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PostPosted: 01/05/10 10:56 am • # 1 
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Yep, the end of of the subject title is "Health Industry Money" ~ anyone surprised? ~ and interesting too that it is ONLY "R" attorney generals in primarily "R" states with "R" governors who are questioning the constitutionality ~ Sooz


Since Democrats secured 60 votes to pass health care reform legislation - and passage became inevitable - prominent conservatives relaunched an under-the-radar campaign to invalidate reform through the legal system. On the eve of the final health care vote in the Senate, Sens. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and John Ensign (R-NV) invoked a "constitutional point of order" to allow the Senate to rule by majority vote on whether the "Democrat health care takeover bill" is unconstitutional. Legislatures in approximately 14 states - organized by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a "business-friendly conservative group that coordinates activity among statehouses - have also introduced initiatives to ratify constitutional amendments that would repeal all or parts of the pending health care reform legislation, and Attorney Generals in at least 13 states are challenging a deal secured by Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) to fund Nebraska's Medicaid expansion for perpetuity.

In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), the attorneys generals from South Carolina, Washington, Michigan, Texas, Colorado, Alabama, North Dakota, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Utah, Florida, Idaho and South Dakota "wrote that they consider the [Nebraska] provision 'constitutionally flawed' and demanded that it be stricken from the final bill."

Yesterday, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) penned an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal explaining "Why the Health-Care Bills Are Unconstitutional." "The policy issues may be coming to an end, but the legal issues are certain to continue because key provisions of this dangerous legislation are unconstitutional," he wrote, and went on to challenge the constitutionality of the individual mandate, the so-called sweet heart deal for Nebraska, and the requirements for states to establish health insurance exchanges and insurance regulations.

The effort may prove a strong political organizing tool for conservative activists, but the legal reasoning has little support beyond the right fringe of the Republican party and the health care industry. Several weeks ago, the New York Times reported, "The states where the [constitutional] amendment has been introduced are also places where the health care industry has spent heavily on political contributions." The industry has also contributed heavily to the campaigns of at least 7 of the 13 attorney generals threatening to sue the federal government over the Nebraska provision. (Campaign finance data was not readily accessible for the other 6 attorneys generals.)

An analysis conducted by the Wonk Room of available campaign finance disclosures for AGs from South Carolina, Washington, Michigan, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Utah and Idaho reveals that the health industry contributed heavily to their campaigns. For instance, Pennsylvania Attorney General Tom Corbett (who is also running for Governor) accepted some $24,300 from the health care industry for his campaigns, including $10,300 from Pfizer PAC, $3,500 from Aetna Inc. PAC, and $2,500 from United Health Group Inc. Read the full analysis here.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/05/con ... th-reform/



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PostPosted: 01/05/10 11:42 am • # 2 
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The health care industry might be buying the chance to have the bill attacked in the courts but it's not funding the challenge. It's the taxpayers of the various states who have that privilege. It's actually a good deal for the industry. Ten or twenty grand into some guy's campaign fund and he runs out and spends millions on legal bills.


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Excellent point, jim ~ I didn't think of that, but there's no doubt that the health industry not only thought of it but are playing that to the hilt ~ that makes the health industry even sleazier in my eyes ~ Image

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PostPosted: 01/05/10 12:35 pm • # 4 
Is it the "health indrustry" as a whole, or just some of the players?

Know thy enemy.


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 2:03 pm • # 5 
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wow. now THERE is a shocker!


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 2:28 pm • # 6 
There are some valid concerns about the constitutionality of some of the provisions, particularly those exempting certain states from requirements contained in the bill, treatment of certain states versus others, and provisions dealing with establishing procedural rules for future consideration of legislation affecting specific provisions in the legislation.


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 3:43 pm • # 7 
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What a bunch of crap.


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 4:31 pm • # 8 
oskar576 wrote:
What a bunch of crap.


What is?


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 4:55 pm • # 9 
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gopqed wrote:
There are some valid concerns about the constitutionality of some of the provisions, particularly those exempting certain states from requirements contained in the bill, treatment of certain states versus others, and provisions dealing with establishing procedural rules for future consideration of legislation affecting specific provisions in the legislation.

how are these factors not an issue with (presumably constitutional) Medicare?


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 5:02 pm • # 10 
Which of those kinds of provisions exist now with Medicare?


