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PostPosted: 01/09/11 7:48 am • # 51 
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Sorry if this was already mentioned ( I skimmed to catch up)....

That poor 9 year old was invited by a neighbor to attend the event because she had just been elected to her student council.

It breaks my heart.


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 7:56 am • # 52 
OMG, that is so so sad.  Poor girl with an entire life to live.  Her family has to be in absolute agony.


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Chaos333 wrote:
Sorry if this was already mentioned ( I skimmed to catch up)....

That poor 9 year old was invited by a neighbor to attend the event because she had just been elected to her student council.

It breaks my heart.

It breaks my heart as well, Chaos ~

Another tidbit about
Christina-Taylor is that she is the granddaughter of Dallas Green, former manager of the Phillies ~

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PostPosted: 01/09/11 8:35 am • # 54 
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Thanks, sooz. I saw a blip last night about "the Philly connection" or some such thing, but didn't hear it out.




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PostPosted: 01/09/11 9:28 am • # 55 
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Just found this floating around FB...I haven't been able to track the source for proper credit. If I do, I'll let you know. 

When you agitate for violent solutions, you don't get to wash your hands of the bloody responsibility when the unhinged take you up on your suggestions.
And the shooter, Jared Loughner, was indeed unhinged. Certainly – at least if the raving paranoid crap he posted on the web is any indicator. I don't know that he was either right or left or somewhere careening down the centerline of Bugshit Street, Crazytown, USA. But I find it typical that because he listed both the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf as his favorite reads, the commenters under Fox, Yahoo, and Palin's Facebook page have decided that he is a “Leftist!â€



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PostPosted: 01/09/11 9:50 am • # 56 
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if ballots don't work, bullets will




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PostPosted: 01/09/11 9:59 am • # 57 
Disgusting!!!


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 10:18 am • # 58 
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the blood of babies is on that wagging finger. she must be so proud.


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 11:30 am • # 59 
Even Former Palin supporter and hardly a mental giant Elisabeth Hasselbeck back in march labeled Palin's gun sight crossfire targeting map " despicable " http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/2 ... 4561.htmlI can't say I am surprised the Palin approach is to lie. I don't know what all played a role in the unstable man acting out with violence. Yet Palin reaps what she sows. It's long past the time she was held accountable for her violence promoting and advocating behavior and that holds true for others of her kind.


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 11:43 am • # 60 
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the more i think about this, the more upset i am getting.

i think i will go prepare a couple of machines for shipment and try to forget about this for a while.


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 12:03 pm • # 61 
I hear gopqed and others use the word ' charismatic ' associated with their Palin. However in my field when we hear that association repeatedly , it is a red flag to make damn sure the person is not characterologically a sociopath.


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 12:28 pm • # 62 
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Chaos, the quote in your post #54 is ... astounding ~ I preach to my kidlets every week that 'actions have consequences' ~ it's well past time for [alleged] adults to learn that too ~ it's an incredibly important lesson, especially for the 'enablers' spewing the violent rhetoric incessantly ~

Sooz

P.S. As a personal aside, whenever I say 'actions have consequences', the kidlets in my groups respond in unison, saying "We know, Ms Sooz ~ peace, love, and rock 'n roll is the way to live" ~ I just smile and agree ~ 


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 1:19 pm • # 63 
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I'd have a blast being one of your kidlets, Sooz. 

Speaking of kids....a little about our youngest victim...


Christina-Taylor Died of a Single Gunshot to the Chest, Mom Says

At just 9 years old, Christina-Taylor Green already had big plans to one day serve her country.

Christina-Taylor, who was the youngest of the six victims shot and killed Saturday during the shooting spree outside a Tucson, Ariz., grocery store, had gone to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' political event to "learn more about politics," according to her mother, Roxanna Green.

"As young as she was, Christina-Taylor talked about getting all the parties to come together so we could live in a better country," Green told ABC News. "She was going to Giffords' event to ask questions about how she could help and to learn more about politics in our country."

"She was proud of her country and wanted to know more about the political process," she said. "She was a beautiful girl inside and out."

Christina-Taylor, the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green, was taken to Giffords' informal town hall meeting by a neighbor who was considered her pseudo-aunt, said her mother.

She died on the scene from a single bullet wound to her chest, when alleged gunman Jared Loughner opened fire, shooting a total of 20 people.

"She had a great morning, she got up early yesterday morning and was talking about the event, and how excited she was," said Green of her daughter's final hours. "She was very mature for her age."

Christina-Taylor was born on 9/11 and had used her birthdate as a source of inspiration during her short life. She was featured in a book about babies born on 9/11 called "Faces of Hope."

