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PostPosted: 11/20/09 7:11 am • # 1 
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There was a segment on my local news last night about a local man ~ excellent credit history ~ never carries a balance beyond what he can pay off in 3 months ~ whose interest rate jumped from 6.9% to 21% on his most recent billing ~ granted, the jump was NOT retroactive but applied only to new charges ~ and there are plenty of stories about the new fees being charged to customers who pay off their charges monthly ~ the "profit at any cost" mindset truly is shameful ~ and obviously out of control ~ Sooz


By Pat Garofalo on Nov 19th, 2009 at 11:30 am

GOP Blocks Credit Card Bill, Endorses Skyrocketing Interest Rates

Back in May, Congress approved and the President signed legislation reforming the credit card industry, ensuring that credit card companies couldn't raise rates for no reason or retroactively increase rates on existing balances. However, most of the new rules don't go into effect until February, 2010.

In the interim, banks have been jacking up rates left and right. In fact, half of Americans report that their credit card rates have been raised in the past six months. According to Pew Charitable Trusts' Safe Credit Cards Project, the lowest interest rates offered on most bank cards "jumped by more than 20 percent" in that time.

To deal with this problem (which is significantly of their own making), Democrats crafted a bill bumping up the implementation date of the new regulations and freezing interest rates until the new laws come into effect. The bill was approved by the House on a vote of 331-92 earlier this month.

Due to a packed floor schedule, there was no stomach in the Senate for a prolonged fight over credit cards. So, as Ryan Grim noted "the only way Democrats could pass the bill in time for the holidays would be with the support of the GOP."

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) tried to do just that yesterday, with the support of Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO), by asking for unanimous consent to bring the bill to the floor. However, Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) objected "on behalf of several senators on this side of the aisle," killing the whole effort. Watch it:

According to Pew, none of the credit cards currently offered online by the 12 largest U.S. banks "would meet requirements of new federal curbs on the industry's rates and fees." But Republicans still saw fit to allow the credit card companies to do whatever they want until the new rules comes into effect next year.

As the Coloradoan reported, "Republicans didn't explain their decision to block a vote…beyond Cochran's short objection." Dodd, clearly expecting an objection, lamented that a bill "that would really have allowed us to do something meaningful" was being derailed.

This is, sadly, exactly how the rest of the financial regulatory reform debate is going. Yesterday, Senate Republicans said that "there is no support within the GOP for the financial overhaul plan outlined last week by Democrats." "My understanding is that it's not acceptable to any of the Republicans on the [banking] committee as it now stands," said Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

That's right. In the wake of the financial crisis, not one Republican is prepared to vote for regulatory reform. And the reason is that "they think the plan goes too far by putting onerous restrictions on Wall Street that could limit the availability of credit." So by preventing the credit card bill from going forward - and by uniting in opposition against wider regulatory reform - the GOP is endorsing the credit card companies' actions and the wider return to rampant risk on Wall Street.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/ ... card-bill/



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PostPosted: 11/20/09 9:21 am • # 2 
Republicans don't give a shit about Joe the Plumber unless they can trot him out in the next anti-Obama rally.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 3:09 pm • # 3 
The credit card companies are private institutions... there is no law against what they are doing, nor should their be, unless Uncle Sam wants to back them up like they do banks (FDIC).. or like we did with the bail out! I am a photographer.. I am good, I charge a lot of money for my services.. I do not want Congress coming into my world, and telling me I have to charge less because the poor can not afford my images...

Citibank raised my rate to 22.9% a month ago, I do not know what it was, makes no difference, because I never carry a balance.. I pay monthly, I don't buy what I don't have the money to buy. I did not call Citibank to get all irate, I called them and asked them to cancel my card... I then sent an application to Capitol One.. got my new card Wednesday. Three years ago I got my insurance statement from Allstate, you know, the good hands people... Well, right there in small print on the first page was a statement.. My rate was NOT the best rate I could get due to my credit report. I had to look back on page 21 of the BS paperwork and amendments and declarations to fine out that, in their opinion, I had to many credit cards. My credit rating in is the top 4 percentile.. like 805.. Again, no problem, I made three phone calls, found out the AARP insurance was cheaper than my Allstate policy by $80.. called my broker and canceled my policy effective immediately. I do not want government to tell a business how to do business... I reserve that right for myself.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 3:27 pm • # 4 
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Bob, are you saying you don't believe "consumer protections" are appropriate or necessary?

