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PostPosted: 12/01/09 7:02 am • # 1 



I will not vouch for the veracity of this clip... being a photographer, I can vouch for the fact you can not believe what you see, I am not sure about what I hear. This is U-tube.. take it or leave it. But it certainly is interesting.

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Apparently from his own mouth...


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28



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PostPosted: 12/01/09 7:30 am • # 2 
Good grief are people still beating this old dead horse?

He was raised a Muslim in his early childhood, He's been open about that.
Much currency has been made of his 20+ years attending Christian services.
Toss a coin and make your mind up.

Last I checked;
1) America is not at war with Islam.

2) You can be an American and a follower of Islam.

3) You can follow any faith, or none, and still hold office in the US.

What's the suggestion, He's a one man sleeper cell?

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PostPosted: 12/01/09 7:38 am • # 3 
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there are 6M Muslim Americans.


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PostPosted: 12/01/09 7:44 am • # 4 
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Bob's right that it IS "interesting" ~ but anyone with 2 working brain cells recognizes there is NO context to any of the comments ~ and the c/p'd editing is SO bad, it makes one wonder exactly what was cut ~ and why ~ but then the old "light bulb" flashes overhead with the caption "agenda" in big day-glo colors ~

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PostPosted: 12/01/09 9:57 am • # 5 
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I think it is the usual protocol for a visiting Head of State to make reference to the "respectable" historical contributions and natural beauty of the country being visited.

Most of these excerpts are taken from the speech he made during his visit to Cairo. This speech was addressing leaders of "the Muslim World."

He would have broken all rules of proper protocol had he not expressed his appreciation of the "good things," (contributions to civilization, ethics, morals, science, etc.) about the Muslim World. It would hardly have been appropriate for a Head of State to be giving a speech to the leaders of such nations and say something like, "and I wanted all of you to know that we recognize you as assholes, religious dupes, troublemakers and the the major parts of the Axis of Evil."Image


President Obama Speech to Muslim World in Cairo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_889oBKkNU

Does the following video indicate that Obama is a Jew? He is wearing a symbolic religious head covering. He is placing a prayer in a hole in a wall. He is following the directions and giving deference to what appears to be a rabbi? So. What might one conclude from this video?

Obama visits Israel.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=1427248&videoChannel=1003&refresh=true


Sorry, I couldn't easily find any other speeches he gave in connection with visits to other nations. But I do recall when he visited China and Japan, he gave much the same speeches, except that his references and compliments there were more secular.

The group he was addressing at the "Muslim nations" meeting was, of course, a specific religious group. And, obviously, the visit to the Holy Wall was also more of a "religious" than a "State" visit. Since Israel is still requiring of their neighbors that the State of Israel be "recognized" as a "Jewish (religious) State," it seems that a visit to Israel might be considered, also, as a "religious" visit, much like visiting the Vatican might be considered a "religious" visit. I doubt Obama, or any other Head of State would visit the Vatican and remark on the magnificance of pepperoni pizza, or Puccini and Verdi operas. They're gonna talk religion. Right? So he's talking religion. So?

Sooz, you are very correct. That is really a hatchet job on the cherry picking cutting and splicing. Must have come from a low budget site.

Enjoy.

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PostPosted: 12/01/09 10:57 am • # 6 
The video can be damaging for Obama.
Not every one will seek out the truth or work out that what the President is saying is only a very small part of the entire speech.


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PostPosted: 12/01/09 11:30 am • # 7 
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Whatever.

Before John F. Kennedy, people thought the U.S. was a Protestant nation and a Catholic would never be elected.

That's what division of church and state MEANS. There is no national religion. Americans can belong to any religion and be Americans. And any American can grow up to be president.


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PostPosted: 12/01/09 1:36 pm • # 8 
Sorry for not buying into the fear and loathing. Someday a woman of Chinese descent may become president of the USA, and the same good ol' white boys will hate her because she's Buddhist.


