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PostPosted: 01/27/12 6:07 am • # 1 
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I posted this because I just want to know how others feel. I may be in this same boat one day. Thousands of miles from my children. However, if they offered me a home with them, I don't know what I would do. Not because I am that stubborn, but because of the health care coverage issue. Other than that, I would move in with them in a heartbeat. If it came right down to it, I would even sacrifice the health care coverage and manage in the US if I had to. 

I personally think that it's selfish of the parents to expect their children to provide care from such distances and stupidly sentimental to want to hang on to a "place" instead. I wonder if the children ever thought of moving closer to the parent(s)? I know career concerns are paramount, but still I would change fields or jobs to do this for my parents. In the end it looks like both sides are being selfish and I wonder why they are whining? There are solutions and life does go on after a parent has passed away to present other career opportunities. 

I should also say that it's not always economically feasible for a child to fly to be by the parent's side for every health crisis. A six hour drive is manageable, dollar wise, 3000 mile flight not so much. Then add the time missed from work etc.


WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Kristy Bryner worries her 80-year-old mom might slip and fall when she picks up the newspaper, or that she'll get in an accident when she drives to the grocery store. What if she has a medical emergency and no one's there to help? What if, like her father, her mother slips into a fog of dementia?

Those questions would be hard enough if Bryner's aging parent lived across town in Portland, Ore., but she is in Kent, Ohio. The stress of caregiving seems magnified by each of the more than 2,000 miles that separate them.

"I feel like I'm being split in half between coasts," said Bryner, 54. "I wish I knew what to do, but I don't."

As lifespans lengthen and the number of seniors rapidly grows, more Americans find themselves in Bryner's perilous position, struggling to care for an ailing loved one from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

The National Institute on Aging estimates around 7 million Americans are long-distance caregivers. Aside from economic factors that often drive people far from their hometowns, shifting demographics in the country could exacerbate the issue: Over the next four decades, the share of people 65 and older is expected to rapidly expand while the number of people under 20 will roughly hold steady. That means there will be a far smaller share of people between 20 and 64, the age group that most often is faced with caregiving.

"You just want to be in two places at once," said Kay Branch, who lives in Anchorage, Alaska, but helps coordinate care for her parents in Lakeland, Fla., about 3,800 miles away.

There are no easy answers.

Bryner first became a long-distance caregiver when, more than a decade ago, her father began suffering from dementia, which consumed him until he died in 2010. She used to be able to count on help from her brother, who lived close to their parents, but he died of cancer a few years back. Her mother doesn't want to leave the house she's lived in for so long.

So Bryner talks daily with her mother via Skype, a video telephone service. She's lucky to have a job that's flexible enough that she's able to visit for a couple of weeks every few months. But she fears what may happen when her mother is not as healthy as she is now.

"Someone needs to check on her, someone needs to look out for her," she said. "And the only someone is me, and I don't live there."

Many long-distance caregivers say they insist on daily phone calls or video chats to hear or see how their loved one is doing. Oftentimes, they find another relative or a paid caregiver they can trust who is closer and able to help with some tasks.

Yet there always is the unexpected: Medical emergencies, problems with insurance coverage, urgent financial issues. Problems become far tougher to resolve when you need to hop on a plane or make a daylong drive.

"There are lots of things that you have to do that become these real exercises in futility," said Ed Rose, 49, who lives in Boston but, like his sister, travels frequently to Chicago to help care for his 106-year-old grandmother, Blanche Seelmann.

Rose has rushed to his grandmother's side for hospitalizations, and made unexpected trips to solve bureaucratic issues like retrieving a document from a safe-deposit box in order to open a bank account.

But he said he has also managed to get most of the logistics down to a routine.

He uses Skype to speak with his grandmother every day and tries to be there whenever she has a doctor's appointment. Aides handle many daily tasks and have access to a credit card for household expenses. They send him receipts so he can monitor spending. He has an apartment near his grandmother to make sure he's comfortable on his frequent visits.

Even for those who live near those they care for, travel for work can frequently make it a long-distance affair. Evelyn Castillo-Bach lives in Pembroke Pines, Fla., the same town as her 84-year-old mother, who has Alzheimer's disease. But she is on the road roughly half the year, sometimes for months at a time, both for work with her own Web company and accompanying her husband, a consultant for the United Nations.

Once, she was en route from Kosovo to Denmark when she received a call alerting her that her mother was having kidney failure and appeared as if she would die. She needed to communicate her mother's wishes from afar as her panicked sister tried to search their mother's home for her living will. Castillo-Bach didn't think she could make it in time to see her mother alive once more.

"I won't get to touch my mother again," she thought.

She was wrong. Her mother pulled through. But she says it illustrates what long-distance caregivers so frequently go through.

"This is one of the things that happens when you're thousands of miles away," Castillo-Bach said.

Lynn Feinberg, a caregiving expert at AARP, said the number of long-distance caregivers is likely to grow, particularly as a sagging economy has people taking whatever job they can get, wherever it is. Though caregiving is a major stress on anyone, distance can often magnify it, Feinberg said, and presents particular difficulty when it must be balanced with an inflexible job.