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PostPosted: 11/20/09 3:38 pm • # 5 
The credit card bill did such a fine job of protecting consumers that it gave the credit card companies a date by which they had to finish raising their rates to the maximum allowable under the new law. Image


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 4:12 pm • # 6 
I believe that consumer protection should be used only in areas that affect health and welfare.. in area of government mandate.. like car insurance & health insurance. I find that in areas that the government requires something, then the "free market" ceases to exist. if your only option is exorbitant prices for insurance, or no driving or health care... then the government is obligated to provide some protection... but in real life.. as we have seen again and again in Texas (highest house & car insurance in the country), the consumer protection agency just rubber stamps approvals. Allstate just got hit with a $300,000,000 penalty in Texas for overcharging homeowners.. of course, that was actually a win... since the estimated overcharges was $1.3 BILLION dollars. But in areas of rabid competition (like credit cards, I use to get 15 applications a week until I got Lifelock).. no, the market will take care of itself.. just like it did for me. I would love to see the government get involved where it is REALLY needed.. and that is lawyers and medical lawsuits.. legal ambulance chasing.. I am sure you have seen the commercials.. I you have ever used... blah blah blah... Oh, that is right, Obama, Reid and Pelosi are all lawyers... oops, well I guess tort reform is out!


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 4:58 pm • # 7 
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Yes, lawyers are everyone's "whipping boy" ... until someone NEEDS one ~ Image ~ I easily agree that ambulance chasers are a blight ~ but you might be surprised by the fact that really HUGE medical malpractice awards are very few and very far between ~ by the way, there has been significant tort reform in many states, including [I believe] Texas ~ the experience in those states with significant tort reform has proven the argument that tort reform will drive down medical costs to be a fallacy ~

Sooz



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PostPosted: 11/20/09 6:04 pm • # 8 
These were anticipated consequences of the credit card bill. People tried to tell Congress this would happen, but do they listen? Of course not. The credit card companies exist for ONE reason, and ONLY ONE reason, and that's to make a profit. If you shut down one avenue of making a profit, they're going to find another. And, really, why shouldn't they? They also assume a lot of risk to loan people money to pay back later when they can't pay in cash today. If you don't like it, use a bank debit card or pay with cash, checks or money order.


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PostPosted: 11/20/09 7:49 pm • # 9 
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Oh, that is right, Obama, Reid and Pelosi are all lawyers... oops, well I guess tort reform is out!

i think about 94% of congress was lawyers at last count, Bobs, but meaningful tort reform happened at least three times in the last 3 decades.

i would not be so grim about that subject. after all, business is more in charge than individuals, and business is pretty much FOR tort reform.


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PostPosted: 11/21/09 1:56 am • # 10 
The best way to deal with credit card companies is to apply a pair of scissors to their cards. If you don't want to be stiffed by them, don't use their product.


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PostPosted: 11/21/09 5:52 am • # 11 
I knew everyone would take issue with my sarcasm... in the next revolution, lawyers go first... fortunately, I have never desired the services of one.

But Sidartha found the point.. don't like it, don't use it!

Credit cards are NOT a requirement of life.. they are a service, for which the bank can charge what ever the traffic will bare... I use credit cards because it is a small source of revenue to me. I get points for use, which I convert to CASH, not airline miles... I never pay an annual fee for the card, and I never pay interest. So, it is like a 1% rebate. In the day, they used to offer a discount if you paid cash.. many stores and ALL gas stations had cash or credit prices, when I got the discount, I paid cash... they do not do that now, so I use my card for everything, and every 3 - 4 months, I cash in my points and get a nice check.

It is NOT any business of the government to help increase the ability for people to run up debt.. THAT IS HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE - CHEAP MONEY!


