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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:40 am • # 126 
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sooz08 wrote:
And I believe he is now finally doing just that, oskar ~

As an aside: I think this discussion on Obama is important and I hate to see it get lost in what is tagged as the Perry thread ~ anyone have a problem with a new 'Obama' thread?

Sooz
Hmmm..they aren't really different topics, since Perry IS campaigning on "how horrible Obama is." 


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:45 am • # 127 
 I think pushing back by blaming everything on the republicans has proven not to work.  Look at the midterm elections.  Be honest yes, but offer something to show it can change if we elect him for another 4 years.  Pushing back, imo, would mean standing his ground on issues.  He won't change the minds of the idiots.  Do you think he can get reelected if all he has are the people who always vote democratic?  I think he needs independent voters too and he is turning them off and giving them no reason to vote for him.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:48 am • # 128 
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oskar576 wrote:
So far Obama has been much talk and not much else. Even the so-called "Obamacare", lauded as a great achievement, is poorly written at best. What use is a law that is so poorly crafted that it takes armies of lawyers, bureaucrats and courts to sort it out?

Lots of laws take armies of lawyers, bureaucrats and courts to figure them out. That's the system of checks and balances in action. 

But hey, if you want to do away with all that, and just make Obama king, and let him institute *whatever he wants* regardless of what anyone else thinks and see if it works, I'm all for it. If he's going to take the blame for everything, we should give him the power to DO everything he wants too.

But that's not how this works.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:51 am • # 129 
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Oh, so the reason for crappy laws is the system of checks and balances.
Must be one of those job-creation initiatives.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:53 am • # 130 
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 I think pushing back by blaming everything on the republicans has proven not to work. 

So why does it work when Republicans blame everything on Obama, as if they bear no responsibility for any of it? Republicans made lots of promises during that midterm too...but they're only keeping one...destroy the Democrat POTUS. 

And people reward them for that.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:57 am • # 131 
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oskar576 wrote:
Oh, so the reason for crappy laws is the system of checks and balances.
Must be one of those job-creation initiatives.
Well, since you've already decided healthcare reform is "crappy" and three branches of government is a waste, there's no need to discuss anything further, is there? Image


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 6:59 am • # 132 
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Chaos333 wrote:
 I think pushing back by blaming everything on the republicans has proven not to work. 

So why does it work when Republicans blame everything on Obama, as if they bear no responsibility for any of it? Republicans made lots of promises during that midterm too...but they're only keeping one...destroy the Democrat POTUS. 

And people reward them for that.

While that has been true, Chaos, new polls are showing a significant change in voter mindset ~ the GOP, and especially its TP arm, are getting ravaged in the polls ~ I know that that is only in the polls, not in the voting booth ~ and I also know a gazillion Koch/Rove et al dollars will be spent attempting to modify that mindset ~ but it's a solid foundation for Dems/Obama to work from ~

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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:01 am • # 133 
Chaos333 wrote:
 I think pushing back by blaming everything on the republicans has proven not to work. 

So why does it work when Republicans blame everything on Obama, as if they bear no responsibility for any of it? Republicans made lots of promises during that midterm too...but they're only keeping one...destroy the Democrat POTUS. 

And people reward them for that.
I've said time after time that both sides do it.  The people that reward the repubs are the ones who would support repubs regardless.  Same with the dems who support dems regardless.  That's why the independents are having trouble.  Both sides suck.  No one is offering solutions.  No one is saying why we should vote for them.  Vote for Obama because he sucks less.  No. I consider voting for a person who sucks to be as much a waste as not voting.

  


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:02 am • # 134 
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sooz08 wrote:
Chaos333 wrote:
 I think pushing back by blaming everything on the republicans has proven not to work. 

So why does it work when Republicans blame everything on Obama, as if they bear no responsibility for any of it? Republicans made lots of promises during that midterm too...but they're only keeping one...destroy the Democrat POTUS. 

And people reward them for that.

