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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:09 am • # 26 
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion, gop ~ but I disagree with your interpretation of what I posted ~ I am, however, curious who YOU see as "... plenty of real conservatives in the race." ~

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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:16 am • # 27 
Take your pick - they are all conservatives.  Some are relatively "more" conservative than others and are more rigid in their approach to politics, but they all fall on the conservative side of the fence.  Ron Paul is more libertarian in his conservatism than the others, which I like, but he's unelectable, as are most of the others.  Romney is the only one of the crowd who I think can be elected this time out and it looks like it's going to be a short race to the nomination.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:40 am • # 28 
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What's the deal with Newt and Rick missing out on the Virginia primary? They couldn't muster enough signers to get on the ballot. No campaign organizations? You'd think they'd have both had time. Not enough money? Repubican primary apathy?  It's surprising. If these primaries matter at all, and it seems like they must, these two guys are in deep trouble.

We see these things from our own little corners of the world, of course, but from here, it seems that Perry really doesn't have any real chance, and is just running on ego and money for a while longer.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:42 am • # 29 
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What's the deal with Newt and Rick missing out on the Virginia primary? They couldn't muster enough signers to get on the ballot. No campaign organizations? You'd think they'd have both had time. Not enough money? Repubican primary apathy?  It's surprising. If these primaries matter at all, and it seems like they must, these two guys are in deep trouble.

We see these things from our own little corners of the world, of course, but from here, it seems that Perry really doesn't have any real chance, and is just running on ego and money for a while longer.
Prolly found a way to milk those PAC funds.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:49 am • # 30 
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What's the deal with Newt and Rick missing out on the Virginia primary? They couldn't muster enough signers to get on the ballot. No campaign organizations? You'd think they'd have both had time. Not enough money? Repubican primary apathy?  It's surprising. If these primaries matter at all, and it seems like they must, these two guys are in deep trouble.

We see these things from our own little corners of the world, of course, but from here, it seems that Perry really doesn't have any real chance, and is just running on ego and money for a while longer.

It's entirely a problem with their organizations.  It's the responsibility of each state organization to acquire the signatures and make sure everything is in place to gain access to the ballot.  Neither Perry nor Gingrich has put together the quality organizations across the country required to be successful in a run for the office, and that points directly to them as candidates.  Gingrich didn't get on the ballot in Missouri, either.  With the current nomination systems for both parties, candidates can't afford to miss primaries.

In Virgina, only Romney and Paul qualified for the primary.  It's going to be a pretty short race to the finish line for the Republicans.
  


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:54 am • # 31 
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gop, what happens if someone NOT on a state primary ballot ends up being the GOP candidate?

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PostPosted: 12/24/11 4:59 am • # 32 
Nothing.  The ballot qualification for the general election is separate from the primaries.  Before the proliferation of primaries, candidates routinely ran in carefully selected states and skipped states where they wouldn't fare as well or there was a favorite-son candidate.  But now, with the way delegates are committed, skipping primaries put candidates at significant disadvantage.  Couple that with the media coverage of each primary and it's virtually impossible for a candidate to win if they aren't competing or at least on the ballot everywhere.  Just look at Rudy Giuliani in 2008 and you see the problem.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 5:02 am • # 33 
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Sooz has given her definition of what is a conservative.  Waiting for gop to give us his definition.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 5:12 am • # 34 
In American politics, a conservative is someone who believes in a relatively more limited government in terms of its influence on, and regulation of citizens, particularly on economic matters.

Clearly, there are different flavors of conservatism, because some people who are conservative in their viewpoint on economic matters believe in a more involved government when it comes to some social issues like abortion and marriage.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 5:31 am • # 35 
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So conservative=capitalist?


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 6:20 am • # 36 
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gopqed wrote:
What makes a person a "real" conservative?
As someone who looks in from the outside, I would be interested in finding out what a "real American conservative" is as well.  In most countries, conservatives are still interested in measured social progress and don't glorify their personal advancement at the expense of the the whole or less fortunate.  In the U.S. there are probably people who think along those lines but it seems to me "real conservatives" are now defined as:

-  Those who believe in small government when it comes to determining their personal affairs (providing those affairs are currently successful) but want lots of government intervention in the affairs of people they disapprove of.
-  Have no fixed ideology except that if the other side wants it, it must be bad even if it was good when they wanted it.
-  Believe in the rule of law providing the law is interpretted according to how you want it at the time.
-  Consider themselves to be Christians as long as they can bend God to their will and are not required to live by the actual teachings of Christ.
-  Figure blowing a lot of people up should make them love you.
-  When a corporation sends it's jobs overseas, blame the unemployed for being unemployed and then seek a tax cut for the corporation so that it can create more jobs - likely overseas.
-  Claim personal responsibility but oppose corporate responsibility in the form of regulation.

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PostPosted: 12/24/11 6:29 am • # 37 
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That sums it up quite nicely, jim ~ but I would revise your last bullet point to read:

Claim Require personal responsibility from others but oppose personal responsibility for self and corporate responsibility in the form of regulation.

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PostPosted: 12/24/11 6:34 am • # 38 
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That assumes that conservatives are Republicans... oh, they claim they are.


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 6:37 am • # 39 
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oskar576 wrote:
That assumes that conservatives are Republicans... oh, they claim they are.
You got that backwards - Republicans claim they are conservatives.  History would suggest otherwise.


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jimwilliam wrote:
oskar576 wrote:
That assumes that conservatives are Republicans... oh, they claim they are.
You got that backwards - Republicans claim they are conservatives.  History would suggest otherwise.
I think it might depend on the day of the week.

  


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PostPosted: 12/24/11 9:38 am • # 41 
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gopqed wrote:
Take your pick - they are all conservatives.  Some are relatively "more" conservative than others and are more rigid in their approach to politics, but they all fall on the conservative side of the fence.  Ron Paul is more libertarian in his conservatism than the others, which I like, but he's unelectable

you keep saying that- but he runs better in head to head than anyone other than Romney.  this is very consistent, btw.  it has been the case since polling first started this election season.


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