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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 1:48 pm • # 51 
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Mac, maybe we are using different definitions of "fear", but to me fear is an emotional and totally normal reaction to some triggers and there are vastly differing levels of fear ~ there is an enomous difference between fear that paralyzes us from acting and fear that puts us on alert and makes us more aware ~ far more important to me than fear itself is how we handle that fear ~ I can and often do feel a shiver of fear in stressful situations [i.e., "what if I screw this up"] ~ but it doesn't stop me from functioning and doing what needs to be done and, in fact, I think sometimes it helps me get thru what needs to be done ~ I also think most males would never publicly admit fear except in the most dire circumstances, if then ~ but we are all the sum of our experiences ~

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my son is afraid of the dark. it is an irrational fear, imo. he will get over it.

a generalized fear of terrorism is also irrational. i hope we will get over it, as well.

what you are describing is caution. it is the same thing that keeps me from driving 100 miles per hour on my way to work. but it is totally different than fear.
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PostPosted: 01/06/10 1:53 pm • # 52 
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WWII, we each have different triggers that unleash whatever we want to call it ~ some call it "fear", others call it "concern" ~ it's an emotional reaction ~ and emotions just are ~ I repeat that what matters is how we deal with the fear or concern ~ if it paralyzes us, then it's a problem ~ if it puts us on a plane of heightened awareness, then we are dealing with it appropriately ~

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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 1:55 pm • # 53 
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Mac, you are not stupid

stop pouring on the sweet stuff. you are making my knees buckle.

so I have to assume you either have not really read to understand my posts or you are playing a game.

i have told you three times that i don't understand your posts, so that would be a truly safe assumption. oh, and i don't play games with people, Katy. i have more natural respect for others than that.

If you had read my posts to understand them you would not be asking this stupid question.

i have read your posts 3x each, and yet i am still asking this "stupid question".

You are stuck on us living in fear of terrorists no matter how many times we have said otherwise.

ilenar has not said otherwise, Katy. so, that would be zero times, in her case.

Fine, think that. If you really want to understand, the answers are in my previous posts.

understand what? that you are not always afraid of terrorists? yeah, i think i got that. thanks.
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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 2:01 pm • # 54 
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sooz08 wrote:

WWII, we each have different triggers that unleash whatever we want to call it ~ some call it "fear", others call it "concern" ~ it's an emotional reaction ~ and emotions just are ~ I repeat that what matters is how we deal with the fear or concern ~ if it paralyzes us, then it's a problem ~ if it puts us on a plane of heightened awareness, then we are dealing with it appropriately ~

Sooz

is concern an emotional reaction, sooz?

again, in the case of terrorism, the goal is to make people so afraid that they will alter their course of action. they will curtail their freedoms voluntarily to choose a safer path. they will enact ridiculously oppressive "safety" laws that allow for spying on citizens without recourse, and turn mail carriers into snoops. in short, they will do precisely what we did after 911.

we lost the terror war before a shot was fired.
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Katy51
PostPosted: 01/06/10 2:10 pm • # 55 
"understand what? that you are not always afraid of terrorists? yeah, i think i got that. thanks."

then why did you ask the stupid question?
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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 2:18 pm • # 56 
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Katy51 wrote:
"understand what? that you are not always afraid of terrorists? yeah, i think i got that. thanks."

then why did you ask the stupid question?
because i would rather ask than guess, generally speaking. in other words, to make CERTAIN that i was understanding you.

some of us are way more gifted in understanding than others, Katy. i try to assume very little.

so, why do you keep using the word "stupid"? are you trying to hurt my feelings?
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PostPosted: 01/06/10 2:21 pm • # 57 
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WWII, we each have different triggers that unleash whatever we want to call it ~ some call it "fear", others call it "concern" ~ it's an emotional reaction ~ and emotions just are ~ I repeat that what matters is how we deal with the fear or concern ~ if it paralyzes us, then it's a problem ~ if it puts us on a plane of heightened awareness, then we are dealing with it appropriately ~

Sooz

Sooz

I really think that mine is due to what I have already gone through in my life, and this is miner as far as I am concerned and don't even give Terrorists a thought... I will deal with it if it starts to get to a point it is getting much worse and our Law folks can't do much about it...
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Katy51
PostPosted: 01/06/10 2:54 pm • # 58 
"so, why do you keep using the word "stupid"? are you trying to hurt my feelings?"

I am calling it stupid because it is stupid since you already knew the answer. Your posts are full of assumptions, mac. Even after I have shown the assumption to be wrong you hold onto it. You're making assumptions about Ilenar's posts, too. I saw her mentioning specific instances. Maybe I'm the only one here that believes this, but I saw her post saying she had fear at those times, not all the time, and I know she said it does not control her actions.

Why would I try to hurt your feelings? It's not like it matters whether we agree or not. There are times when I don't explain my view well. Then there are times when the other person just gets stuck on what they want to think I meant. Both are frustrating. To continue when either is happening is most likely a waste of time.
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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:02 pm • # 59 
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"so, why do you keep using the word "stupid"? are you trying to hurt my feelings?"
I am calling it stupid because it is stupid since you already knew the answer.

no i didn't. i don't know your mind, Katy. i only know your words. i have never experienced fear of terrorism, so i have a hard time understanding it.

