Another case of legal until it isn't.

I'm not defending the rationales, just offering a possible insight as to why some might oppose gun registration besides the idiotic paranoia towards gov't.

I understand that, cannalee.

Confiscation and also someone somewhere deciding to publish a list in the paper.

I don't think there will be wholesale confiscation, but that doesn't mean at some point someone isn't going to decide that *I* don't need my gun(s). Or a limit is placed on how many we can own and I am on a list with them all....

That's a Shera argument... the "slippery slope" stuff.

Sometimes, the slope is in fact slippery.

It isn't slippery slope. There are law makers who want to take guns, a list of guns and their owners would make that easier.

The odds for me to win the lottery are a tad higher.

A few decades ago the Germans had to register their gun collections. They screamed and moaned. They still have them. Those who commit crimes with unregistered guns are punished a little harder, if you can speak of punishment in Germany.

There are law makers who want to take guns, a list of guns and their owners would make that easier.

Their names and their proposed laws, please.

Feinstein
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... 8ca4359119

Ban 120 specific firearms.

ALL our guns CAN take over 10 rounds, even handguns. My gun came with 15 round magazines. I didn't seek them out, it came standard with my gun. So, that means ALL our guns are are on the chopping block.

Could you point out where she's "gonna take your guns away"?

From your link: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment

That grandfather clause actually prevents the taking away of your guns - the exact opposite.

Can your guns accept a 9-round magazine? All it means is that there are fewer bullets in it, right?

I know what it does, but there are so many out there now that would then become a commodity for the black market. Even high capacity magazines, I don't see them allowing them all once it is said and done.

And, to be clear, I would give up a lot of my stuff if I was certain it would work. I would give it up willingly if I thought that they could get it from the criminal element as well.

It would prevent more from getting into the "system" and anybody doing any unrecorded gun sales would be committing a crime.
If a weapon that is illegally sold is used in a crime the seller could then face prison for aiding and abeting.
It might give many sellers reason to reconsider.

You are saying that by not making more high capacity guns, the ones you currently own are of higher value to the underground market?

Because I don't know the answer. How many bullets does your 15 round magazine shoot without reloading?

Yes, but we aren't the only ones that own them. They are common guns. It isn't the gun that is high capacity, any gun CAN be high capacity with the right magazine (except revolvers and shotguns, I guess). The magazines will become HIGHLY traded on the black market.

My gun CAN shoot 16 bullets without reloading. That is great at the range, not really necessary in the real world, but my gun came with 3 magazines. I don' t know what it would cost to replace them with 10 round magazines and right now, i have no impetus to do so.

And, while high capacity magazines and AR type guns have been used in these mass shootings, over 75% of gun homicides are from handguns. So, I agree with Monster a bit about the banning of high capacity magazines is knee jerk.

I just looked them up, they are $50.00, but out of stock most places. So, it would cost me $200.00 to replace them, for 1 gun. For ALL out guns we are talking in the thousands.

Quality magazine are important. In the Clackmas Mall shooting, he had high capacity magazines, cheap ones. And, they acted like cheap ones and failed. That is why he killed so few people.

The magazines will become HIGHLY traded on the black market.

So? Make the penalty for anyone doing that, or anyone caught using one purchased on the black market so high that they never see the light of day.

Good. I don't want anyone to have high quality magazines, except the military or police.

Feinstein's bill wants your gun to come standard with a smaller magazine in the future. I think that's good, too. Smaller magazines seem effective for self defense.

I am not sure why you and monster are anti-legislation against the large magazines. It is going to help in extreme cases but not in the majority. I understand that part. 55 percent of handgun deaths are suicides. I don't think the magazine size is important there either. They only need a bullet or two.

I am not against it. It is a regulation I will support. I just don't think it will work to stop these killings.

Also, it is hard to know how they will grandfather these in. How can I prove that these magazines came with my gun when I got it?

The Bill of Sale?

I didn't keep it and my husband doesn't keep anything.

Question: In reading Feinstein's proposed gun ban legislation, I read "Additional funding to enable ATF to implement legislation"; I wonder what exactly "implementing the legislation" entails? Raids of private residences where the presence of unregistered guns is suspected? Such raids conjures up a horror that occurred in Columbia Mo years ago....
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That would require a warrant.
A warrant requires evidence or at least very strong probable cause.