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PostPosted: 11/18/09 2:58 pm • # 1 
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Byrd may have accomplished a lot in the Senate, but I will never forgive his membership in the KKK ~ I am "so surprised" [NOT] that none of the accolades being heaped on him mention that "milestone" ~ Image ~ Sooz


November 18, 2009
Posted: November 18th, 2009 02:44 PM ET

Washington (CNN) -
Plaudits are rolling in from both sides of the Senate aisle for U.S. Sen. Robert Byrd as the passionate and painstaking Democratic senator from West Virginia became the longest-serving member of the U.S. Congress Wednesday.

On the Senate floor, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and others issued moving tributes to the larger-than-life legislator, who served six years in the House and then nearly 51 years and counting in the Senate.

The senators marveled at Byrd's milestones:

He became the only person ever elected to nine full terms in the Senate,
served in Congress for 20,774 days, cast more than 18,000 Senate votes, and is the longest-serving member of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He presided over the Senate's shortest and longest continuous sessions.

He is known for his encyclopedic knowledge of Senate rules and has never lost an election.

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... bert-byrd/



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PostPosted: 11/18/09 3:30 pm • # 2 
I have had a number of people argue that the KKK was a "short fad" with Byrd, and that he repented and was a major force for civil rights.. I guess that could be true if I were a complete idiot and was incapable of simple reading... Byrd was a member of the KKK for over 11 years. I have heard incessantly how it was the Democrats that brought us the Civil Rights Bill, funny, it was Robert Byrd who joined the southern and border state Democrats to filibuster the 1964 Civil rights Act.. Byrd was widely known as a Dixiecrat, one who vehemently opposed desegregation. In 1944 he wrote Democrat Senator Bilbo the following.. "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." Anyone that approves of this man being praised, should hang his head in shame... his apologies have been lame, and the only thing that he did in his 51 years in office is outlive his enemies and make the tobacco farmers rich.


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PostPosted: 11/18/09 4:03 pm • # 3 
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They didn't stand in the way of the Civil Rights Act because they were democrats, but because they were southerners. At the time, of course, the south was wholly, bitterly democrat, which it had been ever since the end of the Civil War and Reconstruction. You'd be hard pressed to find a Republican senator or congressman from the south who stood up and fought for the Civil Rights Act. Mainly because there were no republicans from the south in Congress. You would, of course, have to stand up and take your hat off to the great Lyndon Baines Johnson, the southern democrat congressman turned President who defied implacable southern segregationist tradition, and used the power of the office to make the Civil Rights Act happen. The greatest act of moral courage by a President since Lincoln.



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PostPosted: 11/18/09 4:05 pm • # 4 
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that is quite a statement. i have some personal misgivings about Johnson that may be impairing my impartiality however.


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PostPosted: 11/18/09 6:29 pm • # 5 
I put Byrd right up there with Storm Thurmond who conducted the longest filibuster ever by a U.S. Senator in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop. He later moderated his position on race, but continued to defend his early segregationist campaigns on the basis of states' rights in the context of Southern society at the time, never fully renouncing his earlier viewpoints. After his death it was revealed that Thurmond and a black maid, Carrie Butler, had a daughter whom Thurmond never publicly acknowledged. So far, he is the only U.S. Senator to reach the age of 100 while still in office.


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 1:52 am • # 6 
I like Byrd more than you guys do. He's changed. He is not the same man he was in 1944. Thurmond died denouncing his daughter. I think there is a greatness in moving away from your past mistakes.

And how can I hate a man who said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxWfawiufK0


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 3:15 am • # 7 
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There's a difference between excusing and forgiving.

Thinking of Byrd's early racist ties -His KKK participation isn't excuseable, the philospophy and actions of the KKK offend every moral principle I grew up with. Up here we had not lost the war and seen our subjects and servants raised up to be our equals at its end. In that war of cultures, our side won, and imposed ours over theirs, and afterward a cultural guerilla resistance spread through southern culture in response. That was the whole obsession with states rights, and Jim Crow. Where black people had been objects of condescension as owned servants, freed they became symbols of the south's defeat, and objects of hatred. The Civil Rights Act was maybe the last battle of the Civil War. And the south rose up to fight it. Lost again.

George Wallace was famously still fighting the battle when he fought against school and lunch counter integration. He's now famous for switching sides and embracing the change he fought against. Not that it matters to anyone, but I've forgiven George Wallace. And Robert Byrd too, for the same reason. In Byrd's case, I wonder how many there are who will never forgive him for switching sides.



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PostPosted: 11/19/09 4:07 am • # 8 
Grampatom, you are correct in your assumptions, well except for the person in question... Byrd was a NORTHERN Democrat Senator from W. Virginia.. (Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia was the only northern Democrat to oppose the measure). And yes, the ONLY southern Republican Senator to oppose the bill was John Tower (Texas). A total of 117 Democrats voted nay while only 49 Republicans voted nay. Bottom line... it cost the Democrats the south... to this day.