"It's a huge stress," she said. "It can have enormous implications not only for someone's quality of life, but also for someone's job."

It can also carry a huge financial burden. A November 2007 report by the National Alliance for Caregiving and Evercare, a division of United Health Group, found annual expenses incurred by long-distance caregivers averaged about $8,728, far more than caregivers who lived close to their loved one. Some also had to cut back on work hours, take on debt of their own and slash their personal spending.

Even with that in mind, though, many long-distance caregivers say they don't regret their decision. Rita Morrow, who works in accounting and lives in Louisville, Ky., about a six-hour drive from her 90-year-old mother in Memphis, Tenn., does all the juggling too.

She has to remind her mother to take her medicine, make sure rides are lined up for doctor's appointments, rush to her aid if there's a problem. She knows her mom wants to stay in her home, to keep going to the church she's gone to the past 60 years, to be near her friends.

"We do what we have to do for our parents," she said. "My mother did all kinds of things for me."
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PostPosted: 01/27/12 6:23 am • # 2 
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Another point. These people who are flying thousands of miles and the guy who keeps an apartment near his mom could use the money they spend to hire someone to look after their parents. Just a thought.

I think I'm more irritated with the whining than I am the circumstances since there are so many other options. lol


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 11:03 am • # 3 
I had a discussion with my best friend in Atlanta just a few days ago about elderly care and children and she and I don't see eye to eye at all.  I am 6 years older than she is but am in far better health.  She is on disabiliy now and was talking about someday having to move in with her oldest son who is in his mid 40's, owns his own company and has never been married.  She said that her oldest son would have to take care of her and I asked her why she felt it was fair for her to disrupt his life to care for her?  I said I would never expect my son to have to take care of me should I get to a point where I or hubby can't take care of one another.  We have extended care money saved up to where should we not be able to care for ourself or one another the money will be there for us to go into a long term care center or pay someone to come into our home and care for us but I do not think it's fair to expect your children to take care of you when you can't. 


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 11:46 am • # 4 
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Dee wrote:
I had a discussion with my best friend in Atlanta just a few days ago about elderly care and children and she and I don't see eye to eye at all.  I am 6 years older than she is but am in far better health.  She is on disabiliy now and was talking about someday having to move in with her oldest son who is in his mid 40's, owns his own company and has never been married.  She said that her oldest son would have to take care of her and I asked her why she felt it was fair for her to disrupt his life to care for her?  I said I would never expect my son to have to take care of me should I get to a point where I or hubby can't take care of one another.  We have extended care money saved up to where should we not be able to care for ourself or one another the money will be there for us to go into a long term care center or pay someone to come into our home and care for us but I do not think it's fair to expect your children to take care of you when you can't. 
Dee, not everyone has that "money saved up" especially with today's economy and so many lost $$$ in the whole fiasco. What then? Do they just wither away alone or what?

It was never even discussed, but understood in my family. My Mom took care of my Dad with my help when needed. He died and I took her in and took care of her. So it was with my grandparents too. Their offspring took them in and took care of them too. Not because they couldn't have afforded hired help or nursing homes, but because that's the way our family does things.

I figure disrupting your childs life at the end of yours is payback for them disrupting your life at the beginning of theirs. Image 
Actually I considered it an honor with my parents as they did with their parents. At one time, that was how things were done and as many as 4  generations would be living under one roof.  


  


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 12:27 pm • # 5 

One of my first weekend's on at the hospital I had to search for a daughter on Princess Cruise in Australia because her mother was touch and go in the ICU.  The 23 yo grandson was the POC in this case at the time and truthfully I didn't think it was fair to him, but it just had to be.  

I've had my mother since 1997 and she is way, way harder on me than I ever was so I don't believe the payback thing, but it is what it is.    I don't have her living will and I should.  She's always been full code and truthfully until she is actually ill I will keep that status.   People should transfer assets from the parents to their heirs while they are living. I think it's $13K a year to first degree relations.   In NJ, if a patient has to go to a nursing home you get 30 days with medicare.  If you have less than $50K liquid assets medicaid will pay for you in the nursing home.  Your family usually spends that month enrolling you in medicaid.   I have a little old lady now with a "failure to thrive" diagnosis, they inserted a feeding tube, and her son coming in from Ohio to fill out the paperwork for medicaid.  She either went today or will go to the nursing home tomorrow.  



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PostPosted: 01/27/12 1:10 pm • # 6 

My dad took care of my mother during the years prior to her death when she had congestive heart failure.  Upon her death my dad had instructions written up that if he was unable to care for himself he wanted to be moved to the VA home in our hometown and live his life out there.  He had one stroke that kept him pretty much at home but he still had a good quality of life.  When he had his second stroke it totally paralized his right side and it was his choice to be moved to the VA home but my sister and brother were able to see him every day since they lived in the same town and since hubby and I lived in Texas at the time, I flew in every other weekend.    Should something happen to hubby or to me, I don't think he or I would either one move into our sons house nor expect him to move into our home and take care of us even though I do think our son would want to.  I don't want to be a burden on any relative.



