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PostPosted: 01/06/09 10:32 am • # 1 
There was something posted on another board that made me want to ask this.

Who was responsible for 9/11?

Did/do we have the right to get all those responsible?

Did/do we have a right to pursue Osama until we get him?


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PostPosted: 01/06/09 5:11 pm • # 2 
We should have gotten Osama years ago. Instead we invaded Iraq. Bush got Saddam's pistol. A nice Makarov. Only 4000 Americans had to die so he could have it.

Of course we got nearly 60,000 killed so that Thieu could stay in power. Now we buy baseball caps made in VN.


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PostPosted: 01/06/09 5:13 pm • # 3 
Did/do we have the right to get all those responsible?

Are dead kids in Iraq responsible?


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PostPosted: 01/06/09 5:58 pm • # 4 
Would you possibly consider answering the questions? Where did I ask anything about Iraq? and what does Nam have to do with it?

Ok, let's get this out of the way. Your assumptions are crapping up the thread. I was opposed to us going into Iraq this time from the start. I hate Bush and always have. I hated him before he was even governor of Texas. He's a coward and a cowboy wannabe. He did Iraq because he wanted to, not because they had anything to do with 9/11. The cowards in Congress allowed it. Our brave kids have been killed and maimed and many inncoents have been killed needlessly because of his actions. We are no safer because of his actions, quite the opposite. He should have been impeached for trashing our Constitution. He took Afghanistan in the wrong direction, Instead of pursuing Osama he stopped that and went on this democracy making trek that has only gotten our people and innocents killed and not come close to getting Osama or making a democracy. He has kissed the asses of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan who do produce support and give safe haven to the people responsible for 9/11. He is a joke, a deadly joke and he should pay for what he has done.

Now can we get to the questions? Because you and the author both mentioned US/Iraq and US/ Afghanistan I was curious as to whether you think we should not have gone into Afghanistan at all, even to pursue Osama. (Yes, we should never have created the monster Osama), but that's not the question. It made me wonder whether you think 9/11 was our own fault because the country "should not be supporting Israel and the Arabs are rightfully mad at us for it". It made me wonder whether you think we have a right to go into Pakistan to get Osama.

Those were the questions. That was what you said was questioning your patriotism.

If you would get off your high horse and stop being so damn defensive we could get into a good discussion about why we play kissy with communist countries including Nam where our blood was lost and China, but can't even talk to Cuba.


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PostPosted: 01/07/09 7:10 am • # 5 

Sammy, you seem to have a persecution complex.

I answered the way I wanted to answer. We stopped chasing Bin Laden and sent the Special Forces that were on his heels to Iraq to reconnoiter for the invasion.

I'll answer your lame questions, if that makes you happy.

Who was responsible for 9/11?

19 people. Mostly Egyptians and Saudis. Those who planned it and funded it are also responsible. If you have their names, give them to the NSA.

We've killed a lot of people who had nothing to do with it and used it as an excuse to invade both Iraq and Afghanistan. That's why we've killed kids in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You're right about Pakistan. Before we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, almost all terrorists with training in explosives got it in Pakistan. The Pakistani's are selling nuclear weapons technology, also. We supported them.

Now can we get to the questions? Because you and the author both mentioned US/Iraq and US/ Afghanistan I was curious as to whether you think we should not have gone into Afghanistan at all, even to pursue Osama.

You have a controlling nature. It's wasted on me.

We should have tried to put a bullet in Bin Laden's head. Instead we invaded a country that has never actually been defeated and held by any of the major empires. We did it because we wanted vengeance. Bush never had any interest in capturing Bin Laden. If he had captured him, Americans would have seen the problem as solved and they wouldn't have been able to be manipulated into the Iraq invasion.

I think we should be sending people to kill the bad guys. We should be paying huge sums to people around them to kill them. We shouldn't be sending our military. There is something odd about saying we don't believe in going after bad guys and basically murdering them. We think it's better to sound the bugle's and beat the drums, while our kids march to war. I think that's wrong and gets us nothing but dead and damaged kids.

It made me wonder whether you think 9/11 was our own fault because the country "should not be supporting Israel and the Arabs are rightfully mad at us for it".

911 is the fault of those who planned it and carried it out.

Most of our middle east problems revolve around our support for Israel. It's not only the middle east but most of the muslim world that mistrusts both our intentions and our government in general. There are around a billion of them. Do you want to fight them all if that is what it takes to support Israel?

Those were the questions. That was what you said was questioning your patriotism.

You could have said that right at the beginning, but you wanted to seem mysterious. I don't trust your intentions and I'm not inclined to believe a word you say to me.

If you would get off your high horse and stop being so damn defensive we could get into a good discussion about why we play kissy with communist countries including Nam where our blood was lost and China, but can't even talk to Cuba.

I'm not defensive. You are.

We had no reason to invade Vietnam in the first place. Other than that, I'm not interested in discussing it with you.

You seem to think the answer to everything is violence. I don't agree.

Sometimes leaning your chin into a left hook isn't the best course of action.

We should save invasions for countries that actually pose a serious threat to us. Not countries that we fear are going to swim the ocean on camels, or paddle sampans to American and conquer us.

You do seem to be a dupe for 'colonial thinking'.


















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PostPosted: 01/07/09 9:14 am • # 6 

Thack, Thack, Thack. There you are stating what you think my views are when I haven't even said what they are. Pretty idiotic since you are wrong.

I didn't even think about being mysterious. I was saying I would start another thread to ask some questions. There's nothing lame about the questions.

I'm sure you've heard people who said WE are responsible for 9/11. I wanted to see if you were one of those (it would have surprised me). You're not and in fact we agree on who's responsible. Simple really but there are people who blame everyone but those who did it.

I agree totally about getting the bad guys and not sending our kids in to die. Bush did everything wrong and never even tried to get Osama. We do have the ability to find people to kill people like Osama with no deaths of innocents and our kids. Sometimes I believe it is necessary to do that. What I couldn't figure out in the Bush Admin is why the thought always became public knowledge. We shouldn't be debating in public about operations like that. Just do it.

Thin skinned again. Controlling? I really wanted your answers to the questions. Thank you for giving them finally. Your bringing up Iraq means nothing to me. I agree, we shouldn't have gone in and kids have died, theirs and ours, because of it.

I don't want to fight all the Muslims. Just the terrorists. They can hate us and Israel all they want. If they act on that hatred, yeah I want them.

I don't care whether you trust me or not. Go ahead, Mr wimpy and think I questioned your patriotism. It makes me laugh that you are so paranoid and so full of your idiotic assumptions that that would even occur to you. Poor baby. I made a simple statement about questions and you turned it into a monster even after I posted the questions on another thread. Sad really and sadder yet that you feel the need to defend yourself to a man you don't even like or trust.

You're not defensive? That's funny. Anyone can go read you're little fit......no I'm patriotic, see what I did..........I was embarrassed for you and very sad that you did that. You're a vet and should be better than that.

Maybe I have some colonial thinking because I think we should get those that pose a real threat to us AND I think we should be ready to move in to stop the genocide in countries like the Congo, Rwanda etc. I think as part of a UN force we should go in to stand between the sides until an agreement is made. If the UN won't we should ourselves. Baby soldiers and babies macheted are not something we or the world should tolerate.



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PostPosted: 01/07/09 9:22 am • # 7 
I forgot to comment on your Nam line but it might go better on another thread.

I can hear you now "omg he's questioning my patriotism again." lol


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