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 Post subject: VoC's Iowa Caucus Pool
PostPosted: 01/03/12 2:36 am • # 26 
Romney - 26%
Paul - 25%
Santorum - 18%
Gingrich - 12%
Perry - 11%
Bachmann - 4%
Uncommitted - 2%
Huntsman - 1%


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PostPosted: 01/03/12 4:17 pm • # 27 
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Still a ways to go, but ... YIKES! ~ Sooz


Iowa, with 48% reporting.
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    Rick Santorum
    13,339
    24.3%
     
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    Mitt Romney
    13,011
    23.7%
     
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    Ron Paul
    11,972
    21.8%
     
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    Newt Gingrich
    7,248
    13.2%
     
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    Rick Perry
    5,544
    10.1%
     
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    Michele Bachmann
    3,065
    5.6%
     
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    Jon Huntsman
    308
    0.6%
     
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    Herman Cain
    23
    0.0%
     
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    Buddy Roemer
    9
    0.0%
     
  • Other
    227
    0.4%
     
  • No Preference
    115
    0.2%
     
  • 54,861


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PostPosted: 01/03/12 5:56 pm • # 28 
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isnt santorum the aftermath of anal sex guy?  Really?  They're going to run HIM?


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PostPosted: 01/03/12 7:52 pm • # 29 
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it looks like Mr. Frothy is going to take this one. it is still TECHNICALLY too close to call, but the fact is that the two precincts that are left to report are about evenly split, and Froth is leading by 18. he wins Iowa with less than 1/4 of the cast votes.

feel the love.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 12:49 am • # 30 
It's no longer too close to call - Romney finished in first, by 8 votes.

Perry is done, Bachmann is done, Paul has hit his high-water mark and will fade into the woodwork.

Santorum has won a reprieve from the trash-heap, although he will be the Huckabee of 2012 and will be most notable as a thorn in Gingrich's side in South Carolina.

A win in New Hampshire and it will be on to the general election for Romney.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 2:34 am • # 31 
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Lovely...Mr. "I'll repeal Obamacare on day one!" Romney? WTF?


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 3:03 am • # 32 
Don't worry, Chaos.  If Romney wins in November, the Democrats will suddenly love the filibuster.  Image


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 3:04 am • # 33 
That's a mighty big "if".


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 3:13 am • # 34 
It certainly is, but Romney is the one Republican who has an opportunity and the ability to defeat Obama in November.  Most likely, Obama will win, but there's a long way to go and right now Romney is running at least even with Obama.

At any rate, if the election is reasonably close, the Democrats will likely lose control of the Senate and Congress will be controlled by the Republicans if Obama wins.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 3:20 am • # 35 
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At any rate, if the election is reasonably close, the Democrats will likely lose control of the Senate and Congress will be controlled by the Republicans if Obama wins.

Yeah, if the Repugnants succeed in disenfranchising enough voters. No way they can win honestly.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 3:26 am • # 36 
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gopqed wrote:
Don't worry, Chaos.  If Romney wins in November, the Democrats will suddenly love the filibuster.  Image

Health insurance is not a joke to me, Gop. I'm glad it's so funny for you, though.Image


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 3:33 am • # 37 
It's not a joke to me, either, Chaos, which is why I supported the bill that made it through Congress, and why I've always supported the preservation of the filibuster in the Senate.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 4:09 am • # 38 
If people wanted Romney as President he'd already be it.  There is no way Romney will ever beat Obama.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 4:26 am • # 39 
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While the Obama camp has assumed [and been preparing for] the GOP/TP candidate to be Romney, they have not even begun to unload on him ~ and Romney has provided more than enough material to hang himself ~ Santorum focused on the religiosos in Iowa and that paid off for him ~ the question that got answered for me last night is that the religiosos are gonna have a VERY tough time supporting Romney ~ I also believe the young voters who flocked to Paul last night will have a tough time embracing Romney ~ time will tell ~

Sooz



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PostPosted: 01/04/12 4:32 am • # 40 
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Dee wrote:
If people wanted Romney as President he'd already be it.  There is no way Romney will ever beat Obama.

I've learned to never say never, Dee ~ but I expect Obama to run on his achievements [which are plenty] and to focus on Romney's "record" and questionable personal ethics and integrity ~ Romney will defeat himself ~ I also believe there is a very legit chance for the Dems to retake the House and to keep a narrow majority in the Senate ~

Sooz


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 5:14 am • # 41 
Dee wrote:
If people wanted Romney as President he'd already be it.  There is no way Romney will ever beat Obama.