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PostPosted: 01/27/12 1:26 pm • # 7 
I don't think chldren have an obligation to care for their parents in their later years.  But, then I also don't think parents have an obligation to pay for the kids' college, weddings etc. or to try to make sure the kids get money and stuff when they die.

I would never want to be a burden and would never live with anyone who made me feel like I was a burden.  It should be done because you want to and not because you feel obligated.  I do remember the days when it seemed to be the thing to do.  Family just naturally took care of family.  That was part of being family.  Now there are some elderly being abused in the homes of their kids, much is emotional abuse.  The idea should be a loving place for the people to be in for their last years.  Sometimes that can be with their kids.  Sometimes a nursing home can provide better for the needs and comfort.  Some kids may do it with the best of intent but just don't have the psychologcal strength.  That can make huge problems for everyone.


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 2:36 pm • # 8 
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It's an individual, personal thing I guess. A lot might depend on the childs situation with their own kids and such. Mine were grown and all gone when my Mom came to live with us.  The only family member I remember being in a nursing home got a broken arm from being manhandled by staff. Image

I guess my family never considered things like that a burden or an obligation, it's just what we did. Don't know how my kids feel, lol.


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 3:17 pm • # 9 
Sure there are a lot of factors to consider.  When the subject of caring for my parents first arose, my mother was in good health and my father was of failing health.   My sister's husband did not want the responsibility or the intrusion into his life of caring for them.   My husband was in workaholic mode back then, but my son was 13 and he picked up some of the slack.   So we built an in-law suite with living room, kitchen and bedroom unto the back of that house.   There are a lot of nice memories of the five of us living together; like how much my dad worried about Hubby on the road and was always glad when he came home and how proud he was of my son, his trumpet playing, his niceness, all those things.    Dad passed away on the same day as the Columbine tragedy; April 20, 1999.   Mother was still in fairly good health until the last five years.   The 90s, even in okay health, is diffent than the 70/80s.  There is a larger cognitive decline and a greater fraility.   Much less independence and more doctor's appointments.    There are services that help; a lot.  Geriatric physicians who come to the house monthly.  Along with the blood tests drawn at home.  

It is naive to believe that caring for an aging parent at times isn't hard and at even sometimes burdensome, but there are also happy memories and good times.   You have to weigh that.  


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 4:19 pm • # 10 
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Let's also remember the OP was about long distance caretaking. It's more of a burden, imho, to be so stubborn that you expect your children to flit from pillar to post in order to oversee your care or legal matters if you can't afford to go into a home or have someone come take care of you. You should be willing to go live with them, if they are ok with it. Even if you could go into a facility, there needs to be family (or someone) nearby to oversee that and make sure you are taken care of properly.

No matter how you look at it, if you are stricken or disabled when you are elderly, you will need someone to be an advocate. Hopefully that will be someone who loves you. Otherwise, you'll be stuck  in a facility and promptly neglected. That happens more than you realize. Image


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PostPosted: 01/27/12 5:23 pm • # 11 
The biggest problem for many people is the expense involved.  People may not have the room and can not afford to change that.  If it's long distance they have the travel expenses, etc.  The parent may need a special diet.  If the parent is unable to get around well people can destroy their backs etc tryng to lift and shower and change etc.  There are many many decisions to make and things to consider.  There are problems with abuse or neglect in  some nursng homes, as roseanne talks about.

I do agree with roseanne that if the kids are willing to help but live far away, the parent should be the one to move if the kids don't want to or can't.  Even if the decision has to be to go to a nursing home, finding one close to the kids who are willing and able to help would be best.


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I went through this with my mother (not the log distance part though) when she developed Alzheimers.  She had to give up her apartment and move into mine.  It was not an ideal situation because she eventually needed more supervision then I could give her seeing as how I had to work.  My sister helped out when she could but she had a husband and three kids to take care of and she was also caregiver to her husband's parents.  I wish I had known then who to contact and what services were available to her - it would have made things a lot easier.

Anyway, we eventually had to put her in a nursing home.  It was becoming a safety issue because she was declining fast and needed round-the-clock supervision.  We had a really good social worker who helped us get mom into the nursing home she had worked in before she retired.  Best part of that - there were nurses and aides still working there who she had trained and worked with and we knew she would get the best of care.  And, my sister and I both visited every week to check up on her.


No matter how you look at it, if you are stricken or disabled when you are elderly, you will need someone to be an advocate. Hopefully that will be someone who loves you. Otherwise, you'll be stuck in a facility and promptly neglected. That happens more than you realize.

This!  I can tell you from my own experience living in a nursing home, if you are the resident and don't have all your mental  faculties, you need to have a friend or family member who is authorized to act in your best interests and is willing to visit often and regularly to make sure you are taken care of properly.  I got along fine because I could advocate for myself but I saw too many of the elderly residents who had no one to speak for them, no one to make sure that the staff was taking proper care of them.



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