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PostPosted: 12/21/12 10:41 am • # 1 
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LaPierre blamed movies and video games. I can't recall any movie or video game killing anyone recently so while I think they contribute to the problem i'm not sure they deserve to be banned any more than assault weapons or handguns.

He wants congress to fund armed police in every school. I certainly don't want to live in a world like that. It's only a matter of time before an armed school officer shoots a kid who somehow looked threatening or did not follow a lawful order or some other infraction that falls well short of deserving of a death sentence.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 10:49 am • # 2 
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I was just reading about this and my head was close to exploding ~ this is what the NRA sees as "meaningful contribution to the national conversation"??? ~ :angry ~ the NRA has morphed into a paranoid, deluded, and depraved monster ~ and I urge every sane and responsible member of the NRA to resign his/her membership immediately ~

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PostPosted: 12/21/12 10:53 am • # 3 
There is a resource officer at Absegami HS. He was an armed Galloway police officer. A fight breaks out every day in the halls anyway.

Of course there was this...

In March–April 2005, it was revealed that Absegami's then resource officer, Eric Allen, had sex with a 17-year-old female student in his patrol car three times over the course of a month. Allen was dismissed from his position and found guilty of official misconduct.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 10:56 am • # 4 
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Well, his ideas would certainly save the shooters the trouble of packing that heavy, ole second gun to the school. I wonder if he understands most of the derogatory remarks he made around fantasizing about gunning people down, etc. describes his own members. That was probably one of the most disgusting, deflecting, self-serving speeches I have ever heard. No wonder he wouldn't take questions afterwards. He was playing straight to his knuckle dragging, snot dripping, unwashed trailer dwelling membership most of who probably wouldn't understand that it was them he was talking about. Half of them were probably playing Grand Theft Auto and watching a Scarface rerun while they listened to him.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 11:01 am • # 5 
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It wasn't too long ago that a woman called Baltimore Police for help with her 12 year old son who was mentally ill. He was unarmed, yet somehow the police found a reason to shoot and kill the young boy in his bedroom.


Putting people who are trained to shoot people in a place where someone might come to shoot people is just so damn unlikely to result in no one shooting people.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 11:02 am • # 6 
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This man does not rise to the level of pond scum ~ :angry :angry :angry ~ Sooz

NRA Blames Everything Except Guns: Outdated Video Games, Hurricanes, And Corporate Media Led To Newtown
By Igor Volsky on Dec 21, 2012 at 11:41 am

The National Rifle Association, the nation’s largest gun advocates lobby, attributed the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, to “school free zones,” arguing that “genuine monsters” are attracted to schools because its administrators and teachers are not armed. “Politicians pass laws for gun free school zones, they issue press releases bragging about them,” NRA Vice President Wayne LaPierre said. “And, in doing so, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.”

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre declared and urged Congress to “act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation.” The lobby will create a “National School Shield Program” that will help schools respond to attacks, led by former Rep. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR).

In a news conference repeatedly interrupted by protesters blaming the NRA for “killing our kids,” LaPierre shoveled out blame far and wide, going after reporters for glorifying killers like Adam Lanza, violent movies, video games, and music videos. He tore into gun safety advocates for exploiting the tragedy for “political gain,” targeted President Obama for underfunding police initiatives in schools, and said that the media demonized “local gun owners” and spread “misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next violence is a new cycle away.” “Add another hurricane, terrorist attack, or some other natural of man-made disaster, and you’ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization,” he said.

Only gun owners and gun lobbyists — who have spent years easing gun regulations across the country — were spared any responsibility.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/21/1371711/nra-blames-everything-except-guns-outdated-video-games-hurricanes-and-corporate-media-led-to-newtown/


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 11:07 am • # 7 
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Damn. I kind of liked Asa Hutchinson after he joined the drug court advocates and was lobbying for sane drug control policy and veteran's services. Gotta scratch him off the list.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 11:15 am • # 8 
I will do a variant of Piers Morgan rant.

More guns is NOT the solution. How many more kids have to die before you guys say we want less guns not more guns?

Schools are huge and even with the video cameras and armed guards in the building, a gunman can enter one of the service entrances and wipe out a classroom with a bushmaster before the police officer even arrives.

Dylan and Eric, this guy. They knew the school layout and so probably will the next guy.

Get this bushmaster type weapon off the street. NOW!!!! Make it harder for them.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 12:02 pm • # 9 
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It would be interesting if LaPierre's family got wiped out.
Wonder what he'd say then?


