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PostPosted: 02/19/13 9:32 pm • # 1 

Let's discuss the Oscar Pistorius case.

The prosecution says Oscar Pistorius got into an argument with his girl friend, Reeva, who was spending the night. To escape from Pistorius' fury, Reeva ran into the bathroom and locked the door. Pistorius shoot his 9mm pistol through the locked door.

Pistorius offers his version of what happened:

Pistorius' Affidavit (via CNN):

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"I woke up, went to the balcony to bring the fan in and closed the sliding doors. ... I heard a noise in the bathroom. ... I felt a sense of terror rushing over me. There are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and I knew that contractors ... had left the ladders outside. ... I did not have my prosthetic legs on. ... I grabbed my 9mm pistol from underneath my bed. ... I screamed ... to get out of my house and for Reeva to phone the police. It was pitch-dark in the bedroom and I thought Reeva was in bed. ... I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted to Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond. ... When I reached the bed, I realized that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet. ... I found the key and opened the door. Reeva was slumped over but alive." Later in the Affidavit, Pistorius says, "...She died in my arms."

In another part of the Affidavit, Pistorius says:

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"I am acutely aware of violent crime being committed by intruders entering homes with a view to commit crime, including violent crime. I have received death threats before. I have also been a victim of violent and burglary before. For that reason I kept my firearm, a 9mm Parabellum, underneath my bed when I went to bed at night. ... It fills me with horror and fear of an intruder or intruders being inside the toilet. I thought he or they must have entered through the unprotected window. As I did not have my prosthetic legs on and felt extremely vulnerable, I knew I had to protect Reeva and myself. I believed that when the intruder came out of the toilet we would be in grave danger. I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps."



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PostPosted: 02/20/13 12:26 am • # 2 

What I think is odd is that he wouldn't call out to his girl friend in the bed that there was a burglar in the bathroom and he intended to shoot them. Wouldn't a person normally say, "Honey, there's a burglar in the bathroom! Get down! I'm going to shoot them!"


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 7:19 am • # 3 
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Guilty.

Before you pull the trigger, you'd better make damn sure you know what you're shooting at. Being "terrified" by a bump in the night is no excuse.

Sounds like his lawyer coached him.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 7:58 am • # 4 
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There are a lot of troubling things about this crime, perhaps the most damaging of which [at least to me] is the police history of domestic violence calls between them ~ and maybe it's just me, but it seems very strange to lock your bedroom door when it's just you and your spouse/partner/significant other home in bed ~ all we have so far is his story, which is obviously self-serving ~ altho I'm leaning to "guilty", I'm reserving judgment until we know more ~

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PostPosted: 02/20/13 9:29 am • # 5 

I heard on CNN this morning that the bullets were fired in the direction of the toilet. Does that mean he suspected she was sitting there, or did they just happen to go in that direction?

If you believed that burglars were in your bathroom behind a locked door, I could see your panicking and firing your gun through the door at them. But if your intent were to murder someone you knew, would you try to kill them by firing at them through a closed door?! Wouldn't you consider that the wood might block the bullets or deflect them and the person might survive? Wouldn't it make more sense to break the door down first or unlock it before shooting that them?

He says in his affidavit: "I found the key and opened the door." If his intent was to murder his girl friend, wouldn't have simply gotten the key and unlocked the door, rather than firing shots through the wooden door?




Sooz wrote: "The police history of domestic violence calls between them."

I heard there was no history of any domestic violence between them. Can you provide your source?


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 9:48 am • # 6 
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Ok wait. I'm confused. The bathroom door was locked? Most don't really have a key, per se. They can be opened with a tool and/or a pointed object.

I'm still confused as to why anyone would think a burglar would come in and go into the bathroom. :g

All of it sounds fishy to me. I would have woken up my partner, gotten out of the room/house and called the police.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 9:51 am • # 7 
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One other thing. I know that if you are jolted awake and afraid, things can get confusing. My Aunt kept a loaded pistol under her pillow at night after her hubby died. She woke up to a sound, grabbed the gun and shot. At the ceiling, lol. I'm sure if there had been an intruded, he wasn't in the ceiling. She didn't know why she shot that direction. Ended up having to have the ceiling and roof repaired. :b


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 10:17 am • # 8 
I am thinking very guilty. Had me at history of domestic violence.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 10:58 am • # 9 
Guilty, he kille dher. I don't know if it was premeditated or what, but he shot through a closed door, not knowing who was on the other side.

