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PostPosted: 01/28/12 4:35 am • # 1 
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I understand activists' concerns, given the open and hateful bigotry targeting gays ~ but, honestly, I don't care whether "being gay" is biological or choice ~ mostly because [a] I don't see anyone else's sexuality affecting my own, and by extension I don't care what any adults do so long as it is consensual ~ and I [b]absolutely positively reject the idea that "equal rights" are subject to or dependent on personal sexuality ~ Sooz

Cynthia Nixon's claim to be gay by choice riles activists
The Associated Press, Friday, January 27, 2012, 12:16pm (PST)

Cynthia Nixon learned the hard way this week that when it comes to gay civil rights, the personal is always political. Very political.

The actress best known for portraying fiery lawyer Miranda Hobbes on "Sex and the City" is up to her perfectly arched eyebrows in controversy since The New York Times Magazine published a profile in which she was quoted as saying that for her, being gay was a conscious choice. Nixon is engaged to a woman with whom she has been in a relationship for eight years. Before that, she spent 15 years and had two children with a man.

"I understand that for many people it's not, but for me it's a choice, and you don't get to define my gayness for me," Nixon said while recounting some of the flak gay rights activists previously had given her for treading in similar territory. "A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it's a choice, then we could opt out. I say it doesn't matter if we flew here or we swam here, it matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who is not."

To say that a certain segment of the gay community "is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice" is an understatement. Gay rights activists have worked hard to combat the idea that people decide to be physically attracted to same-sex partners any more than they choose to be attracted to opposite-sex ones because the question, so far unanswered by science, is often used by religious conservatives to argue that homosexuality is immoral behavior, not an inherent trait.

Among the activists most horrified by Nixon's comments was Truth Wins Out founder Wayne Besen, whose organization monitors and tries to debunk programs that claim to cure people of same-sex attractions with therapy. Besen said he found the actress's analysis irresponsible and flippant, despite her ample caveats.

"Cynthia did not put adequate thought into the ramifications of her words, and it is going to be used when some kid comes out and their parents force them into some ex-gay camp while she's off drinking cocktails at fancy parties," Besen said. "When people say it's a choice, they are green-lighting an enormous amount of abuse because if it's a choice, people will try to influence and guide young people to what they perceive as the right choice."

Nixon's publicist did not respond to an email asking if the actress wished to comment on the criticism.

While the broader gay rights movement recognizes that human sexuality exists on a spectrum, and has found common cause with transgender and bisexual people, Nixon may have unwittingly given aid and comfort to those who want to deny same-sex couples the right to marry, adopt children and secure equal spousal benefits, said Jennifer Pizer, legal director of the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation and the Law, a pro-gay think tank based at the University of California, Los Angeles.

One of the factors courts consider in determining if a law is unconstitutional is whether members of the minority group it targets share an unchangeable or "immutable" trait, Pizer noted. Although the definition of how fixed a characteristic has to be to qualify as immutable still is evolving — religious affiliation, for example, is recognized as grounds for equal protection — the U.S. Supreme Court still has not included sexual orientation among the traits "so integral to personhood it's not something the government should require people to change," she said.

If gay people in this country had more confidence that their individual freedom was going to be respected, then the temperature would lower a bit on the immutability question because the idea of it being a choice wouldn't seem to stack the deck against their rights," Pizer said.

Nixon stirred the identity politics pot further when she explained in a follow-up interview with The Daily Beast this week that she purposefully rejected identifying herself as bisexual even though her history suggested it was an accurate term.

"I don't pull out the "bisexual" word because nobody likes the bisexuals. Everybody likes to dump on the bisexuals," she said. "But I do completely feel that when I was in relationships with men, I was in love and in lust with those men. And then I met (her fiancée) Christine and I fell in love and lust with her. I am completely the same person and I was not walking around in some kind of fog. I just responded to the people in front of me the way I truly felt."

Although science has not identified either a purely biological or sociological basis for sexual orientation, University of California, Davis psychologist Gregory Herek, an expert on anti-gay prejudice, said Nixon's experience is consistent with research showing that women have an easier time moving between opposite and same-sex partners.

A survey Herek conducted of gay men, lesbians and bisexuals of both genders bore this out. Sixteen percent of the lesbians surveyed reported they felt they had had a fair amount of choice in their sexual orientations, while only five percent of the gay men did. Among bisexuals, the figures were 40 percent for men and 45 percent for women.

