I am glad the outpatient therapy was successful for your son. Insurance is a huge problem, but there are charity care programs out there. In my area, John Brooks Recovery Center works with the uninsured. The individual states fund charity care.

Decriminalize it so people can get treatment. I think the only cure for drugs is serious treatment. Treat them like criminals and they will act like criminals.

And to get slightly personal, I just put my son through rehab this fall. 6 weeks of intense outpatient group therapy and weekly drug tests. The sessions were 3 times a week for 3 hours at a time. With a LISW, who basically asked a question, but the men pretty much gave the therapy and support. Imagine my surprise when I got the EOB from the insurance company. (My husband has GREAT insurance) They billed our insurance $12,000.00 (I paid $200). That is REALLY out of reach for most people without insurance. It should not cost that much to get help getting off drugs. I was appalled and really pissed off. I met all the men in his group, many were struggling financially and most did not have insurance.


He has been successfully clean for about 6 months now

totally agree, pickey. surprised?

how are the other aspects of his life working, now?

Not good. My biggest stress and my biggest failure.

No, I feel like we have had the discussion before.

But doing something that will accomplish nothing for the sake of saying you did something is worse than doing nothing

And you know for sure that it will "accomplish nothing"? How?
It's 50/50 that it will or won't accomplish anything worthwhile.
So how is 50/50 "worse than doing nothing"?

How do you get to 50/50? I don't see it as 5/95. I don't see it changing anything at all. So we are making MORE regulations that will achieve nothing, imo. To date not a soul has been able to tell me how any new regs would have prevented SH or any of the other shootings short of confiscating every weapon in the country.

Of course the charity programs are full. That is not going to get better. Budget cuts generally go for social programs first inclusive of drug/alcohol treatments.

Don't agree with you on the consensual crime issues. Babies and families of the addicts did't consent and are amongst the wreckage. Huge societal cost.

Of course the charity programs are full. That is not going to get better. Budget cuts generally go for social programs first inclusive of drug/alcohol treatments.

Don't agree with you on the consensual crime issues. Babies and families of the addicts did't consent and are amongst the wreckage. Huge societal cost.

no different with legal drugs. in fact, much much worse. people will make bad choices, no matter what the legal status of those choices.

What is SoH? And of course alcohol in excess is destructive.

They will change a lot. None of it positive. The question should be, before creating a new law or regulation, what positive effect will it have. I don't see any of the changes proposed as far as those needing congressional approval as having any positive effect on the situation.

I also find it rather disturbing how the govt is able to come up with a 'solution' to the gun violence in this country a month after the SH shooting, but the govt can't come up with a 'solution' to all of the other issues that have plagued this country. I think the govt is rushing on this just as we did in invading afghanistan and Iraq. Knee jerk reactions with no real viable solution.

They will change a lot. None of it positive. The question should be, before creating a new law or regulation, what positive effect will it have. I don't see any of the changes proposed as far as those needing congressional approval as having any positive effect on the situation.

I also find it rather disturbing how the govt is able to come up with a 'solution' to the gun violence in this country a month after the SH shooting, but the govt can't come up with a 'solution' to all of the other issues that have plagued this country. I think the govt is rushing on this just as we did in invading afghanistan and Iraq. Knee jerk reactions with no real viable solution.

So, how is it that such idiots had an AK-47?