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PostPosted: 12/01/09 5:02 pm • # 9 
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Tha video has been kicking around for a few months now. It's so badly edited as to be laughable but I suppose there will be people who will fall for it. Not that it matters. Anybody that does fall for it isn't likely to be a Obama supporter anyway. It's one of those things people distribute to shore up something they already have an unshakable belief in.


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PostPosted: 12/01/09 5:41 pm • # 10 
jimwilliam wrote:
Tha video has been kicking around for a few months now. It's so badly edited as to be laughable but I suppose there will be people who will fall for it. Not that it matters. Anybody that does fall for it isn't likely to be a Obama supporter anyway. It's one of those things people distribute to shore up something they already have an unshakable belief in.

I also saw it several months agao and crossed my mind that it could be damaging to him if it gained momentum. Those voters that are sitting on the fence not knowing what way to go could be the deciding factor.
Im sure that most know its edited but there will those who will take it as face value.


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PostPosted: 12/01/09 8:45 pm • # 11 
Anyone giving weight to this hatchet job was already a bigot and and will latch on to anything that supports their mindless bigotry.
It never ceases to amaze me that a nation comprised of immigrants displays such fear and suspicion of "furriners."

His name could have been of; German, Japanese, Korean, Russian ..... origin, the usual suspects would be all over it in the same way and the dittoheads and zombie sheep will soak it up.

Throw in activation codes like Nazi, Communist, Marxist, Socialist, Muslim, Czar, (no need to understand what they actually mean), and the pre-programmed imbeciles start to give off sparks. Press the "patriot" button and they'll run around like headless chickens, clucking embarrassing nonsense.


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 3:27 am • # 12 
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Bobpics, what's your point in posting this clip?
Are you saying Youtube can be used as a vehicle to spread propaganda to confuse the christian right wing as to President Obama's religious faith?
Come to think of it, does visiting the Blue Mosque in Istanbul automatically turn you into a Muslim? I swear, there were no membership applications laying around anywhere when I went there.
Again, what is your point? I bet if John McCain would be posting here he would snatch your keyboard from you and type "No, mam! He's a decent family man...."


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 9:53 am • # 13 
Just wanted to see the show... the reaction... to this obvious hatchet job. I stated that up front.. I did not stand by the veracity of the tape...

The reactions were fascinating, and, for the most part... expected..

People stating that you can be American and Muslim.. of course you can.. But Obama has stated he is NOT Muslim, he is, and has been Christian. Stating that he is Muslim in this butcher edited tape would have countered his statement, not his right to freedom of religion.

I really do not care how many Muslims there are - 6 million, or 6 billion, Obama is not one according to him.

Sooz hit the nail on the head.. he knew why I posted it...

Sorry Green Apple.. completely irrelevant to the tape.

Sidartha, you are off your meds again, aren't you... Buddhist Women.. ??? Me, I would welcome any woman going for the part, as long as her name is not Hillary.. I could go for Chelsey, she seems to have her head screwed on right.

Jim is correct.. only a right wing nut would be swayed by this piece of garbage.

Feathered Fish.. could we park the bigot remarks unless someone actually posts a swastika or a KKK symbol.. I am so tired of that card being played...

And yes, Jabra.. I find it difficult that ANYONE would put any faith in ANY tape found on U-Tube.. much less one as chopped as this one is...

Oh.. and I did not vote for McCain either..


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 10:45 am • # 14 
bobspics wrote:
Feathered Fish.. could we park the bigot remarks unless someone actually posts a swastika or a KKK symbol.. I am so tired of that card being played...
"Anyone giving weight to this hatchet job was already a bigot and and will latch on to anything that supports their mindless bigotry."

Bob, unless you fall into the underline category I was not referring to you.
However, if you wish to claim that bigotry is not a factor at all in the production or targeting of this type of material, I'm listening.
Until convinced otherwise, I'll point out bigotry whether you're tired of it or not.


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 11:04 am • # 15 
Of course bigotry is a factor. Although, Bob didn't post it for that reason, the tape was made to reach the people who think being Muslim is a bad thing. Those people don't like Obama anyway, so the tape has not and will not actually change anything.


