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PostPosted: 01/22/11 6:25 am • # 1 
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YIKES ~ I'm working with 5th and 6th graders this year ~ the girls have started to develop ~ and hormones are obviously kicking into gear in both the girls and boys ~ the kidlets, teachers, and I are all facing new challenges ~ but ... 2d graders??? ~ I do NOT understand how any teacher could 'not notice' kids stripping down and/or engaging in oral sex in a classroom ~ Image ~ Sooz

Calif school eyes accounts of sex by 2nd graders
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OAKLAND, Calif. – A second-grade teacher in Northern California was placed on leave while a school and police investigate accounts by students that classmates engaged in oral sex and stripped off some of their clothes during class, officials said Friday.

The investigation was under way at Markham Elementary School in Oakland, where the principal notified parents of the situation in a letter Thursday.

"We believe if the reports are true, there was a serious lapse of judgment or lack of supervision in the classroom," said Troy Flint, a spokesman for the Oakland Unified School District. "We're investigating how could this have happened. It seems unthinkable to us, just the same way it does to the public."

The male teacher, whose name has not been released, told investigators he did not see any of the acts that authorities suspect occurred last week. The teacher is barred from campus at least until the investigation is completed.

The principal learned of the allegations Wednesday after a student gave an account to a teacher's assistant, Flint said.

"Upon hearing these reports, we immediately launched an investigation which, to date, suggests that the reports have merit," Principal Pam Booker wrote in the letter to parents. "We have interviewed all the student participants who were implicated, as well as their teacher, and we continue to investigate the matter aggressively."

One incident involved several students who partially undressed and acted disruptively during class, while the other involved students who engaged in oral sex, district officials said.

"I apologize for this and assure you that we are collaborating with counselors and parents to provide support to those involved, address any concerns and take whatever actions are necessary to ensure that a similar act does not occur again," Booker told parents in the letter.

Counselors were at the school Friday to speak with students.

District officials emphasized the students were not accused of any wrongdoing.

"It's an incident of kids expressing their natural curiosity that went too far because an adult didn't step in," Flint said.

Some parents said they were outraged when they received the letter and saw the story on the news.

"It kind of scares me to know that the teachers aren't really watching them," said Ane Musuva, who has two children at Markham. "I don't want my kids growing up in this type of environment."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_classroom_sex



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PostPosted: 01/22/11 7:10 am • # 2 
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If there was/is lack of supervision, then that reflects on the principal's lack of administrative qualities which, in turn, reflects on the school board that selects those principals, but hey, it's all one person's fault.


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PostPosted: 01/22/11 5:17 pm • # 3 
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I'd love to hear more about this issue.  What led up to it, what challenges exist in that classroom, who knew about the challenges, and what support was given to troubled students and their teacher.  How many children are in that class?  Are there children recieving support for behaviour, or social work intervention, and if they aren't, should they be?  are they on a waiting list for that kind of help?  has the teacher been asking and not getting it?  How new was this teacher?  was this a case of brand new teacher gets the worst streamed class?  If the teacher was new, how much support were they getting--mentor and supervisor?


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PostPosted: 01/23/11 7:06 pm • # 4 
I can almost understand kids shucking clothes and acting disruptively (for a few moments) in a classroom before "order" being restored, but did the oral sex occur in the classroom?  From the op, I gather the reports came from the students--did the teacher not report such behavior as oral sex if it occurred in his classroom? Was the teacher present?  2nd graders?  Good grief...


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PostPosted: 01/24/11 1:34 am • # 5 
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I have met second graders that are capable of doing this.  If it's witnessed at home....I mean, we get kids from all kinds of families, including families with drug problems, and kids that are sexually abused.  Children act out what they see.

It sounds like the teacher was not in control of the class, for sure.  I guess i'm wondering how long he had been out of control of the class, and whether or not he'd been trying to access help before this.

It's hard to believe, but it's possible.  The expectation in primary classrooms now is that the children be trained to work independently or in pairs or small groups while the teachers meet with other small groups, especially for reading.  And classrooms do have blind spots.  The students in my class often pair read under our computer table--it's a favourite spot.  There's a couple of other "blind spots" in the classroom.  I can see how it would be possible.  In the group of kids i have, it's extremely unlikely--I can't see any of them doing this.  The worst that happens is that they fool around and don't get their reading done--and then they get loud and I interrupt my group to tell them to get back to work.  But I've been doing this for a few years.  The first year I ran my groups, it was very chaotic.  I made a lot of compromises when it came to classroom management, just to get the guided reading in.

There's no question this is an extreme case.  But, with personell and classroom support at an all time low....I guess I can hypothetically see how it could happen.


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PostPosted: 01/24/11 2:48 am • # 6 
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It's an all too familiar scenario.
The school board/administration invent methods/policies that virtually guarantee failure (usually some form of micro-management) and then find a scapegoat when that failure occurs.


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PostPosted: 01/24/11 3:23 am • # 7 
Differentiated instruction and group work is in  so kids are broken up to work independently while the teacher works with other groups of kids.  

When I was in second grade back in 1960, we had reading groups and teachers didn't see everything happening in their classroom.  I remember George Broscious stealing and breaking Dorothy Hoffman's sunglasses and throwing them in my desk while I was upfront in reading and all the drama that incurred from that.  

Oral sex is a little more extreme, but in the day that could have occurred in the cloak room whatever.


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PostPosted: 01/24/11 4:15 am • # 8 
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Another thing to consider is the teacher saw it and was at a loss how to handle it. Approach the children, he/she could have very well been accused of sexual abuse these days. Yell at them, the same thing. Teachers are walking on eggshells for fear of accusations of that sort. Hard to know how to handle this type of situation. 2nd graders are a lot more savvy and cunning than we were at that age.


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PostPosted: 01/24/11 4:28 am • # 9 
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I'd like to know exactly what they mean by "stripping"and "oral sex".  Those are pretty graphic terms. 

But let's remember that a 6 year old kid with a Boy Scout cutlery set got kicked out of school for having a "weapon".

Not to diminish how unacceptable this is, if proven true-but kids that age "playing doctor in the coat room" isn't really unusual or abnormal. 



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PostPosted: 01/24/11 5:00 am • # 10 
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Chaos333 wrote:
I'd like to know exactly what they mean by "stripping"and "oral sex".  Those are pretty graphic terms. 

But let's remember that a 6 year old kid with a Boy Scout cutlery set got kicked out of school for having a "weapon".

Not to diminish how unacceptable this is, if proven true-but kids that age "playing doctor in the coat room" isn't really unusual or abnormal. 



That was my point, sort of.  It's like the things that were normal for kids in my day (the stone age lol) are now under the umbrella of some pretty damaging words such as those. That's why teachers must be so careful in how they handle them.


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