"She was very interested in politics since she was a little girl," Green said. "I think that being born on 9/11 had a lot to do with that."

"She always thought about how she was born on 9/11, and she saw the positive in it," Green said. "She thought of it as a day of hope and change, a chance for the country to come together to be united."

The little girl's father, John Green, called the tragedy "disappointing."

"She came into the world on 9/11 and then at 9 years old she leaves it all on this terrible day," said John Green. "But we wouldn't take it back any of the 9 years we had with her."

"It was all worth it," he said. "But we still believe in this country."

Third grade had already been off to a good start for Christina-Taylor, who was recently elected student council president at Mesa Verde Elementary School.

In addition to politics, Christina-Taylor loved to dance and was the only girl on her baseball team, the Pirates, in what is otherwise an all-boys little league.

"She was very popular, she was a girly girl as well as as a tomboy," Green said. "She had done ballet for many years and gymnastics, and wanted to be a cheerleader."

Raised in an observant Catholic household, Christina-Taylor had just received her first communion at the St. Odilia's Catholic Church, where she was also a member of the choir.

In her free time, Christina-Taylor loved to take care of her older brother, 11-year-old Dallas who has Asperger's Syndrome, which is on the spectrum of autism disorders.

"She always was very strong and positive for him," Green said.

The Phillies issued a statement on Christina-Taylor's death writing, "The Phillies organization expresses our heartfelt condolences to Dallas and Sylvia and the entire Green family on the senseless, tragic loss of Christina's life."

"She was a talented young girl with a bright promising future. Her untimely death weighs heavily on our hearts," read the statement. "Our thoughts and prayers are with all the families affected by yesterday's horrific shooting."

A Facebook group in memory of Christina-Taylor has been inundated by messages left by strangers devastated over the young girl's death.

One person wrote, "There are no words to comfort the loss of a child by needless violence. May time heal your pain."

Another message read, "From Joint Base Balad, Iraq -- my deepest condolences to the family over the loss of this young patriot and hero. With much sadness, very respectfully James J. Galluzzo III, Major US Army."

Green said she hopes that her daughter's death brings change to the political landscape in the United States.

"All I want is awareness and change, just like Christina would," Green said.

"Things like this should never, ever happen again," she said. "I want there to be a stop for the violence and hatred and all the bashing of politicians isn't not helping, and it's not working."





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beautiful kid. what a waste.


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PostPosted: 01/09/11 3:41 pm • # 66 
America is a very violent country. It's politics reflect the society.

The death of the little girl is a tragedy. There are thousands more just like her around the world.

I think her death may not be in vain if it causes people to understand how easily ruthless people, with the will to use violence and force to achieve their ends, can take power over a population whose numbers are far greater than those who gained power over them.

The hate speech, the constant threats to use 'second amendment rights' to overturn elections that don't go the way cons want them to, the near complete lack of decency brought to our political discourse by ranting right wingers, should be stopped. Every American should want that.

Then again, every Americans should want truth and honesty to prevail. Honor should mean more than financial gain. Human decency should be the norm and not something rarely seen. Tough talking shouldn't be a substitute for rational thinking and appropriate actions.

American problems stem from ignorance. It is ignorance that allows uninformed people to be misinformed by those ruthless people who desire power above all else. It is ignorance that allows people to believe that those who disagree are beneath contempt and are enemies who deserve death.

It is usually ignorance that forms the 'shock troops' which are used by the aforementioned 'ruthless' people to subjugate the majority.

I am not confident that the great mass of Americans can or will see the reality of what is going on around them.


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Excellent and thought-provoking post, Thack ~ ignorance, most especially willful ignorance, is our greatest hurdle ~ over the weekend, I had saved and intended to post an op-ed from the editor of Truthout's Buzzflash Daily Headlines that I get via email subscription ~ your post provides the perfect lead-in ~ and the linked William Rivers Pitt piece is terrific as well ~ I'll post that next ~ Sooz
 

"Where does one start in the wake of the political killing spree that occurred in Arizona on Saturday?

With John Wilkes Booth putting a bullet into the head of Abraham Lincoln?

With the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy?

With the shooting of Martin Luther King?

The right-wing culture of hate and implicit coded call to kill the enemy, as if on a mission from God, is a subset of our larger national culture of violence.

From our policy of maintaining superpower status through wars and coups to going back to the conquest of America by the slaughter of Native Americans, we have had a history of a large segment of our population that views violence as a remedy for personal and political grievances - as well as the fulfillment of ideological goals. For them, "putting down your enemy" is as American as apple pie.

