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PostPosted: 11/20/09 6:55 am • # 1 
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I easily admit I am NOT a fiscal or economics expert, but this makes sense to me ~ and is another fine example of Gregg's "selective facts" mindset ~ Sooz


By Guest Blogger on Nov 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

Facts On National Debt Don't Match The 'Expensive Expansions Of Government' Narrative

Our guest blogger is Michael Linden, Associate Director for Tax and Budget Policy at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.

There's been a fair bit of hemming and hawing over the news that the federal debt has now surpassed $12 trillion. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), widely known for his fiscal hawkishness during Democratic administrations, couldn't resist pointing the finger, saying, "this level of fiscal recklessness and irresponsibility should be shocking to the American taxpayer, especially since it is our children and grandchildren who will be forced to grapple with the consequences of our debt."

While this milestone is actually nothing of the sort - $12 trillion is gross federal debt, not the debt owed to the public, which is the much more important figure - you can be sure that many people will use this as another excuse to condemn what Gregg called "expensive expansions of government" and to blame all of our fiscal problems on President Obama. But here are three facts about this year's deficit that you probably won't hear much about:

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- Less than one-fifth of all the new spending in FY 09 came from Obama initiatives;

- The big deficit this year was as much a product of a huge decline in tax revenues as it was an increase in spending;

- The overall cost of the decline in tax revenues was four times larger than the cost of Obama's initiatives.

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These facts don't fit with the narrative of an Obama "spending binge."

It's true that there was a big increase in spending in fiscal year 2009. Total spending rose by about $600 billion, not counting payments for interest on the debt (which actually declined in 2009 because of extraordinarily low interest rates).

But fiscal year 2009 began on October 1, 2008, when George Bush was still president, and by the time President Obama took office more than 40 percent of that new spending had already been committed, in the form of TARP and the bailouts for Fannie and Freddie. Another quarter of the new spending came from growth in entitlement programs and unemployment insurance, which was certainly outside the control of a new president.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment act, on the other hand, was responsible for only 18 percent of the new spending in 2009. So, spending did rise, but only one in five of those new dollars came from Obama's initiatives.

And spending is only half the story. The other half is that tax revenues plummeted this year to their lowest levels since 1950.

Johnny-come-lately fiscal hawks almost never talk about the tax side of the balance sheet when they rail against deficits, because it's more politically expedient to point fingers at the Recovery Act. But the size of the decline in tax revenues was four times larger than all the Recovery Act spending this year!

This year's deficit was eye-catching, but it didn't just appear out of the blue on January 20th, and it isn't just a product of new spending. If you hear some pundit or politician claiming that a huge expansion of government is responsible for our fiscal woes without mentioning President Bush and with nary a word about tax revenues, you can be pretty sure that he's more interested in scoring political points than actually solving problems.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/ ... -deficits/



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PostPosted: 11/20/09 9:34 am • # 2 
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i have been repeating this over and over again on another board. Bush is DISPROPORTIONATELY responsible for both the current deficit AND the "runaway spending".


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 11:34 am • # 3 
But... Obama critics have been quick to point out that his contribution is disproportionately high considering he's only been in office for less than a year and Bush's contribution was accumulated over eight years. The implication is that Obama will continue to spend at his current pace. I don't know if that's a fair argument because I may be a lot of things, but a seer isn't one of them, however I doubt he would or even could.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 12:03 pm • # 4 
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Seeing the president cannot authorize spending bills, at least not to my knowledge, isn't this a bit of a nonsensical OP?


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 1:30 pm • # 5 
The President gives the final authorization to spending bills when he signs them.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 1:59 pm • # 6 
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gopqed wrote:
The President gives the final authorization to spending bills when he signs them.


yes. and he has this lovely device called a VETO STAMP if he doesn't like them.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 2:11 pm • # 7 
That's true. I don't believe Obama has found that one yet.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 3:47 pm • # 8 
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gopqed wrote:
That's true. I don't believe Obama has found that one yet.

let's see if it takes him SIX YEARS before he does, like his predacessor (sic).


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 4:04 pm • # 9 
Well, George Bush did something that Bill Clinton never did, which was veto a bill when his party controlled both houses of Congress. We'll see if Obama walks in Clinton's footsteps.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 7:42 pm • # 10 
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gopqed wrote:
Well, George Bush did something that Bill Clinton never did, which was veto a bill when his party controlled both houses of Congress. We'll see if Obama walks in Clinton's footsteps.

yes. he was also the third most overriden president in history, on a percentage basis- showing just how much respect he got for his job.

he was a real trensetter. someone for Obama to worship and admire. Image


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