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PostPosted: 11/17/11 3:36 pm • # 1 
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Stunningly ... despicable ... reprehensible ... craven ~ WTF is wrong with these people? ~ Image ~ Sooz

Michigan Republicans Push ‘Fetal Remains' Bill That Traumatizes Women Who Miscarry

Michigan Republicans have seized on a bogus story about abandoned fetal remains to push through a bill that callously disregards the feelings of women who have to abort wanted pregnancies for medical reasons.

RH Reality Check explains that here was never any proof to support an anti-abortion activist's claim of finding fetal remains in an abortion clinic's dumpster, but the anti-abortion lobby has nevertheless used the story as an excuse to propose an unprecedented bill about the disposal of fetuses.

Laura Berman of the Detroit News reports that as a result of the bill, one of the first questions hospitals may ask women who have just miscarried or had still births is “what do you want to do with the fetus?â€



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PostPosted: 11/17/11 5:28 pm • # 2 
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Is this just an extension of the Mississippi law about when life begins?

Next thing you know, a woman's period "accessories" will have to be disposed of with a complete burial or cremation. I can just see it now. Women all over the country being forced to purchase some sort of "sacred" oven to keep in the yard, which will have to be blessed by a clergy member and inspected quarterly to ensure it is being used. If that is not acceptable, an "egg" cemetery, complete with markers "Here lies egg number 1". No more flushing or trash cans for the sacred egg soaked materials! Image

Sorry for being a tad gross, but this nonsense is so ridiculous, I had to add my own extended future version of their insanity.


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 12:42 am • # 3 
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These Republicans are real loony tunes or are simply a bunch of liars and con artists.
How can they claim to be fiscally responsible and waste the taxpayers' money on shyte legislation like this?
One would have to be retarded to vote for these lowlifes.


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 2:50 am • # 4 
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Is this just an extension of the Mississippi law about when life begins?

Next thing you know, a woman's period "accessories" will have to be disposed of with a complete burial or cremation. I can just see it now. Women all over the country being forced to purchase some sort of "sacred" oven to keep in the yard, which will have to be blessed by a clergy member and inspected quarterly to ensure it is being used. If that is not acceptable, an "egg" cemetery, complete with markers "Here lies egg number 1". No more flushing or trash cans for the sacred egg soaked materials! Image

Sorry for being a tad gross, but this nonsense is so ridiculous, I had to add my own extended future version of their insanity.
I have an idea. Do you really want to freak these people out? Have some sort of Wiccan ritual out in front of any "christian" church every time a woman ovulates. Then make the legitimate claim that it's a ritual for the cleansing of the woman's soul and a prayer for the "unborn".  And then... sit back and watch the fire burn under their "christian" hats. You see... it's not about the unborn babies - it's about their self-righteous oh-so-holy christianity.


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 3:42 am • # 5 
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Good idea, Sid.
They could start by lesbians doing the "ritual" in front of the Westboro Baptist Church.


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 4:13 am • # 6 
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Pardon me for being graphic, but, I am about to die and, on this issue, I DO have experience.

I lost my first pregnancy at 8 weeks.

Since it was during a trip to the bathroom, and I was shocked to see I was bleeding, I hurriedly cleaned myself up and called my husband to take me to the doctor.  What I had lost, I FLUSHED?  When I reached the hospital, it turned out I had lost everything.

Now, being, at that time, a practicing Catholic, I feared I may have commited some horrible sin by not having had whatever it was that I losts blessed by a priest.  Like, had I sentenced my unborn child to pergutory for all eternity.

The priest informed me that I had done no wrong, committed n o sin, as what had been lost was not yet a living human and therefore had no soul.  He added, there is no human life until God gives it the bvreath of lilfe.

Now this was just a parish priest, not the pope, not even an arch bishhip.   But that was his assessment of what was acceptable to the Roman Catholic Church at the time.

My aunt, a generation before me, was also a practicing Catholic, lost four pregnanciees to miscarriage, and, although she was visited, for comfort, by the priests in the hospital, there was never any discussion of a funderal, or a burial, or a cremation, or whatever.  I never heard of my aunt being required to bring "something home from the hospital," and bury it in the backyard, like a dead puppy.

I think your early thoughts of having to dispose of monthly eggs in some ritualistic fashion is excellelnt.

The undertakers don't make enough money now?  Is that it?  I wonder who is lobbying the hardest to bury a teaspoonfull of tissue and what will be the basic charge to cremate same.

Sorry for the graphic nature, but, dammit, this is just plain ridiculous, and even more disgusting to be offered as an intelligent human activity thqn my graphic discription of revulsion.

I hope someone does start selling "Sacred Egg Disposal Vessels," boldly and blatantly.  I hope they put symbols on them.   Crosses.  Little Madonnas?  Make parents buy "tickets" to paradise for the little container.   And then have a van driving around with clouds and angels and collect a fee for picking the destroyed eggs.  Yeah.   That sounds like a real good job for a whole bunch of people out of work.  Run to your nearest funeral home.  They're gonna need a whole lot of help.

And gues where the stuff is going to end up, no matter whether it is flushed, burned, buried, or put into a landfill.?  And then I can't' wait for the number of police and crime scene specialists who are going to have to take into custody and examine any thing that even remoterly resembles bloody tissue to make sure it isn't a "murder," or an embryo which has been d isposed of without due worshipful respect.  Never mind the anquish of the mother who has lost a child.