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 5:11 pm • # 11 
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gopqed wrote:
Which of those kinds of provisions exist now with Medicare?

see, the public option is the way to go! Image


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PostPosted: 01/05/10 5:18 pm • # 12 
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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:13 am • # 13 
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I can only hope that every politician ( no matter their party) opposed to healthcare reform with a public option winds up with a painful, terminal illness that bankrupts their families before they die. Image


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:42 am • # 14 
The spirit of compromise is alive and well, I see. Image


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:45 am • # 15 

We played nice. You wanted Obama to fail. FU!!

There's the compromise.



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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:48 am • # 16 
it is ONLY "R" attorney generals in primarily "R" states with "R" governors who are questioning the constitutionality

Washington, Michigan, Colorado and Pennsylvania all have Democrats as Governors and are hardly "primarily 'R'" states. South Dakota has a Democrat as Senator and a Democrat rep in the House.

In fact, Washington, Michigan and Pennsylvania are primarily "D" states.


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 3:49 am • # 17 
kathyk1024 wrote:

We played nice. You wanted Obama to fail. FU!!

There's the compromise.


FU, too.

Now we have bipartisanship. Image


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 4:05 am • # 18 
That was Congress not me saying that. No need to personalize.

If one side's whole purpose it to obstruct and the other's to achieve, eventually you are going to have to let the obstructionists fall by the wayside.


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 4:13 am • # 19 

And BTW, this leads back to my original question that I don't think you really answered.

Is healthcare in America a right or a privilege? Rs as evidenced in entertainer Rush's interview with Shatner seem to think it is a privilege, and their actions seems to reflect that.



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PostPosted: 01/06/10 7:49 am • # 20 
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gopqed wrote:
The spirit of compromise is alive and well, I see. Image

Gop, I'm sitting here on day 5 of a nasty, hacking, kept-me-up-all-night-about-to-toss-a-lung-across-the-room cough and I *should* be going to the doctor. Obviously.
I have insurance. They're open. But I can't afford to go thanks to the "catastrophic" health plan my dh's employer dumped on us. Nor can we possibly afford to go out and buy better coverage, because there is no reasonably priced alternative.

So at least for today, this pisses me off even more than usual. I doubt ANY of these people ( or their families) who are hell bent on stopping anything this administration proposes have to worry for even half a second about winding up in this position. Logical or not, I deeply resent that at this moment.


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 8:07 am • # 21 
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gopqed wrote:
The spirit of compromise is alive and well, I see. Image

And you've avoided my prior question to you as well, gop ~ I can think of a lot of R demands ~ and when those demands were met, the goalposts were moved ~ again ~ so exactly what compromise[s] have the Rs made ... about anything?

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PostPosted: 01/06/10 8:19 am • # 22 
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Chaos, are there any walk-in clinics you can go to? ~ or do any of your drugstores offer med services ~ here, some of both Walgreen's and CVSs have "in-house clinics" ~ or talking with a pharmacist might find you some relief ~ I have found that the Mucinex products work great for me ~ ever tried any? ~ 5 days is a long time with your symptoms ~

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Started Mucinex 3 days ago, Sooz.Image I expected to cough a little more once it started to break things up-that's what usually happens-but I'm not making enough progress. (It's usually a combination of some sort of inhaler and Rx cough goo to clear this up.)

I think there is a CVS "minute clinic" near me, but even if they could prescribe something stronger than OTC, and I'm not sure they can, I'd have to leave empty handed. I have no coverage for prescriptions, and the family piggy bank is empty 'till Friday. I'm going to try for an appt. with my doc ( they'll bill me later for that-full price) on Sat AM.


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 10:12 am • # 24 
kathyk1024 wrote:

And BTW, this leads back to my original question that I don't think you really answered.

Is healthcare in America a right or a privilege? Rs as evidenced in entertainer Rush's interview with Shatner seem to think it is a privilege, and their actions seems to reflect that.



Rush Limbaugh's opinion in an interview by William Shatner doesn't indicate what Republicans think any more than Al Sharpton's opinion would reflect what Democrats think.

I can only speak for myself, but my experience is that there are many other Republicans who would agree with me on this issue.

Everybody has a right to access and receive healthcare - It's not a privilege. That doesn't mean an overall government-run health insurance system is justified, or the only way to ensure people can exercise that right.


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PostPosted: 01/06/10 10:16 am • # 25 
gopqed wrote:
kathyk1024 wrote:

We played nice. You wanted Obama to fail. FU!!

There's the compromise.


FU, too.

Now we have bipartisanship. Image


ROTFMAO!!!


HAM AND CHEESE DUDE, HAM AND CHEESE!


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