Your posts are full of assumptions, mac. Even after I have shown the assumption to be wrong you hold onto it.

my very first post on this thread was a personal opinion. it had nothing to do with ilenar, per se. it was just how i see it.

You're making assumptions about Ilenar's posts, too.

i know a lot more about ilnear than i know about you, Katy. but i don't assume much about either of you.

I saw her mentioning specific instances. Maybe I'm the only one here that believes this, but I saw her post saying she had fear at those times, not all the time,

maybe so, but you don't KNOW that. and neither do i, ftr.

and I know she said it does not control her actions.

okey doke.

Why would I try to hurt your feelings?

i have no idea. but i never call other posters stupid, or imply that they are stupid by saying they ask "stupid questions".
if i ask you something, Katy, it is because i don't know what you will say. if i KNOW what you will say, i don't ask.

It's not like it matters whether we agree or not. There are times when I don't explain my view well. Then there are times when the other person just gets stuck on what they want to think I meant.

i am trying to do neither, but you are not making it any easier by calling my questions stupid and not answering them. that forces me to guess, which, for the record, i HATE doing.

Both are frustrating. To continue when either is happening is most likely a waste of time.

i don't think that anyone that is sincerely interested in another person's responses is wasting their time. but apparently this is a view not universally shared.


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:04 pm • # 60 
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Mac, "concern" can be either emotional or intellectual and is often both ~ we can and often do react emotionally but act intellectually ~ and there is generally a difference between a child's fears and an adult's fears ~ I don't see fear as irrational unless it stops us from functioning ~ Ilenar said she thinks of terrorists when she gets on a plane ~ she also said it doesn't stop her from getting on the plane ~ when Chicago's lakefront air space was reopened in October 2001, all of us in the office felt a measure of fear whenever we saw a plane in the skies ~ would you call that irrational? ~ I don't ~ the vast majority of us came back to work every day, which proves that we were not paralyzed by or giving in to our fears ~ we reacted emotionally but acted intellectually ~ I agree that the goal of terrorism is to terrorize ~ and that is exactly why I believe it is how we react to fear that is far more important than feeling the fear itself ~ and that is exactly why I made a conscious decision to not let fear rule my life ~ but there are still things that trigger a sense of fear in me ~

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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:11 pm • # 61 
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Mac, "concern" can be either emotional or intellectual and is often both ~ we can and often do react emotionally but act intellectually ~ and there is generally a difference between a child's fears and an adult's fears ~ I don't see fear as irrational unless it stops us from functioning ~

functioning is a pretty strong word for me. if i drive 75 miles around the golden gate bridge because i fear it getting blown up by terrorists, that does not stop me from functioning- but it is clearly irrational, unneccessary, and exposes me to extra risk of getting killed in an auto accident (a legitimate fear/concern).

Ilenar said she thinks of terrorists when she gets on a plane ~ she also said it doesn't stop her from getting on the plane ~

actually, i believe she said she fears them. and it is that fear i am trying to understand.

when Chicago's lakefront air space was reopened in October 2001, all of us in the office felt a measure of fear whenever we saw a plane in the skies ~ would you call that irrational? ~

for the first couple of months? no. eight years later? absolutely. if nothing else, that sort of chronic everlasting fear is really unhealthy.

I don't ~ the vast majority of us came back to work every day, which proves that we were not paralyzed by or giving in to our fears ~ we reacted emotionally but acted intellectually ~ I agree that the goal of terrorism is to terrorize ~ and that is exactly why I believe it is how we react to fear that is far more important than feeling the fear itself ~

i agree with that sooz. as long as the fear doesn't run you, it is no big deal. for the kind that runs you, there are psychotherapists.

and that is exactly why I made a conscious decision to not let fear rule my life ~ but there are still things that trigger a sense of fear in me ~

sure. some people are afraid of spiders, too. but you are right- it is when it runs your life that it is a problem- and not before.
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Katy51
PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:28 pm • # 62 

Mac, I'm not going to waste any more time with this. You did know the answer because you answered it yourself later. Continue your game all you want, I find it boring. Think I called you stupid if you like. It just really doesn't matter. Hopefully anyone else who was interested understood my posts.
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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 5:04 pm • # 63 
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Mac, I'm not going to waste any more time with this. You did know the answer because you answered it yourself later.

i didn't KNOW the answer. i was guessing. sometimes i get lucky. but i would rather just have you answer than take that chance.

Continue your game all you want, I find it boring.

i don't play games, Katy. if i didn't find your posts so puzzling, i would not ask questions, "stupid" or otherwise.

Think I called you stupid if you like.

you didn't. you called my questions stupid, which i really didn't like at all.

It just really doesn't matter. Hopefully anyone else who was interested understood my posts.

i doubt anyone else will try as hard as i did to understand them. perhaps they won't need to. maybe it is just me.
thanks for your patience, and sorry if i offended you with my "stupid questions". it was not my intention.


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Katy51
PostPosted: 01/06/10 6:02 pm • # 64 
lol. whatever.
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 Offline macroscopic
PostPosted: 01/06/10 6:44 pm • # 65 
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Katy51 wrote:
lol. whatever.

i am trying, Katy. thanks again for your patience.
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