Sometimes I wish I could be a believer again so I could say, "Oh, Please, God.  Help us.  Stop this madness.  Please."  and think that there was any help anywhere that could or would respond.  If God could not stop what happened in the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the Holocaust,  Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Somalia, Sri Linka, 9/11 and all of the other slaughters, then there is ample evidence for me to conclude there is no perfect loving being who has the least interest in the affairs of human life.



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PostPosted: 11/18/11 4:26 am • # 7 
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Nobody I know favors abortion ~ what I/we favor is not interfering in others' choices to do what is best for themselves ~ and, being a realist, I recognize that there will be some who choose to abort for a wide variety of reasons ~ including rape, incest, and medically-determined extreme birth defects ~ here's what I don't get ~

Why is an undeveloped mass of cells life more valuable than the mother's life? ~ isn't that mindset itself "a death panel" of sorts? ~ why do the alleged "pro lifers", especially the most rabid, only care about the fetus and not the baby once born? ~ I'm not talking about them adopting, but there is that too ~ I'm talking less about personal commitments and more about things like slashing WIC assistance ~ and "outlawing" birth control is beyond my comprehension ~ why punish people who are being responsible? ~ and if the goal is to end any sexual activity that impedes fertilization, will masturbation be the next sexual act to become the crime du jour?

Here's a news flash for the radical "pro lifers" ~ sex is here to stay ~ it's natural ~ it's normal ~ it's biologic ~ it's fun ~ my suggestion to the radical "pro lifers" is to police themselves and to butt out of what others do since that is clearly not their business ~

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PostPosted: 11/18/11 4:31 am • # 8 
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Another stellar post, JD ~ Image

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PostPosted: 11/18/11 4:37 am • # 9 
"If God could not stop what happened in the Crusades, the Spanish inquisition, the Holocaust, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Somalia, Sri Linka, 9/11 and all of the other slaughters, then there is ample evidence for me to conclude there is no perfect loving being who has the least interest in the affairs of human life."

Amen.


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 6:38 am • # 10 
The undertakers don't make enough money now?  Is that it?  I wonder who is lobbying the hardest to bury a teaspoonfull of tissue and what will be the basic charge to cremate same. (JD)

That was my very first thought when I read this op!  Siiigh:  I didn't think in religious terms (though perhaps I should have) or moral terms, etc. but cynic that I am, my very first thought was "I wonder if the undertakers/funeral directors are lobbying for this bill?"   I too evidently accidentally "flushed" my first pregnancy, at 10 wks...


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Pardon me for being graphic, but, I am about to die and

Saywhatnow??? I sure hope you mean in general, as in getting older....Image


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 7:04 am • # 12 
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What is it with Repubs/TPers obsession with uteruses anyway?  


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 7:06 am • # 13 
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laffinalltheway wrote:
What is it with Repubs/TPers obsession with uteruses anyway?  
Their bible says they should be.


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 3:26 pm • # 14 
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Pardon me for being graphic, but, I am about to die and

Saywhatnow??? I sure hope you mean in general, as in getting older....Image
I sooo missed the opening sentence of JD's post--please clarify JD....while we're all "about to die" it is hopefully not soon!
  


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 9:08 pm • # 15 
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Sorry.  I was doing my Bugs Bunny whine before an imaginary Elmer Fudd with his everpresent blunderbuss, always aimed at Bugs Bunny, but always misses.

"Oh, please Mr. Hunter, please don't kill me.   I'm dyin' already.  I ain't had nuthin' to eat for days until I just took this one little carrot.  Please just let me go.    I'll just starve to death."

Of course befuddled Mr. Fudd's soft heart is touched and he ends up weeping copious tears at the unfortunate wabbit and the wabbit gets away.

I suppose  there's a reason I'm thinking about dying, but my personality is such, my survival methods rely a whole lot on finding humor.

I really understand that these insane people are actually thinking they are following the will or some cosmic being who is supernatural, and totally in charge of everything.  At the same time, I am too old and too tired to deal with their delusion or illusion, or even their version of reality. 

I didn't realize how the words would sound if you weren't hearing them in Bugs Bunny's voice (or should I say Mel Blanc's voice?)

I mean the people who are trying to legislate, with the limitations of human knowledge, the moment when a fertilized egg becomes a human being with a soul (whatever they may conceive that to be). are terrifying to deal with.  I am so tired of their arrogance and dictatorial threats that I am, sarcastically, saying, "leave me alone.  I am old.  I am dying.  I don't need to hear this crap is going to be left to fall upon my children and grandchildren.  I don't want to see it fall upon the human race.  Get out of other human beings uteruses.  Get out of their bedrooms."  It's  none of their damned business.  If there is a God, then let Him take care of the problem.  Do they think that a God needs their help to determine  when life begins?  Do they think God listens to them when life ends?  Does God send a message to their cell phone, "Hey, I'm about the take you mother's life, but I wanted to check with you first to see if you agree it's time for her to croak.  So, do I have your permission to stop her breathing?"

I was in a Bugs Bunny mood, and the control freaks just seemed to be a study in futility, as was poor old Elmer Fudd.  I was pissed off, but using gallows humor.

Sorry.

 


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PostPosted: 11/18/11 10:57 pm • # 16 
That's a relief!  I can relate to Gallows Humor quite well!  Being of "The Faith" I am nonetheless embarrassed by some of my fellow believers' preoccupation with the bedrooms, sex practices, and most especially, uteruses of others...just doesn't seem right or healthy to be so preoccupied with the lifestyles/choices/decisions of others...


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