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PostPosted: 11/21/09 6:01 am • # 12 

Now on lawyers.. ask any doctor (who is honest), and he will tell you that the reason that so many procedures and tests are ordered is so that there is no room for a omission law suit if things go bad. That drives up the cost of insurance more than anything else. It does not matter how many large settlements there are, it is nothing compared to the COST of fighting a frivolous law suit. Most companies now will pay off the claimant rather than fight. I used to be a part owner of a convenience store.. A guy claimed that he fell and injured himself.. we had a witness that said it did not happen as claimed, made no difference... my insurance paid him and his lawyer $5000 to go away. Told me it was cheaper than going to court and winning!

BTW.. in Texas, the only "tort" reform was to limit the payout on certain types malpractice suit... not to do away with frivolous cases.



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bobspics wrote:
I knew everyone would take issue with my sarcasm... in the next revolution, lawyers go first... fortunately, I have never desired the services of one.

But Sidartha found the point.. don't like it, don't use it!

Credit cards are NOT a requirement of life.. they are a service, for which the bank can charge what ever the traffic will bare... I use credit cards because it is a small source of revenue to me. I get points for use, which I convert to CASH, not airline miles... I never pay an annual fee for the card, and I never pay interest. So, it is like a 1% rebate. In the day, they used to offer a discount if you paid cash.. many stores and ALL gas stations had cash or credit prices, when I got the discount, I paid cash... they do not do that now, so I use my card for everything, and every 3 - 4 months, I cash in my points and get a nice check.

It is NOT any business of the government to help increase the ability for people to run up debt.. THAT IS HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE - CHEAP MONEY!

The statement "don't like it, don't use it" is not always simple today ~ many things require credit card use ~ travel [airllne, hotel reservations for example] ~ I learned my lesson years ago and am mostly responsible with credit card use today ~ I've never minded paying reasonable interest when it has taken me a couple of months to pay something off ~ I saw it as the price for buying/doing what I wanted when I wanted [yes, I know that falls into a "hedonistic" realm] ~ and for many years that interest was deductible ~ but the key to my mindset are the words "reasonable interest" ~ this last round of boosting has to be nearing usury limits ~ and I deeply resent being charged a fee for being responsible by [a] paying off all charges each month, or [b] not using the card ~

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bobspics wrote:

Now on lawyers.. ask any doctor (who is honest), and he will tell you that the reason that so many procedures and tests are ordered is so that there is no room for a omission law suit if things go bad. That drives up the cost of insurance more than anything else. It does not matter how many large settlements there are, it is nothing compared to the COST of fighting a frivolous law suit. Most companies now will pay off the claimant rather than fight. I used to be a part owner of a convenience store.. A guy claimed that he fell and injured himself.. we had a witness that said it did not happen as claimed, made no difference... my insurance paid him and his lawyer $5000 to go away. Told me it was cheaper than going to court and winning!

BTW.. in Texas, the only "tort" reform was to limit the payout on certain types malpractice suit... not to do away with frivolous cases.


There are definitely slime-buckets in ANY profession ~ yes, you will always find a lawyer willing to bring a frivolous action [Orly Taitz jumps to mind] ~ just as you will always find a CPA willing to "fudge" numbers ~ or a doc willing to scam Medicare or insurance companies ~ in the case of frivolous lawsuits, it becomes the responsibility of the judge and/or jury to identify it as "frivolous" and toss it ~

Sooz


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bobspics wrote:

Now on lawyers.. ask any doctor (who is honest), and he will tell you that the reason that so many procedures and tests are ordered is so that there is no room for a omission law suit if things go bad. That drives up the cost of insurance more than anything else. It does not matter how many large settlements there are, it is nothing compared to the COST of fighting a frivolous law suit. Most companies now will pay off the claimant rather than fight. I used to be a part owner of a convenience store.. A guy claimed that he fell and injured himself.. we had a witness that said it did not happen as claimed, made no difference... my insurance paid him and his lawyer $5000 to go away. Told me it was cheaper than going to court and winning!

BTW.. in Texas, the only "tort" reform was to limit the payout on certain types malpractice suit... not to do away with frivolous cases.


i believe malpractice lawsuits add less than 5% to medical costs. however, it may be true that defensive medicine costs significantly more.


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PostPosted: 11/21/09 10:41 am • # 16 
I haven't had a credit card in over a decade. Don't need it... don't want it.


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