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 11:14 am • # 16 
Being Jewish, I understand bigotry , my point is that everything is not bigotry.. that is a card that gets played much to often, and I fear that, like the boy who cried wolf, it will be meaningless when the ugly head of bigotry really does appear. Most don't care that he is black, or 1/2 black.. , what ever.. they fear him because he was the most liberal Democrat in Congress, and now, he is the President. His spending.. giving money to anyone and everyone, is what they fear. I did not think it was possible to outspend Bush.. and most Democrats kept pointing to the debt clock.. where the hell are you guys now?

But bigotry... Na, just the same KKK mentality folks that have always been around, and damn few of them. The rest, nothing at all to do with black/white/green/ red/yellow... et al. Just no Democrat is going to be good enough.. not even Leiberman..


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 11:24 am • # 17 
bob, I totally agree that the bigotry card is played way too often. So many discussions about real issues get shut down because people want to blame any disagreement with Obama on racism.


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:23 pm • # 18 

So many discussions about real issues get shut down because people want to blame any disagreement with Obama on racism.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with this. I have not once seen someone bring up Obama's policies, in detail, and had them shouted down as racist. Its the same old crap. He's a marxist. He's a muslim. He's a socialist. He's a fascist. If people are really interested in discussing his policies, that is what I have seen discussed. Its when they resort to the name calling and labeling him, is when racism comes into question. I have never called someone a racist for disagreeing with his policies, IF they can tell me what the policies are. And even then, if they can't, I chalk it up to them being ignorant, not racist.



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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:28 pm • # 19 
Monster, if you had read the thread instead of just the last message, you might have noticed, that you comment is exactly what we were all discussing. One person brought up bigotry, a couple of us disagreed with that statement. It is ignorance, politics and partisanship that causes name calling, not racism


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:35 pm • # 20 

monster, I think you'll probably have the same problem communicating with me as you did with Sammy. Our thinking was much the same and our way of expressing it is close.

I didn't say shouted down as racist, I said shut down. I won't bother to go back and find some threads that show what I mean, since it isn't that important. If we're discussing an issue and people want to blame racism for the disagreement, I see no point in continuing the discussion, so I shut down. Calling Obama a Marxist, Fascist, or Communist is not racist. Those are the terms used for people on the left to try to scare the ignorant people afraid of those words. They are just words. I've been called those words many times.



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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:39 pm • # 21 
bob, i did read the whole thread.


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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:46 pm • # 22 
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I understand both your comment and Katy's, Bob ~ I agree that charges of "racism" and "bigotry" can be overused ~ and I agree there is a significant danger in that ~ but I'm not sure we can totally dismiss bigotry and/or racism or totally remove either from the dynamic ~ for instance, the tactics of those trying so desperately to paint Obama as a Muslim are certain bigoted ~

Sooz



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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:46 pm • # 23 

Katy, I didn't mean to suggest that calling him those names was racist. My apologies if that is how you understood it.

There can be no denying that the posters we have seen have shown just how racist so many are out there. They don't want to discuss his politics. They come up with all kinds of othre stuff.

However that horse has been beat to death and I will stop here as not to offend anyone.

And I didn't know Sammy and I had a communication problem.



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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:53 pm • # 24 

That's the point. There is very real racism and bigotry all over this country and the world. We all need to work to get rid of that and keep an eye on those who can have such hatred. Crying racism and bigotry when it is not a part of it or is not the major part of it does not help and could end up hurting if done enough times.

I wish you would not stop for fear of offending anyone. I want to understand your point of view whether I agree or not.



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PostPosted: 12/02/09 2:58 pm • # 25 
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm having a tough time posting tonight ~ something is "off" with yuku ~ again ~ Image

monster, I think what you're saying is that some develop "issues" that are not racist per se but come from latent racism that they might not even admit to themselves ~ is that about right? ~ if it is, I tend to agree with that ~

Sooz



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