While that has been true, Chaos, new polls are showing a significant change in voter mindset ~ the GOP, and especially its TP arm, are getting ravaged in the polls ~ I know that that is only in the polls, not in the voting booth ~ and I also know a gazillion Koch/Rove et al dollars will be spent attempting to modify that mindset ~ but it's a solid foundation for Dems/Obama to work from ~

Sooz

  
Obama is also getting ravaged in the polls.
He might want to change his approach to being an executive and start executin'. [img]/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif[/img]


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:04 am • # 135 
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Some people certainly read a whole bunch of stuff that isn't written.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:10 am • # 136 
sooz08 wrote:
Chaos333 wrote:
 I think pushing back by blaming everything on the republicans has proven not to work. 

So why does it work when Republicans blame everything on Obama, as if they bear no responsibility for any of it? Republicans made lots of promises during that midterm too...but they're only keeping one...destroy the Democrat POTUS. 

And people reward them for that.

While that has been true, Chaos, new polls are showing a significant change in voter mindset ~ the GOP, and especially its TP arm, are getting ravaged in the polls ~ I know that that is only in the polls, not in the voting booth ~ and I also know a gazillion Koch/Rove et al dollars will be spent attempting to modify that mindset ~ but it's a solid foundation for Dems/Obama to work from ~

Sooz

  
sooz, Obama's approval ratings are the lowest ever, so he's in no better shape.  People are upset with both parties.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:10 am • # 137 
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Good point, oskar ~ but Obama's lowered numbers [which I'm pretty sure are back over 40 again] are more than double the GOP numbers ~ I also read somewhere [and wish I had posted it] that something like the past 5 or 6 prezzes have hit 39% in their first terms ~

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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:12 am • # 138 
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 No one is offering solutions.  





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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:14 am • # 139 
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I agree, jeanne, that people are upset with both parties ~ that's why I see this as a great opportunity IF [BIG IF] it is managed well ~

Sooz


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:14 am • # 140 
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sooz08 wrote:

Good point, oskar ~ but Obama's lowered numbers [which I'm pretty sure are back over 40 again] are more than double the GOP numbers ~ I also read somewhere [and wish I had posted it] that something like the past 5 or 6 prezzes have hit 39% in their first terms ~

Sooz

Congress in general has the worst numbers around these days, I think. 


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:19 am • # 141 
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Inaccuracies serve little purpose...

http://www.politifact.com...meter/promises/obameter/


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:26 am • # 142 
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There's 8 or more pages to the Obameter, oskar ~ can you narrow down what you find inaccurate/objectionable?

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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:28 am • # 143 
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oskar576 wrote:
Inaccuracies serve little purpose...

http://www.politifact.com...meter/promises/obameter/
Then feel free to research and "correct" each and every one. Just remember, I get to be the judge of how acceptable your sources are. Image 


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:30 am • # 144 
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sooz08 wrote:
There's 8 or more pages to the Obameter, oskar ~ can you narrow down what you find inaccurate/objectionable?

Sooz
Creating the impression that it's all "promise kept" is innacurate in itself.


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:38 am • # 145 
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There are also categories for 'total promises', 'promises broken', 'promises in the works', 'promises not yet rated', etc ~

Sooz


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 7:55 am • # 146 
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Geez...I have to do everything....lol


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 8:55 am • # 147 
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Chaos333 wrote:
It was already done. Pay attention. [img]/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif[/img]


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 9:49 am • # 148 
Chaos, I understand what hs supporters think he has done and what he has done although I agree with oskar that even the halth care bill was half assed.  Some think that's better than nothing.  Some of us think that it would be better to do it right even if it means piece by piece.

Dems are saying he can't get anything done with the repubs in Congress doing what they're doing.  So what he may have done is not the issue for voting in this election.  The solutions I was asking about concern how will he overcome the problems that are keeping him from doing anything now?  Why should I vote for a guy who acknowledges the repubs keep him from doing anything?


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 9:53 am • # 149 
"Why should I vote for a guy who acknowledges the repubs keep him from doing anything?"

Because you may not like the repubs keeping him from doing anything you might want done. Also... isn't a bill that goes half way the same thing as doing it piece by piece?


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PostPosted: 08/17/11 10:07 am • # 150 
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 If he can't get his great ideas through why should he be reelected?  


Because the repugnants have no GREAT ideas. Anyone who can't see that republicans are pathological by this time
 probably won't ever see it until one of the stooges from the right is elected and makes us a 3rd world country.


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