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PostPosted: 12/16/11 6:07 am • # 1 
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Dutch archbishop apologizes as report says thousands abused
The Associated Press Posted: Dec 16, 2011 7:17 AM ET
Last Updated: Dec 16, 2011 9:50 AM ET

Thousands of children suffered sexual abuse in Dutch Catholic institutions, and church officials knew about the abuse but failed to adequately address it or help the victims, according to a long-awaited investigation released Friday.

Archbishop of Utrecht Wim Eijk apologized to victims on behalf of the entire Dutch Catholic organization and said the report "fills us with shame and sorrow."

The report said Catholic officials failed to tackle the widespread abuse, which ranged from "unwanted sexual advances" to serious sex abuse, in an attempt to prevent scandals.

The investigation followed allegations of repeated incidents of abuse at one cloister that quickly spread to claims from Catholic institutions across the country, echoing similar church-related scandals around the world.

The suspected number of abuse victims who spent some of their youth in church institutions likely lies somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000, according to a summary of the report investigating allegations of abuse dating back to 1945.

The commission received some 1,800 complaints of abuse at Catholic schools, seminaries and orphanages and said that the institutions suffered from "a failure of oversight." It then conducted the broader survey of the general population for a more comprehensive analysis of the scale and nature of sexual abuse of minors — both in the church and elsewhere.

Based on a survey among more than 34,000 people, the commission estimated that one in 10 Dutch children suffered some form of abuse broadly in society. The number doubled to 20 percent of children who spent part of their youth in an institution like an orphanage or boarding school — whether Catholic or not.

The commission was set up last year under the leadership of former government minister Wim Deetman, who said there could be no doubt church leaders knew of the problem.

"The idea that people did not know there was a risk ... is untenable," he said.

Deetman said abuse continued in part because the Catholic church in the Netherlands was splintered, so bishops and religious orders sometimes worked autonomously to deal with abuse and "did not hang out their dirty laundry."

However, he said the commission concluded that "it is wrong to talk of a culture of silence" by the church as a whole.

Bert Smeets, an abuse victim who attended the presentation of the report, said it did not go far enough in investigating and outlining in precise detail exactly what happened.

"What was happening was sexual abuse, violence, spiritual terror, and that should have been investigated," Smeets told The Associated Press. "It remains vague. All sorts of things happened, but nobody knows exactly what or by whom. This way they avoid responsibility."

Archbishop Eijk said victims would be compensated by a commission the Dutch church set up last month and which has a scale starting at €5,000 ($6,725 Cdn) and rising to a maximum of €100,000 ($134,500 Cdn depending on the nature of the abuse.

He said he felt personally ashamed of the abuse. "It is terrible," he said.

The commission said about 800 priests, brothers, pastors or lay people working for the church were named in the complaints. About 105 of them were still alive, although it was not known if they remained in church positions, the report said. It did not release their names and identified them as "perpetrators" rather than "offenders," meaning they had not been proven to have committed a crime.

Prosecutors said in a statement that Deetman's inquiry had referred 11 cases -- without naming the alleged perpetrators -- to them.

Prosecutors opened only one investigation based on those reports, saying the other 10 did not contain enough detailed information and adding that they also appeared to have happened too long ago to prosecute. Had the case files contained enough information to trigger an investigation, prosecutors could have asked for the identities of the suspected abusers.

Deetman said the inquiry could not establish a "scientific link" between priests' celibacy and abuse, but he added, "we don't consider it impossible ... maybe if there was voluntary celibacy a number of problems would not have happened."

According to the Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics, 29 percent of the Dutch population of 16 million identified themselves as Catholics in 2008, making it the largest religion in the country.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/12/16/netherlands-church-abuse.html



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PostPosted: 12/16/11 11:09 am • # 2 
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Nope ~ no end in sight that I can see ~ but what I will never understand is how something so massive in scope could/did remain "under the radar" for so long ~ Image

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PostPosted: 12/16/11 11:28 am • # 3 
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I imagine there was quite a bit of cooperation from "authorities".


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 11:53 am • # 4 
"what I will never understand is how something so massive in scope could/did remain "under the radar" for so long"

Societal denial. The catholic church has been considered inviolate throughout its "dominion" for centuries, particularly in Europe. Even as recent as a hundred years ago, exposing the church in this way could have had serious consequences for the accuser. It's only because of the ever widening movement to secularism and the advent of instantaneous communication that these things are coming to light with greater frequency.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 3:41 pm • # 5 
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And it won't change until the bodies in the pews demand accountability from the pope on down to the parish priest.  People forget that they are the church and they have the power, not the men in the dresses.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 4:03 pm • # 6 
laffinalltheway wrote:
And it won't change until the bodies in the pews demand accountability from the pope on down to the parish priest.  People forget that they are the church and they have the power, not the men in the dresses.
Same thing can be said to any and all levels of "authority".

We are the people. We are the market. We have the power.


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PostPosted: 12/16/11 7:06 pm • # 7 
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that is a rhetorical question, right?


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PostPosted: 12/17/11 3:19 am • # 8 
It's just the "tip" of the iceberg.


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PostPosted: 12/17/11 3:49 am • # 9 
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Sidartha wrote:
laffinalltheway wrote:
And it won't change until the bodies in the pews demand accountability from the pope on down to the parish priest.  People forget that they are the church and they have the power, not the men in the dresses.
Same thing can be said to any and all levels of "authority".

We are the people. We are the market. We have the power.


The problem I see is that sooooo many people have been beaten into the ground that they themselves have forgotten [if they ever knew/accepted] the blazing truth in both pic's and Sid's comments ~

Sooz


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PostPosted: 12/17/11 4:25 am • # 10 
sooz08 wrote:
Sidartha wrote:
laffinalltheway wrote:
And it won't change until the bodies in the pews demand accountability from the pope on down to the parish priest.  People forget that they are the church and they have the power, not the men in the dresses.
Same thing can be said to any and all levels of "authority".

We are the people. We are the market. We have the power.


The problem I see is that sooooo many people have been beaten into the ground that they themselves have forgotten [if they ever knew/accepted] the blazing truth in both pic's and Sid's comments ~

Sooz
Those in power have systematically and successfully divided the people right down to the individual. People need to be reminded: "You are not alone!"


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PostPosted: 12/17/11 6:04 am • # 11 
One of the HUGE problems with the sexual abuse problems.  Some kids did tell.  It worked the Joe Paterno way.  They didn't want to damage the brand so they swept it under the rug and intimidated the child.  Which was a second form of abuse.

My friend's father-in-law was a Methodist minister and a pedophile; an incestuous one at that.  One of the daughters finally had the nerve to tell her mother and the mother replied, "Why are you telling lies about your father?"  

Another friend was abused by an uncle and told her mother who told her to forget about it she didn't want trouble in the family. 

I can't imagine the victims' families being silent and acting this way, but I am fairly sure many of them must have put the Church ahead of their children and that sickens me. 


Last edited by kathyk1024 on 12/17/11 6:40 am, edited 1 time in total.

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