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PostPosted: 01/16/13 8:51 am • # 26 
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Nah, that's been done. I don't want to hire trolls. All that immigration paperwork.


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PostPosted: 01/16/13 11:28 am • # 27 
I see schools, but no churches or hospitals.

An Ayn-Rand-inspired utopia would necessarily imply strength, fitness, survival of the fittest type philosophy in which those who are "weak" or "unfit" would be viewed as a drag on the economy,and not capable of pulling their own weight--under this model those incapable of "contributing" to the society would be "eliminated" (ostracized?) to ensure the success of the fittest.

In this kind of society there would be no need for churches or hospitals, or any kind of social safety net other than the goodwill of one's neighbors... :puke


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PostPosted: 01/16/13 8:51 pm • # 28 
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You can assume they would shun vaccination programs. Probably wiped out by whooping cough and tuberculosis in five years.


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PostPosted: 01/19/13 5:18 pm • # 29 
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Here's some follow-up ~ what could possibly go wrong with a "convicted extortionist" as a "key player"? ~ :g ~ Sooz

Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 3:00 PM
Convicted extortionist a key player in Idaho citadel project
Antigovernment "patriots" are fighting over one man's involvement in a plot to build a walled city near St. Maries.
By Bill Morlin, Southern Poverty Law Center

This article was originally published by The Southern Poverty Law Center.

If you’re a band of antigovernment “Patriots” pitching a plan to build a walled city in North Idaho and manufacture handguns and assault rifles there, you might expect raised eyebrows, a little criticism. But potshots from other Patriots?

Potshots, indeed, are flying at III Arms Co. and its sister land development company, Citadel Land Development, the firms behind a proposed 2,000- to 3,000-acre III Citadel complex for as many as 7,000 “Patriot” families near St. Maries, in Idaho’s sparsely populated Benewah County.

The criticism is sparked by the fact that one of the key players linked to the unlikely-sounding venture is three-time convicted felon Christian Allen Kerodin, a Maryland contractor who has apparently used various aliases and whose birth name was Christian Hyman. His wife or partner, Holly Ann Kerodin, has been involved in questionable charity, counseling, publishing and other ventures that have failed, various critics say.

In the past few days, attacks on the much-ballyhooed Citadel fortress and its planned gun-building plant have come from Alabama Patriot leader and blogger Michael Brian Vanderboegh and survivalist author and so-called “sovereign citizen” James Wesley, Rawles. Rawles (who, like many sovereigns, punctuates his name in a bizarre way) generally is credited with coming up with the idea of building a fortified community in the Pacific Northwest — what he has called the “American Redoubt” — for Christian Patriots.

Kerodin, public records show, was convicted in 2004 of federal extortion, attempted extortion and possession of an illegal firearm charges. The accusations were filed in Virginia after Kerodin, purporting to be a counter-terrorism expert, attempted to coerce shopping mall owners in the Washington, D.C., area to hire him to develop better security. He served 30 months in federal prison and now can’t legally possess firearms as a felon.

“Who would want to go live in a community run by this guy?” Vanderboegh asked on his website, where he spends most of his time bashing the federal government. “Not that there’s a chance in hell he’ll even have a viable firearms business … let alone his Citadel (community).”

Rawles, for his part, said on his survivalist blog that he was “quite troubled to learn that the main promoter of Citadel III is a convicted felon.”

Kerodin “seems to imply that I’ve somehow endorsed his venture or that what they are doing fits in with my American Redoubt concept,” Rawles said. “I haven’t endorsed it, and he is not my buddy,” he added. “To the best of my knowledge I’ve never met, spoken or corresponded with the man.”

Rawles wrote that he has “nothing to do with” the plans to build a walled fortress whose residents would make their living by manufacturing AR-15-style assault rifles and 1911-style .45-caliber semi-automatic pistols. “My only nexus to him is that he chose a piece of land that is in one of the states that I recommend for relocation. He has apparently tried to capitalize on my name,” Rawles said.

