pointing out that we've created a new kind of fear there.


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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/28/08 2:00 pm • # 7 

Right. The thing we need to do is pull out as quickly and carefully as possible and let the people of Iraq make their own kind of country. The problem I see is they have had the battles amongst themselves for a very long time. If those continue, they will always live in fear, but it will be fear of their own making. Much of the violence after our invasion was the different groups fighting each other and slaughtering each other. Much of the fear with us there, is not knowing who to support. It has always been there, but Sadam controlled it with his own kind of fear. Now it boils up again. At some point it had to. I feel for the regular people in Iraq. They do have an option as they did under Sadam. Fight for your rights. Regardless of why our govt sent troops over there, the troops are fighting for the freedom of those people. If it's worth lives and limbs to our kids, why isn't it worth the lives and limbs of the regular Iraqi people. Frankly, I say since they don't seem to feel it's worth it, I sure as hell don't want our kids giving their lives and limbs.

Fluffy, I have a question. Do you think those people will be without fear after we've left? When there are no more convoys to fear.

Maybe I'm having a dense moment, but I can't find where it says whose viewpoint that article is presenting. I don't believe it all. I think much is exaggeration.



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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/28/08 2:07 pm • # 8 
I think the deal with me is, I'm wondering which is the most realistic thing to fear in Baghdad, being shot by someone in our convoys, or being blown up by one of your own suicide bombers.


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 Post subject: Baghdadophobia
PostPosted: 12/28/08 10:34 pm • # 9 
I keep thinking about this. It seems to me we're being blamed for all of it. Sadam's own guard, military and police were as brutal and corrupt as any in the world. Could the man who wrote the viewpoint speak his mind under Sadam's rule? Seems to me anyone who did was killed. Sadam's sons were sadistic beyond belief. If I remember right when Sadam's life was threatened in a small town, the whole town was wiped out including elderly women and children. Kurds were gassed. They invaded Kuwait. Did the good people of Iraq do anything to prevent that? Are the Iraqi's not capable of building their own schools and hospitals? Or is it that they expect US to? Yes, the no bid contracts suck and there is no accountability. The Iraqis can't even keep the oil pipelines from being blown up. Why? Because Iraqis are the ones blowing them up. The Iraqis had an election. They have a government. Why is their government not responsible for any of the things still going on? Why doesn't their government just kick us out if we are terrorizing their people? The answer is, when we leave they won't have anyone but themselves to blame for things not happening. In both wars Iraqis have bombed their own pipelines. Lots of the infrastructure damage remains because Sadam never fixed it.

I didn't want us invading Iraq but our troops are there. The troops have their motivations which are nothing near what our govt's true motivations were. The troops are there to bring freedom and to help us. That's their job. They are there, there is war, if they get shot at they shoot back. If people let insurgents use their homes there will be problems. How about the people fight the insurgents? Keep them away from the innocents. If our kids hesitate, they die.

We were lied to. Yes. Bush's motivation was oil and to make up for daddy's fuck up and to get Sadam for threatening daddy. We invaded because the Congress was cowardly and gave up their powers to declare war. Halliburton and others are getting rich off the war. That's all true. However, our kids are there. There is a war. There is no on off button. I would like to see evidence that our convoys just shoot if there is a traffic jam. If there's a car that won't stop and our troops don't fire and stop it they may be killed. As in Nam, women and children are being used to carry bombs. Insurgents and terrorists use houses with families. They do the same in gaza and in Lebanon. We get fired at , we fire back. Does that make us the evil ones? There have been atrocities as there are in any war. They are few in number and done by few. To state things as if all our troops do such things is simply wrong.

During the first gulf war we did use our technology to wipe out their infrastructure. That's what you do. To prevent overwhelming deaths you try to cripple them quickly. It worked. They attacked Kuwait first. Were we to just let that go? The thing we did wrong in the first gulf war, as I said, was not taking Sadam out of power to be put on trial for the people he slaughtered.

I have a question for Mr Baghdadaphobia. What the hell has HE done to make things better? He wants to carry on a peaceful life while our kids are dying and being maimed trying to get the people who want to hurt him? Let him volunteer to fight the rebels, and let our kids come home. Otherwise he might consider stopping the whining. There are parents here who love their kids and wish they could go home to them each day, too. There are orphans here because dad and/or mom died fighting in a far away place. There are mothers and wive's who get to spend the rest of their lives caring for a person who lost most of their brains. Why is his fear of what might happen any worse? Why should I care if he doesn't care enough to fight himself? We enabled them to have free elections. We gave them time to train. They don't care enough to do it. Yeah, we should not have gone there, but what has happened since is not all our doing. Don't whine about lack of a hospital. Build one. Instead of getting weapons from countries like Iran, get the things needed to build your schools and fix the water and electricity. You have your damn government, too. We are there for support right now. So do something and stop blaming us. And, please, please, please kick us out of your country.


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PostPosted: 12/29/08 4:09 am • # 10 
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Truly EXCELLENT post, Katy ~ what I find so totally horrifyingly stupid on the part of our government is the [alleged] "fact" that if WE paid the human and financial price to put freedom and democracy in place, the Iraqis will maintain it ~ we have seen NO evidence that the Iraqi people are hungering for our brand of freedom and democracy to even the most base degree of being willing to fight for themselves ~ early on, Colin Powell bluntly said "if we break it, we buy it" ~ we were lied into this war via faulty [read "faulty" as manipulated] intelligence ~ we have poured thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of American dollars into a country that is likely to revert to the commonality of the ME mindset as soon as US troops leave ~ it's the stuff of long-lived nightmares ~

Sooz



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