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PostPosted: 12/15/11 5:38 pm • # 26 
This is really great news.


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PostPosted: 12/15/11 5:44 pm • # 27 
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there will be all kinds of legal challenges flying back and forth.  Repubs would now like to disband the Government Accountability Board that verifies signatures (I haven't heard legislation introduced to do that, but the repub radio mouthpieces are talking about it), and I think is separately suing the board in case that doesn't work They'll move heaven and earth to prevent the election, since there is so much at stake. Governor's seat and senate majority. Really interesting situation. 

Oh yes, almost forgot - Repubs are suing to have their redistricting scheme in place earlier than what statute requires, so they can take advantage of the re-gerrymandering they did earlier this year.


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PostPosted: 12/15/11 5:49 pm • # 28 
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awesome.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 4:08 am • # 29 
grampatom wrote:
there will be all kinds of legal challenges flying back and forth.  Repubs would now like to disband the Government Accountability Board that verifies signatures (I haven't heard legislation introduced to do that, but the repub radio mouthpieces are talking about it), and I think is separately suing the board in case that doesn't work They'll move heaven and earth to prevent the election, since there is so much at stake. Governor's seat and senate majority. Really interesting situation. 

Oh yes, almost forgot - Repubs are suing to have their redistricting scheme in place earlier than what statute requires, so they can take advantage of the re-gerrymandering they did earlier this year.
It sounds like the repubs are getting desperate. What are their chances in the face of an obviously motivated electorate?


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 4:25 am • # 30 
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United Wisconsin also announced they are upping their signature collection goal to 720,277

That's huge... something like 20% of eligible voters.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 5:21 am • # 31 
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It's still a long shot, IMO. Under the law, there are no limits to contributions to an office holder facing recall. The limits of money from individuals, corporations, etc. apply do not apply in this case. Kochs could spend 2 billion dollars if they wanted to, and buy up every minute of TV ad time available. At the moment, Walker has already amassed over $3 mil, recall side has only something like $700 k. I don't know whether there are limits on their fund raising.  Repub party will file multiple lawsuits challenging the legitimacy of the recall itself, every aspect of its implementation, e.g. signature gathering, actions of the Accountability Board, etc.

They've already filed lawsuit alleging the handling of signature checking violates the governor's 14th amendment rights. I believe that if and when the recall side wins the election, the whole thing will have to be fought again in the courts. Look for the Repubs to try to have the recall invalidated on grounds of misconduct by the Government Accountability board, which consists of 7 retired judges, who may not have been involved in partisan politics for a period of something like 7 years prior to their appointment by the legislature (not sure just now how many years, but the point is they are chosen for not being partisan on behalf of either party).

Lots and lots at stake, not just for Wisconsin politics, but for the Republicans nationally, for the American conservative movement, e.g. Koch Brothers' various political arms and many others like them.  Also a lot at stake for the various social conservative organizations, such as the various anti-abortion organizations. Of course there's also a lot at stake for Democrats, pro-choice groups, labor union movement, etc. It's actually a contest between The Conservative Movement and The Progressive Movement, as these two exist today. But especially the fanatically conservative side will make this a huge cause and have the money to pour in.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 5:36 am • # 32 
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It's actually a contest between The Conservative Regressive Movement and The Progressive Movement, as these two exist today.

My take on it.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 6:43 am • # 33 
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At least one post got vanished here.  The question was asked whether the republicans' legal maneuvering would help them in the face of an enerigized citizenry.
Whoops, there it is.  Never mind.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 7:35 am • # 34 
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the board is totally bizarre today. i can't deal with it. i will try back, later.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 8:39 am • # 35 
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I'm thinking Mike Tate's take on this is exactly correct ~ but I agree with Gramps that the GOP/TP won't quit until they've exploited every single avenue ~ which is not necessarily a bad thing ~ let them waste their time/energy/money on it ~ Sooz

Wis Dems To Intervene In GOP Lawsuit Challenging Recall Process

On a conference call with reporters on Friday, Wisconsin Democrats announced that they will seek to become a party in the lawsuit that the state Republicans filed on Thursday, in which the GOP claimed that aspects of the recall process targeting Gov. Scott Walker are a violation of Walker's rights.

“Next week, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin will file a motion to intervene in the spurious and flailing lawsuit in Waukesha by Scott Walker's dead-end Republican allies trying to forestall the inevitable recall against him,â€



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PostPosted: 12/21/11 5:15 am • # 36 
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Extremely strong and pointed affirmative defenses ~ Sooz

Wis Dems File Rebuttal To GOP Lawsuit Against Recall Procedures

A copy of the filing, made in the names of the Committee to Recall Walker and other organizers, was sent to TPM by the state Democratic Party.

The state GOP's lawsuit filed Thursday afternoon against the state Government Accountability Board, which oversees elections in the state, claims that Walker's 14th Amendment rights of Equal Protection are violated by putting a burden on his campaign to review and challenge petition signatures within a ten-day period. Instead, they say, the GAB must make a greater effort to look for duplicate signatures, and for invalid names and addresses. (The petitions will be filed in mid-January, which will then kick off the review process. The same procedures were used in a series of state Senate recalls, on both sides of the aisle, earlier this year.)

The motion to intervene from Team Recall argues that they have interests as the people working to bring about a recall as soon as possible, and thus have a stake in the outcome of a challenge to the rules under which they have been working. In addition, they lay out in detail their opposing argument to Team Walker's legal case.

They say that Walker's campaign has the same rights as any other incumbent who has been challenged to review and challenge signatures under long-established procedures — and that if they are unable to do so, it is only due to their own lack of preparation and use of their resources on other causes. Thus, the filing says, Walker is not entitled to have the established rules changed in his favor.

But going beyond that, they make an accusation against the GOP: Misconstruing and distorting the rules and the GAB's statements, and giving the impression that many false signatures would be accepted, in order to create distrust in the process.

Key quote from the filing:

[quote]AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES

l) The complaint fails to state a claim for which relief may be granted.

2) The “injuriesâ€


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