Dee, you are correct, I do not believe Thurmond is on any higher moral ground.. but apparently, you forgot to mention that Thurmond was a Democrat when he filibustered to the record on the 1957 Civil Rights act.. a slip maybe? Thurmond did not switch to the Republicans until 1964. Of course, the reason for his switch was because Johnson and the Northern Democrats were pushing the Civil Rights bill.

Kathyk.. I do not believe anyone here used the word "hate".. I do not hate him, I feel sorry for any man that has that much capacity to hate. BTW.. the speech that you posted, I find to be more Democrat demagoguery.. a smaller word.. crap.

Of course, all of the above is just me personal opinion...


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 4:17 am • # 9 
Bobspics.. SorryI didn't mention Byrd's party affiliation,I never put much importance into which party he was with at any given time. I was just going on how he viewed things and I disliked nearly everything he stood for, no matter which party he's on.


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 4:27 am • # 10 
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kathy and gramps, I'd like to believe that Byrd has "changed" but I have significant doubts ~ if I'm not mistaken, Byrd was not just a member of the KKK, he was some bigwig ~ is "grand wizard" the title? ~ and it wasn't a "brief youthful" indiscretion ~ I hazily remember some interview maybe 10 or so years ago where he kept using the term "white nigger" ~ I don't remember the specifics ~ but I clearly remember being appalled and disgusted ~ he's cast some [imo] good, solid votes ~ and deserves credit for those ~ but I see his mindset still mired in racism ~

Bob, isn't Thurmond's filibuster record something over 24hours?

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PostPosted: 11/19/09 4:46 am • # 11 
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BTW ~ racism and bigotry and sexism are NOT limited to any one party ~ there are plenty of glaring examples across the whole political spectrum ~

Sooz


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 8:01 am • # 12 

Sooz.. I believe Dee stated that it was 24 hours 18 min., and she rarely has her facts wrong (past experience)... and you are correct, racism and bigotry are not party affiliated, they come in a package deal.. if people are involved, so will some with racist and bigoted beliefs.. it is universal, just like greed.. you will find, if you go back in history.. we just clarified the 3 major reasons that war exists.

"As an American, I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials." - - Newt Gingrich

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PostPosted: 11/19/09 8:58 am • # 13 
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hahahahaha!

well, Obama was not the first to be awarded the Prize with "no accomplishments" (other than becoming the first black US president)


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 9:21 am • # 14 
That's true - just look at Al Gore. Image


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 10:33 am • # 15 
Bob - I liked his speech, but I am and have been anti Iraq War since the get go. If that's crap, then I am full of crap, too, and so be it.

My Mother was born in rural Pennsylvania in the same year as Byrd. She was taught that women were inferior to men and blacks were inferior to whites. Her brother Paul belonged to the KKK. Amazing to that story is you had to travel 50 miles from their home town to find a black person.

My father was still alive, so about 1997 we were talking about something and Mother said, "Well, men do all things better than women do." I said, "Do you really believe that? I am going to work as a computer scientist, raising my son, and taking care of the two of you. Do you really think men are superior?" She said something neutral , but I think she did then. I am not positive about now.

Black people? I can't answer fine particulars. I know when I was in high school (after 1944, I graduated in 1971) and she did some volunteer work with the migrant workers that she was suprised that she could hold a little black baby and care for it and love it. Today I have two dear friends; one is black and one is Chinese and they are her dear friends, too.


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 11:05 am • # 16 
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gopqed wrote:
That's true - just look at Al Gore. Image

the list doesn't stop with US candidates, GOP. but i will admit that they are far and away the most familiar.


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 1:04 pm • # 17 
Byrd really has done great things for our state. The world was a very different place when he was young, and I think it is something that he has changed his views since then. One of the big things he fights for for our state is education, and it is very needed. Though, I do wish we had another senator just so it wouldn't get so confusing having so many buildings and streets with his name on them! At least we finally got a building with Rockefeller's name. [img]/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif[/img] I always feel a bit sorry for him, being a senator so long and still being the JUNIOR senator from WV because Byrd seems to never want to retire.


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 1:25 pm • # 18 

There are many that were opposed to the Iraq war.. I am not one of them. However, I am extremely opposed to the way Bush screwed it up. I have no problem with the US going in and deposing scum like Hussein.. the more, the merrier. But, to act like we are the saviors was BS.. if it is war you want, then fight a war... don't dance in the street with roses in your mouth. This country forgot how to fight a war in 1945.. we have played games and wasted soldiers lives ever since.. some of the wasted lives were very good friends, so I take it seriously. I wait for the day this country has the guts to go and really make a difference.

In as far as the speech given by Robert KKK Byrd.. any politician that starts a speech with his undying love for this country, and takes several minutes of flowers and roses to get to his point, is being a politician... plain and simple.. CRAP! If you have something to say, say it, get it on the record and move on.



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PostPosted: 11/19/09 1:44 pm • # 19 
I really have to wonder how much good Byrd is really doing right now, outside of his West Virginia pork factory. If he isn't able to attend Senate sessions and cast a vote, the Democrats don;t have their "filibuster-proof" majority in the Senate..... When was the last time he actually attended a Senate session?


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PostPosted: 11/19/09 3:03 pm • # 20 
Seems he voted in October, 2009.

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53359


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