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 1:21 pm • # 10 
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I thought most schools already had armed police officers in them....or security guards.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 3:09 pm • # 11 
oskar576 wrote:
It would be interesting if LaPierre's family got wiped out.
Wonder what he'd say then?


Damn! I wish I had a bigger gun!


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 3:48 pm • # 12 
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wife said...
oh, THAT kind of gun.


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 7:51 pm • # 13 
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They bring armed ANYONE into the schools, I'm quitting and openning a private school in my HOUSE.

:hmm :mad


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PostPosted: 12/21/12 8:02 pm • # 14 
You'll get busy really fast.


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PostPosted: 12/22/12 7:14 am • # 15 
Clearly shows what a pimp for the gun manufacturers he really is.


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PostPosted: 12/23/12 8:54 am • # 16 
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Interesting tidbit of history ~ Sooz

2004: The Last Time the NRA Lost a Vote in Congress
By David Weigel | Posted Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012, at 1:09 PM ET

In my story today, I recall that the NRA hasn't watched a gun control bill pass in either chamber of Congress since 1999, when a 51-50 vote moved a gun control loophole-closing bill out of the Senate. Jim Kessler, senior vice president of policy at the centrist group Third Way, emails to remind me of a more recent loss.

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On March 3, 2004, the NRA brought its bill to grant the gun industry immunity from lawsuits to the Senate floor. The bill had more than 55 cosponsors and was certain to get the 60 needed to pass. At our old gun group, Americans for Gun Safety, we succeeded in allowing senators to offer 2 amendments. The first, to close the gun show loophole, passed 53-46. The second, to renew the assault weapons ban, passed 52-47. The NRA was so stunned that these amendments passed that they sent messages via blackberry to Senators on the floor to renounce support for the immunity bill. The bill failed 8 to 90.

The NRA doesn’t lose often, but they do lose. And it was glorious.

And it sort of sunk into a memory hole, but it remains relevant. I've been asking various senators and members of Congress whether they'd be open to any new gun legislation, of any kind. "I voted for [the assault weapons ban] in 2004," said Sen. Susan Collins. I asked whether that meant she'd vote for a new law. "I already answered that question," she said.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/12/18/_2004_the_last_time_the_nra_lost_a_vote_in_congress.html


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PostPosted: 12/23/12 9:16 am • # 17 
Siiigh--don't get me wrong: I believe in gun control regs, do not like the idea of armed people walking about, etc. And i for sure do not like defending the likes of the NRA...I think the response of the NRA was poorly written and insensitive. That said, I feel that this whole situation is very similar to the public hysteria that surrounded 9/11: there was a rush to "protect the public" that resulted in the infamous patriot act, civil rights being violated etc. Recognizing that Columbine did have an armed security guard and that 13 people were killed anyway, one lone guard was frankly outgunned. Trying to stop an armed crazed shooter bare handed may be heroic, but frankly it's insane. (not to mention fatal as the brave Newton principal and school psychologist found out). Frankly, if the principal had been armed, she most likely would have been shot due to the element of surprise, but at least she might have had a fighting chance. Neither she or her students stood a chance that day...they were sitting ducks. All the gun regs in the world will not disarm the criminal element: gun running is big business in our country just like drug trafficking--the black market for guns will just become more lucrative with gun regs. Realistically, there must be armed security at not only schools, but hospitals, shopping malls, convention centers, etc. How many armed guards would be dependent upon the number of people to be protected, building security etc. but a minimum of two guards...yeah, it sounds horrible and the potential for human error is high but that is the world we live in and to pretend it isn't or to refuse to acknowlege that our world is a violent place is to be pollyanna in our perspective...Clinton's view of increasing police presence was right on spot--we are now at the point of needing to increase it even past the numbers of Clinton's time. I might add that when I say armed security, I am not speaking of private armed security guards, but public armed law enforcement officers fully commissioned. Thus, though the NRA statement re vds etc. was deplorable, I think the call for armed security is unfortunately, right on spot...


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PostPosted: 12/23/12 9:46 am • # 18 
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We've always been violent. The animal kingdom is violent, and we're animals. Civilization has been partly about making our part of the kingdom less violent, and partly about making violence more efficient, which is how we got firearms. Firearms are to violence what gasoline is to fire. There will always be fire, but it behooves us to keep gasoline away from it when it happens.

LaPierre is beneath contempt. His proposal to lock away people suspected of mental illness is the biggest treat to liberty I've ever heard, way worse than any gun control law ever could be. "Crazy" does not equal homocidal.

If LaPierre's laws were ever enacted, I would immediately nominate him for incarceration on grounds of being a potential homocidal maniac, and he'd be off to the funny farm. Unarmed.


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