This week, Kerodin responded angrily on his blog, saying “Little Mikey Vanderboegh is attempting, once again, to hurt hundreds of Patriots, using me as a weapon.”

He asked if Vanderboegh had enough “courage to ever meet me face-to-face and repeat your written words,” and dared him to show up at a meeting on April 19, the anniversary of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. “Insignificant people like Vanderboegh will always seek to attack the winners in life,” the convicted felon sniffed. “For those Patriots involved in the Citadel project, march on!”

Kerodin has an assortment of antigovernment rants on his blog and talks there about changing his name when he decided to open a “small security consulting firm in the D.C. area.” “Knowing that I was certain to annoy various elements of the violent Muslim world, I went to court and legally changed my name,” he wrote in 2010. “The concept was that when I ticked off the Muslims and they came looking for me, they would not show up at my parent’s home or sister’s home, endangering my family.”

Kerodin’s associate, James L. Miller, who identifies himself as president of III Arms Co., also responded angrily to the project’s critics on the Citadel’s Facebook page. “Folks, we are being slandered by some very disgusting people, and that slander has been furthered by someone a lot of us probably both trusted and respected: James Wesley, Rawles,” Miller wrote.

“Mr. Rawles, without researching a single bit of the cut/paste hatchet job from a cancer ridden, soon-to-expire self-admitted communist, has insulted the intelligence of Patriots all across the globe,” Miller wrote.

Its promoters say that III Arms Co. “exists to help Liberty survive by dedicating revenue to build a community of Patriots, by Patriots, for Patriots. You can find us in the Citadel, Idaho.” Its website continues: “More than 40 American Patriots joined together to form III Arms and to build solid firearms with a purpose: Fighting Arms to defend Liberty,” according to its website, which already is taking orders for assault rifles and semi-automatic pistols.

“The Citadel will be a small planned community of 3,500-7,000 families of patriotic Americans who voluntarily choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson’s ideal of Rightful Liberty,” the website adds.

Christian Kerodin, listing an address in St. Maries, and Holly Kerodin, listing a Gaithersburg, Md., address, filed organization papers in November with the Idaho Secretary of State for Citadel Land Development LLC. In August, Holly Kerodin filed similar incorporation papers in Idaho and Maryland for III Arms Co., LLC.

Citadel is now accepting $208 “application fees” for Patriot applicants, who must pass a screening test to be accepted in the community Kerodin and his partners say they are planning. “Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles,” its website says.

“We hope to acquire our final destination for the Citadel during the summer of 2013, and break ground shortly after,” the Citadel backers say on their website.

The proposed patriot community is stirring a lot of interest and media coverage, spurred in part by the national gun-control discussion. It got a brief recent mention in the far-right Drudge Report.

The St. Maries Gazette, a weekly newspaper in the community, reported this week that county property records show that III Arms Co., LLC, of Meridian, Idaho, bought 20 acres at the head of Cherry Creek in October. “The property is served by a logging road and is not accessible during winter months,” the newspaper reported.

The editor of the newspaper, Dan Hammes, told Hatewatch that he has made repeated unsuccessful telephone and E-mail attempts to contact Citadel representatives. “I’ve gotten nothing back from them,” he said.

Christina Crawford, president of the Benewah Human Rights Coalition, said that many in her community question if the Citadel backers can find enough land and meet necessary water-rights and sanitation requirements.

“Benewah County has had the reputation in the past of being the Wild West, but that doesn’t mean building codes and health requirements will be thrown out the window,” she told Hatewatch. “Our concern is not only for the people coming in, but for the people already here.”

Although the Citadel backers have boasted that they already have several hundred families planning to move to their dream city, there’s no evidence that that is in fact the case. In any event, Crawford said, reports of the planned project have “alerted, I won’t say alarmed, people who live here.”

