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PostPosted: 12/28/12 9:27 am • # 1 
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More Guns in Schools Are Coming
by Steven D
Thu Dec 27th, 2012 at 11:24:59 PM EST

Texas is a whole 'nother country. That was an advertising slogan, one to increase tourism. But there is some truth to it. And Texas is really a symbol for all the deeply red states where "Guns & God" (i.e., the God of the Last Judgment, not the merciful loving god) are clung to by so many people. Indeed, guns are a religion in those states, so it should come as no surprise that gun activists are pushing for more guns in schools, and the first battleground they have chosen will be the Lone Star State.

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ARLINGTON -- In the wake of the Connecticut school shooting, two gun-rights activists are preparing to return to the Arlington school board early next year hoping to persuade the district to allow teachers and administrators to carry concealed handguns on campus. [...]

"We have to allow qualified people to be ready to roll when the time comes," said [NRA puppet] McElwee, who is not discouraged by the board's lack of consideration of the idea last year. "The idea of allowing teachers to carry guns is gaining momentum on its own."

Gaining momentum on its own? Only among the true believers. Unfortunately may of them reside in states like Texas, where Republican control of local government in encased in concrete.

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"You are going to put teachers, people teaching 6-year-olds in a school, and expect them to respond to an active-shooter situation?" said Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, who called the idea of arming teachers "madness."

Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said focusing on arming teachers "furthers a dangerous conversation that only talks about guns as protection without a discussion about the serious risks they present."

But McElwee said the Arlington district may be violating the Second Amendment rights of teachers by not allowing those with a concealed-carry license to bring their weapons to school.

Yes, because the 2nd amendment specifically provides that you can carry your gun on you anywhere, anytime. Sure, there may be no specific language to that effect in the amendment, with all its talk of a well regulated militia, but we all know what the founders wanted, even if they never specifically stated in their arguments for the 2nd amendment that they intended Americans to have that right. After all, "original intent" (with respect to the 2nd amendment and the 2nd amendment alone) can be "understood" to implicitly include the right to carry weapons anywhere people choose, regardless of what the founders actually stated, or past judicial precedent from the 19th century concluded.

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In regard to the Second Amendment, not a single Congressman or Senator is recorded as saying that it would establish an individual's right to possess a weapon. While ambassador to Great Britain, John Adams, in 1787, had authored A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States, in which he wrote that a general availability of arms would "demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man - it is a dissolution of government." In the First Congress, no one contradicted the Vice President's words.

The 9th Circuit, in its 2002 decision Silveira v. Lockyer, stated in its comprehensive review of the original founder's debate over the 2nd amendment:

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We believe the answer to the definitional question is the one that most persons would expect: "militia” refers to a state military force. We reach our conclusion not only because that is the ordinary meaning of the word, but because contemporaneously enacted provisions of the Constitution that contain the word “militia” consistently use the term to refer to a state military entity, not to the people of the state as a whole. [...]

Not only did the drafters of the Constitution use "militia" to refer to state military entities, so too did the drafters of the Constitution's predecessor document, the Articles of Confederation. The Articles provided that "every state shall always keep up a well regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage." THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION art. 6 (1777), in DOCUMENTS OF AMERICAN HISTORY 112 (Henry Steele Commager ed., 7th ed.1963). The "well regulated and disciplined militia[s]" described by the Articles of Confederation were quite clearly those institutions established by the individual states. Thus, the prevailing understanding both before and at the time of the adoption of the Constitution was that a "militia" constituted a state military force to which the able-bodied male citizens of the various states might be called to service.

But as I stated earlier, Texas and the other "red" states no longer care about the purpose of the 2nd amendment. All they care about is allowing guns, regardless of how deadly they may be or how much of a threat they pose to your right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," to be sold and possessed by as many people as possible.

You may not want to have teachers carrying guns in school. You may think it threatens the safety of your children. However, the 2nd amendment (as interpreted by the NRA) trumps all other rights, so tough luck Texans, Floridians, Arizonans, Kansans, and so forth and so on. And lots of luck if your children attend schools where anyone in the future is allowed to carry a concealed weapon if they have a "permit."

Heck, you might as well repeat the same story with respect to malls, bars, stores, ad nauseam. If your state decides you have no right to refuse people who carry firearms to enter your business establishment, well what can I say? We live in the bizarre world of the NRA and America's gun culture, where anyone has the "constitutional right" to carry a weapon anywhere, and you have no right to stop them. Can't wait to see how that plays out at Disney World or your local library, among other places.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/12/27/232459/10


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PostPosted: 12/28/12 9:34 am • # 2 
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Looking forward to the first shootout at the OK Corral High School.

Step 1: Shoot the armed teacher.
Step 2: Mow down everybody else.

Same result, different day.


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PostPosted: 12/28/12 9:37 am • # 3 
You forgot Step 3: Take the dead teacher's gun to kill more people


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PostPosted: 12/28/12 9:41 am • # 4 
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Sorry.
Mass murder isn't my forte.


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PostPosted: 12/28/12 9:46 am • # 5 
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And what about teachers/administrators who might "lose it"? ~ :mad

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PostPosted: 12/28/12 9:54 am • # 6 
Teachers are no more or less even-keeled than the general population.

So kids decide on a new way to make names for themselves. They can take the teacher's arms and kill the classroom. Seems simple enough to me. Dylan and Eric's plans seem to become easier.

Another byproduct of this nonsense. NO ONE unwilling to kill a kid will EVER go into teaching. If the profession of teaching now includes gunslinging who do you think will train to be teachers? Not the people who love the kids, but people willing to kill the kids.

I'm sorry EVERYTHING is so terribly skewed.


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PostPosted: 12/29/12 6:34 am • # 7 
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If teachers are expected to be armed or yo defend their students against armed assaults there will be a shortage of educationally qualified teachers in our future.


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PostPosted: 12/29/12 9:03 am • # 8 
I'm not for teachers and administrators being armed, but I am for armed security (comissioned LE) which many anti-gun activists are not..

I guess we could always train teachers to catch the bullets barehanded as they whiz by............


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PostPosted: 01/01/13 10:57 am • # 9 
I don't know many teachers that want this responsibility on top of all their others.


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PostPosted: 01/01/13 11:03 am • # 10 
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mpicky wrote:
I don't know many teachers that want this responsibility on top of all their others.



Good point! It's not just another responsibility either. It's a HUGE responsibility that could have serious repercussions. I wonder if the school boards/schools would indemnify their teachers should a stray bullet kill an innocent child? Would a teacher ever be able to recover from such a horror?


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PostPosted: 01/01/13 1:20 pm • # 11 
There is really no easy answer--but gun control legislation won't protect the innocents...Arkansas is beefing up its police presence in its public schools as a result of Sandy Hook and I think that's at least a start...So far Arkansas seems to be leaning towards increased police patrols rather than arming the teachers and I think that approach is much more practical as well as safer...


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PostPosted: 01/01/13 2:14 pm • # 12 
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gun control legislation won't protect the innocents

Given the choice of doing nothing-which we know won't help, or doing something that might help...I'll go with doing something and take the chance that it might protect a future victim.


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