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bobspics wrote:
Yup, those Army grunts can get testy.. but they still understand being faithful to the code.
Jabra.. yes, true.. fortunately, it will never become unfashionable to look at the last guy in office to cover for the errors of the present guy.. who by the way has spent more in one year than both Bush presidents together... in their 12 years. Quote:
You hoped for a complete meltdown of our economy?
Btw, not doubting your numbers here, but do you have some link to a reputable site where I can look for myself?
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Here is a graph for Bush Jr vrs Obama, read it and weap... you will note the 2009 alone, is almost as large as the total for Bush Jr. Bush Sr. was minute in comaparison.. the light red is the White House estimate, the dard is the Budget Office.
I see a graph. I see numbers. I see years. I do not see a designation for what the number of dollars represent, or a source for the graph. That would help. It could be the amount of the national debt, the interest on the debt, the cost of rebuilding Iraq, the planned expenditures (obviously, since it runs to 2019), Many Bush programs had future expenditures that the national budget must provide.
Is there maybe some question here as to the actual amount of spending that can be laid to the 2009 time period. If I recall correctly, from 2001 through 2008, there was a massive amount of money allocated to the DOD, much of which was spread over a period of years into the future, beyond 2008. It allocated to commitments to be expected in future financing of rebuilding and further military involvement in the middle east. Also to contracts for building of the enormous (most expensive in the world) American Embassy in Iraq, and attendant costs for personnel to take up the space. All of this spending incurred enormous indebtedness. The Bush Administration borrowed money with as much irresponsibility as any of those oft-mentioned people who couldn't afford their mortgages. This saddled the incoming administration with increased national debt interest being required well into the future to prevent default.
Obama has not yet acquired a "signable" health care bill, so there can be no "expenditures" in the 2009 year for his health care bill. In all honesty, what has he spent all of this money on? The "bailout?" Pardon me, but wasn't the initial "bail out," the largest one, the AIG and Wall Street "bail out" formulated, or approved in September of 2008, during the Bush Administration? I could be wrong, but it seems I remember Bush being involved in the first allocation of funds. I know the first little check for a "stimulus" I received was in the summer of 2008. If I recall correctly, there were funds allocated during the Bush years, but the dispersion of those funds was to be incremental, and extend into the time AFTER Obama was sworn into office. Does anyone else remember it being that way? It's kinda amusing since so much of what Obama has proposed has been voted down or held in limbo, I find it really difficult to understand how he could have actually "spent" all that money, or commited to "spend" all that money. "PROPOSED" spending, maybe?
I honestly do not recall the details, but I seem to recall that Bush's expenditures were mind boggling. And the fact that he was "borrowing" us into insolvency was troubling to me. Especially in light of his much extolled, GOP pleasing tax cut along with an expensive, open ended, very potentially expansive war.
I cannot argue that the graph is there. I can question what the graph represents, what is the source of the graph, and what is the history of financial commitments made during the Bush years, including hugely increased national debt and the interest thereon, that were handed over to Obama. I don't think the claim of outspending both Bush presidencies can be possiblem, but it may be so.
Could someone help me out here, as I am having a lot of trouble getting computer time right now. Anybody know off the top of their head how much previously allocated spending was handed over to Obama? And could we have a source for that graph?
I don't mind Obama being charged with spending, but this just doesn't seem to add up.
Thanks.
jd