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/19/convicted_extortionist_a_key_player_in_idaho_citadel_project/


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PostPosted: 02/04/13 2:17 pm • # 30 
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This is "lovely" news ~ and Miller sounds like a real ... <fill in your own descriptor> ~ :angry ~ Sooz

ATF Approves Prepper Paradise Firearms Company
Eric Lach-February 4, 2013, 2:51 PM

The people behind The Citadel project, who are hoping to build a walled prepper community in Idaho, touted a milestone last week: the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has given them the green light to start manufacturing firearms.

“In this afternoon’s mail, III Arms Company received a little note from the ATF saying: ‘Thanks for your interest, please start building firearms,’” Jim Miller, the company’s president, wrote on the company’s blog last Thursday. “Yup. The III Arms Company now possesses our ‘Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices’ License, otherwise known as an 07FFL, and we can legally manufacture and assemble your firearms. Oh yeah, happy days!”

The ATF license is an important step for The Citadel project. Organizers are hoping that proceeds from the gun business will underwrite the construction and development of the community, which is envisioned as a place for 3,500 to 7,000 “patriotic American families” who want to be ready for society’s collapse, and who want to live around more guns and fewer liberals in the meantime.

ATF records accessed online on Monday confirmed the license issued to Millerized LLC, a company Miller registered in August in West Virginia, which does business under the name III Arms Company. (An apparently separate company called III Arms Company LLC was registered in Idaho in August, and lists Holly Kerodin, another key Citadel organizer, as an officer.)

III Arms began taking orders in November for both AR-15 type semiautomatic rifles and 1911 pistols. Both guns start at a base price of $1,550. A disclaimer on the company website warns that delivery timelines are currently subject to “great uncertainty due to the current political climate and parts availability.” The ATF license, though, allows the company to start fulfilling orders.

“This step takes us from a mostly conceptual stage to a real world planning stage,” a Citadel organizer, who blogs under the names Vernon and VJ, wrote Friday on The Citadel’s blog. “This will change the nature of our blog, somewhat. Most of our planning discussions will move to our private forum. We still welcome your ideas and information that you think may be helpful to the project. There’s lots of good information and ideas out there that we might not be aware of. We will keep you updated on our progress, of course. However, we now have much better things to do with our time than to argue with those who just want to criticize us, so we aren’t going to.”

For Miller, the ATF license provided a certain amount of vindication — the Citadel project has drawn criticism from a number of other preppers and separatists. Included in his blog post last week, Miller uploaded a picture in which he is holding up the license paperwork in one hand and flashing his middle finger with the other hand.

“This is the last nail in the coffin for those who told us it couldn’t be done,” Miller wrote in the post. “You could have been a part of it, but no……you cried to your masters, and you failed them. You and your strap hangers sullied (at least attempted to) our names on blogs and sites around the world, and you all failed. You didn’t even have the balls to publish how I was going to make it work when you first got your panties wadded up. Instead you cried like a whiny little bitch who didn’t get their way….. and you failed yet again.”

Miller also revealed some bits of information about The Citadel’s recent wave of publicity. According to Miller, web hits on the Citadel’s blog surpassed 160,000 in late January, and hits to the III Arms company site “have been almost as numerous.” III Arms sales “increased exponentially during the past 2 weeks.”

Miller did not immediately respond to a request for comment from TPM.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/iii_arms_atf_approval.php?ref=fpnewsfeed


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PostPosted: 02/04/13 2:38 pm • # 31 
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ATF is probably tracking every single one of those sales.
A good way to trace the nutters, I'd say.


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PostPosted: 02/04/13 9:07 pm • # 32 
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will they be adopting Jefferson's decidedly agnostic psuedo-Christianity as their official religion?


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PostPosted: 02/05/13 6:35 pm • # 33 
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There are enough suckers to keep Beck well fed.


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PostPosted: 02/05/13 9:57 pm • # 34 
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oskar576 wrote:
There are enough suckers to keep Beck well fed.


then this whole ruse will have served it's purpose.


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PostPosted: 02/05/13 10:34 pm • # 35 
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Will the dream of their utopia be destroyed by evil gubmit red tape and tyranny?

Stay tuned. :popcorn


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