What remains to be teased out, Herek said, is how a representative national sample of heterosexuals would answer the same question, and what people mean when their sexual orientation was a choice or not. Are they talking about their sexual desires? Acting on those desires? Or simply the identity they choose to show to the world?

"The nature vs. nurture debate really is passé," he said. "The debate is not really an either/or debate in the vast majority of cases, but how much of each. We don't know how big a role biology plays and how big a role culture plays. A possibility not often discussed is it's not the same for everybody."

[b]http[url=http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/actress-claim-to-be-gay-by-choice-riles-activists-1663996.story]://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/actress-claim-to-be-gay-by-choice-riles-activists-1663996.story[/b]



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PostPosted: 01/28/12 4:42 am • # 2 
Cynthia can only speak for herself but she can't speak for others.


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PostPosted: 01/28/12 4:56 am • # 3 
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LOL, who knows for sure, especially with these hollywood types? Image

However, if she is bisexual, then she still didn't have a choice to be that way, right? Just like hermaphrodites didn't choose to be born with both sexual organs. Or, if she chose to ignore her homosexuality by having heterosexual relationships until now, then she's lying and didn't really choose, but finally made peace with her sexuality.

I just love the way haters jump on any justification for their hate as I've seen in another group. I personally don't care. This woman should have kept her yap shut about her sexual preference or just made a simple statement.  "Yes, I am gay". Choice or not, it is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS and everyone should be allowed to live the life they so choose without prejudice.
 
I understand the gay community's worry. Parents will jump at this to denigrate their children if they have come out to them already or use it as a preaching point if they suspect their child is gay. Image

Will this never end?


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PostPosted: 01/31/12 5:04 am • # 4 
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So there! ~ Image ~ Sooz

Cynthia Nixon Releases Statement to Clear Up Controversial Gay Comments
RadarOnline[/url], Monday, January 30, 2012, 12:00pm (PST)
By Amber Goodhand[/i] - Radar Reporter

Cynthia Nixon recently caused a stir when she did an interview with The New York Times in which she said for her, homosexuality is a choice.

But now she's taken it a step further, giving a statement to The Advocate to explain what she meant in the interview -- saying bisexuality is not a choice, but her decision to be in a homosexual relationship is.

"My recent comments in The New York Times were about me and my personal story of being gay. I believe we all have different ways we came to the gay community and we can't and shouldn't be pigeon-holed into one cultural narrative which can be uninclusive and disempowering," Cynthia said.

"However, to the extent that anyone wishes to interpret my words in a strictly legal context I would like to clarify: While I don't often use the word, the technically precise term for my orientation is bisexual. I believe bisexuality is not a choice, it is a fact. What I have 'chosen' is to be in a gay relationship."

Earlier this month Cynthia told The New York Times: "I gave a speech recently, an empowerment speech to a gay audience, and it included the line 'I've been straight and I've been gay, and gay is better.' And they tried to get me to change it, because they said it implies that homosexuality can be a choice. And for me, it is a choice."

The notion that being gay is a choice is something that has ruffled the feathers of the LGBT community for quite some time, as most believe their sexual orientation is something inherited at birth and is not a choice, just as much as heterosexuality is not a choice.

"As I said in the Times and will say again here, I do, however, believe that most members of our community -- as well as the majority of heterosexuals -- cannot and do not choose the gender of the persons with whom they seek to have intimate relationships because, unlike me, they are only attracted to one sex," Cynthia continued in her statement to The Advocate.

"Our community is not a monolith, thank goodness, any more than America itself is. I look forward to and will continue to work toward the day when America recognizes all of us as full and equal citizens."

http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/cynthia-nixon-explains-its-a-choice-to-be-gay-statement-says-shes-bisexual-chose-gay-relationship-1664310.story



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PostPosted: 01/31/12 6:15 am • # 5 
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nice parsing.


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PostPosted: 01/31/12 7:09 am • # 6 
This is all so stupid.  Being gay or bisexual is not a choice.  Acting on it is.  Having a relationship with anyone is a choice whether homosexual or heterosexual.  A bisexual or homosexual who chooses not to have a relationship with a person of the same sex is still a bisexual or homosexual.  It's possible they simply haven't found anyone they are attracted to that strongly.  Some may not even know they are until they do find that person.  While I do understand the irritation the gay activists feel, they need to remember that she is one person.  The people who would use her words against gays are against gays anyway.


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