When I read his description, my mind saw it that way:

They fought
She locked herself in the bathroom
He tried to beat the door down
He threatened her
He shot her
Then he finished beating the door down

Cynical, I know. FM would say I am a man hater (or his wife would, I guess).


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 11:01 am • # 10 
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I heard on CNN this morning that the bullets were fired in the direction of the toilet. Does that mean he suspected she was sitting there, or did they just happen to go in that direction?

If you believed that burglars were in your bathroom behind a locked door, I could see your panicking and firing your gun through the door at them. But if your intent were to murder someone you knew, would you try to kill them by firing at them through a closed door?! Wouldn't you consider that the wood might block the bullets or deflect them and the person might survive? Wouldn't it make more sense to break the door down first or unlock it before shooting that them?

He says in his affidavit: "I found the key and opened the door." If his intent was to murder his girl friend, wouldn't have simply gotten the key and unlocked the door, rather than firing shots through the wooden door?




Sooz wrote: "The police history of domestic violence calls between them."

I heard there was no history of any domestic violence between them. Can you provide your source?


Anger. I am sure he regrets it today, but heat of the moment.....

And most people familiar with guns know that short range a door won't deflect the bullet much at all.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 11:05 am • # 11 
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Depends where and how the bullet hits the door, IMO.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 12:44 pm • # 12 
He explains in his affidavit:

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There are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and I knew that contractors ... had left the ladders outside. ... I did not have my prosthetic legs on. ... I grabbed my 9mm pistol from underneath my bed.


That explains why he thought there were burglars in the bathroom.

He says he didn't have his prosthetic legs on. So I think a key to solving this crime would be to determine at what angle the bullets hit the door. If they were fired from near the floor, then that would back-up his story. However, if they were fired from the height of a man standing on legs, then we would know it was murder.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 2:43 pm • # 13 
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Thanks SciFi. My comprehension seems to have vanished. :o

Maybe it's because the entire story seems a little confusing to me in the first place.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 2:47 pm • # 14 
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To me, it's murder no matter who you shoot if they're behind a closed door, because there's no threat.

As soon as the total stranger comes OUT of the bathroom it's self-defense if you fire. But not until then, IMO.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 3:25 pm • # 15 
He pulled the trigger - several times. Guilty... now it's just a question of "degree".


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 5:14 pm • # 16 
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We are talking Johanesburg here...probably the most violent city in the world. It's pretty far fetched and certainly careless of him, but his story is plausible.

I get a kick out of the way the ladies in here assume it's him that was at fault in the domestic police calls. How do you know she wasn't the aggressor and he was the one who called the police. Actually the police officer was so vague about the calls, it may not even have been them involved. But hey, it's politically correct to blame the guy, so let's string him up. No evidence required.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 5:23 pm • # 17 
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jim, are you channeling FM? :g


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 5:26 pm • # 18 
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roseanne wrote:
jim, are you channeling FM? :g


Nope, although I often do agree with him on some subjects. Why do you ask? Are you afraid of the questions I posed?


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 5:27 pm • # 19 
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I don't think he'll be convicted of premeditated murder.
The evidence is too iffy and there are too many inconsistencies, IMO.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013 ... -bail.html


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 5:54 pm • # 20 
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jimwilliam wrote:
roseanne wrote:
jim, are you channeling FM? :g


Nope, although I often do agree with him on some subjects. Why do you ask? Are you afraid of the questions I posed?



Afraid? I never said that I thought he had ever attacked her. In fact, I never posted a thought about that part of this whole thing. You just sound angry for some reason.

What questions? You made a few statements. I have always known and admitted that women have been the violent ones in relationships.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 6:06 pm • # 21 
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I'm not angry, Roseanne. I was just teasing. I keep forgetting to use smilies. :


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 7:10 pm • # 22 
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Whew! Ok. :k


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 7:11 pm • # 23 
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His explanation makes sense to me.
Where I live burglars always use ladders from contractors to climb through bathroom windows without burglar bars.
And yes, our burglars are always using the bathroom right after entry and are considerate enough to lock the door.


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 8:14 pm • # 24 
I'm glad I live in Canada. Our burglars usually come in the back door and head right for the fridge because that's where we keep the beer. ;)


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PostPosted: 02/20/13 8:21 pm • # 25 
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LMAO
Ièll be putting a lock on the fridge first thing tomorrow.


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