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Haven't learned how to post vds on this site yet...

Because I don't think creating new laws is going to do anything to solve the problem. Its the same thing we've been doing in this country for a long time now. We put bandaids on gaping wounds. What happened at Sandy Hook is beyond calling it a tragedy. But NOTHING that has been proposed as far as new regs on guns is going to prevent something like that from happening again. Like mpicky, if someone can come up with something that will work, then I am all for it. But that has yet to happen. The blowback from creating laws is you create a new criminal element and expand the existing ones by giving them another product to peddle. These new laws and orders will do absolutely nothing to prevent these kinds of shootings from happening again.

As for locking people up so they never see daylight again, that is ridiculous and extreme. Which serve no purpose than to drive up the price of banned guns and parts. And then it increases the amount of people we already have incarcerated. Locking someone up that has a magazine that shoots 30 bullets forever? That is the kind of talk that gives the gun lobby what they need to scare the hell out of people. To make them think the govt is coming to take their guns away. Hells Bells, look what the rumors about the 'sweeping' gun control measures have done to the gun market.

Folks, give me something that will REALLY solve the problem or I will be one of the 'from my cold dead hands' folks .

New York just banned them outright. You have 1 year from today to sell them out of state.

If you don't mention the guns are from out of state, and have someone with Arkansas ID sell them for you, you can sell them easily enough without any proof of ownership even....

Yes, I get that. But Oskar's assertion all along has been that what has been legally purchased to this point is safe. It obviously isn't.

Prices of 8 round magazines are going to go through the roof. Why? Because now they HAVE to buy them.

I dont' think it's ridiculous or extreme. If you trade your AR-15 for $100 and an eight-ball, and they kill someone with it, you are complicit and go to jail. Go directly to jail for 10 years. You are worrying about growing the criminal element without punishing the providers. I don't think that guy was a responsible citizen even though he purchased the gun legally. Nor was the soccer mom who wore her glock on her belt to kids' soccer games and then ended up in a murder/suicide with baby daddy.

There isn't going to be a magic bullet solution here. Mental health services do not work if people don't access them. You really think Tim McVeigh or Eric Harris would have availed themselves to Mental Health services. They had anti-social personality disorder, and with that comes a righteous indignation and sense of moral superiority.

What solution do you have, monster, to bandage the wound because to me arming everyone is not a viable solution?

Again I ask: how are these laws going to be enforced?

in Switzerland they have annual household firearms inspections.

Announced ahead of time?

Does it matter?

Oh yeah, it matters....!

They aren't going to do that. It's always like the sky is falling. The big, bad government is invading.

Where they come and search your home? That isn't against the Constitution, unreasonable search and seizure?

Or, just search of gun owners homes, because that would be unconstitutional as well. You can't search the urine of poor people just because they are on welfare, how can you search the home of a gun owner just because they own a gun?

You wouldn't care if you weren't doing anything wrong. Patriot Act defense right there.

meh. nobody seems to give a shit about the PATRIOT Act. i have been squealing about it every day since it passed, and yet, it keeps getting renewed and even strengthened. Bedtime For Democracy happened in 2001, but nobody did SHIT about it, pickey- so forgive me if i don't give much attention to anyone's very late sense of outrage over our lost rights.

I wish I had the solution. And to be quite honest, I don't think there is a solution. It's like trying to put the horses back in the barn after they've been on the run for a hundred years. There are over 300 million weapons out there now. Without confiscating every one of them, you will not prevent another Sandy Hook from happening. You will not prevent another mall or theater shooting. I cried when I heard about the SH shooting. I have a son that will be 8 years old, in 10 days and I couldn't imagine what those parents that lost their kids went through. But nothing that I have seen proposed so far will stop it from happening again. NOTHING. Doing 'something' for the sake of saying you did something is foolish, imo.


I know this is a bit political but Ima say it anyway. There should have been a lot more talking and working before we came up with what we came up with. SH took place less than a month ago and we already have EO's and new laws being proposed. How long has health care been in the toilet, unemployment been high, welfare and public assistance dependency gone through the roof, but in less than a month, we can deal with a gun issue?

the quantity of weapons is immaterial. there is no correlation between the number of weapons and the murder rate. no, it is something else. and i think we should have a national debate about what that something else is, and then we should do something about it, and try to save 60 lives a day.

my business gets invaded all of the time. it is not a violation of my privacy rights. but, just to be clear, there is no right to privacy in the constitution. sorry. there just isn't.

There isn't a solution for the short term. I agree with you, monster. If an Eric Harris, Tim McVeigh, Jared Lautner, Adam Lanza wants to slaughter people they are going to be able to. They are all willing to die for their cause so fear of punishment isn't going to impede anything ether.

I think pushing back on the upping of the gun ante is a good idea. I don't think responsible gun owners need to mow down a mall without reloading. I really don't. Maybe the steps we make now to stop the escalation will do some good in the future, because you have to start somewhere at sometime.

Lord I hope you aren't being facetious!!!!

Because I agree!

What are you arguing? Do you really think the government is going to go door to door to do gun inspections? The nation is paranoid enough on this issue without putting stuff like that out there.

So, because there's no "magic bullet" to fix it all (yeah, I went there-lol) we should do absolutely nothing, Monster?

As for locking people up so they never see daylight again, that is ridiculous and extreme.

I'm friggin' SICK AND TIRED of having to be reasonable and polite and thoughtful while the gun nuts get to scream about every imagined boogeyman they can come up with. If they can toss shit to see what sticks, so can I.

I have been right there with you bitching about the Patriot Act and being against drug tests for welfare. In fact I have been VERY vocal about both.

Roe V Wade determined it was implied.

I am more than willing to say guns are a part of the problem, but I think it goes much deeper.

In MY experience, both sides have been equally screaming and terribly rude and unhelpful to the conversation.