Whenever it comes to political assassinations - and the senior federal judge of Arizona was killed on Saturday, along with the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the deaths of others - the shills for the establishment of a Christian-white-male-ruled authoritarian society try to distance themselves from the "crazy people" who heed their call and pull the trigger.

Truthout's William Rivers Pitt so poignantly described the devastating results of such a grotesque dynamic in terms of how effective it is as a strategy. The liberal leadership of the '60s was killed off, leaving the country to veer right. As Pitt laments, "Imagine what the Democratic Party would be like today if this generation of leadership had been able to enjoy the privilege of that generation's wisdom."

The violence-inciters kill more than individuals; they murder the heart of a nation's dreams and aspirations.

This can also be called terrorism.

Mark Karlin
Editor, BuzzFlash at Truthout"



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Here is the Pitt op-ed linked in my above post ~ IMO, a very powerful read ~ Sooz

Thinking About Bobby

by: William Rivers Pitt, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

Last week, I kicked President Obama squarely in the teeth for his decision to abdicate the economic argument to the GOP by wasting everyone's time with a freeze of Federal wages, his absurd apology for causing the noxious tenor that has defined the political conversation in America of late, his pathetic willingness to wave the white flag on the issue of Bush's rich-people tax cuts, and worst of all, the revelation that he and his people actively thwarted a genuine search for justice that is most sorely needed: the investigation into war crimes perpetrated by the Bush administration, initiated by the Spanish government before being derailed by the Obama administration.

In retrospect, I think I actually went soft on him and the people currently polluting the White House with their abject inability to get out of their own way. I make no apologies, and am now of a mind to spend the next two years in full attack mode - no quarter given, none expected - if they continue to behave the way they did last week....last month...and, yeah, this whole last year. Sure, the president and his crew can claim some moments of success here and there, but the overall picture being painted thus far is that of an administration hopelessly in over its head, bereft of direction and integrity, drowning like a bunch of toddlers who wandered into the deep end of the pool without their water wings.

Mr. Obama, for all his myriad faults and failures, does not deserve to shoulder the entire budget of blame, however. The entire Democratic Party, with a few notable exceptions (of late: Grayson, Franken, Feingold, the lost Mr. Wellstone, and Dean, to name a few), has been in the weeds since time almost out of mind.

Why?

I can think of a few reasons. The pervasive corruption caused by the damfool idea that "Money = Speech," validated by Supreme Court decisions like Buckley v. Valeo in 1976 and the larger caustic concept that corporations are people - with the same rights and privileges of people - created a scenario where everyone involved in national power politics is bought, and so nobody is guilty. They have to be, if they want to get anywhere...but once they get somewhere, they're already gone. The so-called "liberal" Democratic Party has been as much at that filthy trough as any of the worst Republicans who could be named. The difference is only a matter of inches; they are all bought and paid for to one degree or another, and that unavoidable fact defines our current political reality as solidly as slavery defined the American political realm 150 years ago...except this time, we are the slaves - white, black, brown, men, women, gay, straight...everyone who lacks a seven-figure bankroll - all of us wreathed in chains we cannot see, even as those chains restrain us fully and rob us of our freedom completely.

I also have an idea to explain why an entire generation of Democrats haven't been worth a pot of piss, compared to those who came before. It has to do with five bullets, and the aftermath of that violence.

The GOP, for the last fifty years, has enjoyed the privilege of a brain-trust comprised of some seriously heavy hitters. Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, Henry Kissinger, along with any number of what Hunter S. Thompson once called "awesome political mechanics," have been on speed-dial to GOP headquarters since before the time of Reagan. Love them or hate them (and I'm no fan, believe me), but those men represented a vast ocean of political experience that was available to be tapped at any time of day or night. They are all mostly gone now, but that core of Wise-Old-Man leadership paid incredible dividends for the Republicans over the last five decades.

The Democrats, on the other hand, have been bereft of similar white-haired wisdom, thanks to five kill-shots that stole away individuals who, had they not been murdered, would have been an invaluable source of strategic thinking and backbone for the party. John Kennedy died in Dallas. His brother Robert died on a dirty kitchen floor in Los Angeles. Medgar Evers died in his driveway. Malcolm X - who, just before his murder, was moving away from open confrontation on the subject of race but still retained a level of intimidation and justified fury that demanded respect - was shot down after his Hajj compelled him to find a way past hatred and division. And, of course, Martin Luther King, who died in Memphis while standing up for garbage men, and the rest of us as well.

Jack. Bobby. Medgar. Malcolm. Martin.

Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang.