I think it is dangerous to be so cocky. I think he is the only one that can beat Obama. I plan on voting in the primaries to vote against Romney, if you don't want him as your President, you might think to do the same thing.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 5:31 am • # 42 
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I wouldn't put too much weight on Santorum's showing in Iowa.  Remember, Bachmann won the straw poll back in August.  Now I'm watching her on tv dropping out of the race.  For my money, I think Perry should stay the course for a bit - not that I would want him for President but because he really is the natural lightning rod to attract the anti-Romney vote and the one who could unite both sides of the GOP.  He just has to remove his foot from his mouth during debates.  One good showing from him in a debate could turn his fortunes 180 degrees.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 11:55 am • # 43 
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gopqed wrote:
It certainly is, but Romney is the one Republican who has an opportunity and the ability to defeat Obama in November.  Most likely, Obama will win, but there's a long way to go and right now Romney is running at least even with Obama.

At any rate, if the election is reasonably close, the Democrats will likely lose control of the Senate and Congress will be controlled by the Republicans if Obama wins.


Gop, I have a question for you as a republican.  If you think Obama is most likely to win, would you like to see the BEST candidate end up with the nomination here, or some throwaway so that a good candidate doesn't get wasted before 2016?  I mean, strategically, considering the shortage of strong candidates at the moment?

Are there people that didn't run this time around, do you think, because 2016 seems like a better race to enter?


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 4:04 pm • # 44 
I think you want to select the best candidate running in any year - defeating an incumbent is tough, but it can be done if a quality candidate runs.  There are very few unbeatable candidates for President and you never know what is going to happen during a campaign.

That's not to say that the best possible candidate will choose to run.  Candidates sometimes will choose to not run because they believe they will have a better chance in a future year, but that can be a risky move.  There's generally a limited window for people to run, and it's hard to predict the future.  Someone who this year decides to not run because they think Obama will win and they would have a clearer path in four years, could end up out of luck if Obama loses and the expected four-year wait turns into an eight-year wait.  Depending on their political opportunities to remain relevant on the national level and their age, they might miss their chance to be elected.


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 5:05 pm • # 45 
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so you think it'll be romney with one of the social conservatives as a vp?


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PostPosted: 01/04/12 5:37 pm • # 46 

Romney might pick someone who would appeal to social conservatives, but his other concern is help in one of the crucial states - Ohio, Florida or a state like that.  It could be a regional pick - someone from the South.  Nikki Haley could be a great pick - Governor of South Carolina and already endorsed him, I believe.



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She's a short timer as governor. She's taken heat lately for taking fed money under false pretenses. She's identified as a tea partier, which isn't necessarily selling well nationally. But she is miles better than Sarah Palin, so who knows?


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PostPosted: 01/05/12 1:31 am • # 48 
They won't go with a woman this time.  That was stunt casting, and it didnt' work out well for the GOP in 2008.  While there is a lot of Christie talk here, I do not think they will take a moderate from the Northeast.

Look for a good ole boy with a southern accent.  


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PostPosted: 01/05/12 1:38 am • # 49 
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But she is miles better than Sarah Palin,

So is a pet rock.


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PostPosted: 01/05/12 3:06 am • # 50 

The Palin selection made the election much closer than it would have been - McCain's campaign was dead in the water going into the convention and needed the shot of excitement given to the "base" that wasn't terribly excited about having McCain as the nominee.  Had he selected someone like Lieberman (who he really wanted to pick,) the "stay at home" factor would have resulted in an Obama landslide of historic proportions.  So, despite the lack of appeal across the board Palin provided, her choice addressed the first need of the McCain campaign, which was to get the conservative core to the polls.  McCain couldn't deliver the independents, and they lost.  Obama ran a terrific campaign, with a lot of ammunition to use against the Republicans.  I said earlier that there are few unbeatable candidates, but there are some virtually unwinnable campaigns, and 2008 was one of those.  It's why "Bush" is an unmentionable on the campaign trail this year.

Romney has lots of potential choices - could be a guy with a Southern accent, or possibly someone from the South without a Southern accent, or someone from the Midwest who sounds a bit like a Canadian.

Christie could be a good choice, too, but his best shot might be at the top of the ticket in 2016 or 2020.  I'm glad you see him as a moderate, Kathy.



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