Imagine what the Democratic Party would be like today if this generation of leadership had been able to enjoy the privilege of that generation's wisdom. At a minimum, having a man like Dr. King, who preached about economic inequalities as eloquently as he preached about racial inequalities (because, in the end, those inequalities amount to the same thing), being available on the phone to talk something over, might have saved the current Democratic Party from selling itself to corporations. Having a man like Robert Kennedy, who went from being a right-bent Red-chaser and architect of the war in Vietnam to being an advocate for the poor and for peace, might have saved today's Democrats from drowning all too deeply in the blood and death of Iraq and Afghanistan. Alas, we lost them, and here we are. It's enough to make one believe in conspiracies...but I digress.

It's a degraded age we live in, a time that many have been describing as the collapse of all that ever was America. It's a hell of a time to be alive, a time that reminds one of the Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times." It is a curse, indeed, and those of us who cleave to liberal and progressive ideals feel entirely abandoned, betrayed, demoralized...pick the word, and it will fit. Take the long view, however, and it becomes clear that this is not something that came about because of Mr. Obama or the current crop of "liberal" leaders. They are merely avatars of a long-festering cancer. We have been without effective leadership for the length of this generation, and in a republic, that lack of leadership is the equivalent of having our throats cut. We have no voice within the leadership caste, and we are dying in a pool of our own American blood.

And yet, even now, I do believe the wisdom of those lost leaders can save us, restore our leadership, and bring us out of this darkness. Even now, I think about Bobby Kennedy, who was himself a walking contradiction, an example of the way leaders can function in a disreputable vein, change course, and finally emerge as true progressive leaders.

Had Bobby Kennedy died in that car with his brother in Dallas in 1963, modern liberals would not have a favorable opinion of him, I suspect. He allied himself with Joseph McCarthy during the Red-baiting era. He gutted the power of unions with his vendetta against Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters. He owned a much-deserved reputation as a ruthless assassin during his time as John F. Kennedy's campaign manager, and in his time as Attorney General during his brother's truncated administration. He was one of the principal architects of the assassination of Diem and the Vietnam War that followed. His wife and children loved him, but in the first half of his time in politics, very few others did. Robert Kennedy enjoyed a reputation for being a brass-bottomed bastard for many, many years.

For sure, the modern Left would have little love for him had his career come to an end in 1963. But then his brother died, and something happened.

Bobby retreated into himself to nurse the unimaginable agony of yet another traumatic family loss. When he emerged, he journeyed to the poverty-raped places in America we only hear about in Woody Guthrie songs. He explored the abscess of poverty and racial inequality. He took a long look at the Vietnam War he helped create. He came to know the true nature of pain by way of his own sense of unspeakable loss.

And he came out the other side a different man, a genuine progressive.

A leader.

A book from 2008 by Thurston Clarke titled "The Last Campaign: Robert F. Kennedy and 82 Days that Inspired America," describes a scene from the earliest moments of Bobby's 1968 presidential campaign. Kennedy was to speak at Kansas State University. His advisors were understandably concerned about the content of his speech - KSU was, and remains, a reliably conservative university - but Bobby went out and laid it on the line.

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He opened his attack on President Johnson's Vietnam policy with a confession and an apology. "Let me begin this discussion with a note both personal and public," he said. "I was involved in many of the early decisions on Vietnam, decisions which helped set us on our present path."

He acknowledged that "the effort may have been doomed from the start" and admitted that the South Vietnamese governments that his brother had supported had been "riddled with corruption, inefficiency and greed," adding, "If that is the case, as it well may be, then I am willing to bear my share of responsibility, before history and before my fellow-citizens. But past error is no excuse for its own perpetuation. Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom...Now, as ever, we do ourselves best justice when we measure ourselves against ancient texts, as in the Antigone of Sophocles: 'All men make mistakes, but a good man yields when he knows his course is wrong, and repairs the evil. The only sin is pride.'"

His apology elicited the loudest cheers of the morning, perhaps because these students appreciated hearing an adult admit to a mistake, or because they, too, had been wrong.

"I am willing to bear my share of responsibility, before history and before my fellow-citizens."

"Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom."

"All men make mistakes, but a good man yields when he knows his course is wrong, and repairs the evil."

"The only sin is pride."

Imagine that.

Imagine a leader able to stand before God and the people to proclaim the depth and breadth of their own personal failures. Imagine them able to say they were wrong, and they have changed, and here now is how it should be instead. Imagine the cheers from a modern American audience that has, all too often, shared in those bad choices, both in opinion and at the ballot box, and can find within themselves the ability to admit those errors and move in a better direction because they have a leader before them willing to do the same.

Imagine a leader.

The Democrats once enjoyed the presence of Bobby Kennedy. They would do well to remember him today. The same lessons are available to Republicans, if they have ears to hear.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, it is not too late.

http://www.truth-out.org/thinking-about-bobby65677



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