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PostPosted: 03/13/13 2:41 pm • # 1 
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If a hypothetical grade one teacher, working for a hypothetically cash strapped school board, hypothetically pirated a number of books to use on her hypothetical smartboard to help some hypothetical six year olds learn to read....

Would that be wrong?
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PostPosted: 03/13/13 2:58 pm • # 2 
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green apple tree wrote:
If a hypothetical grade one teacher, working for a hypothetically cash strapped school board, hypothetically pirated a number of books to use on her hypothetical smartboard to help some hypothetical six year olds learn to read....

Would that be wrong?
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Yes, but only hypothetically.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 3:37 pm • # 3 
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green apple tree wrote:
If a hypothetical grade one teacher, working for a hypothetically cash strapped school board, hypothetically pirated a number of books to use on her hypothetical smartboard to help some hypothetical six year olds learn to read....

Would that be wrong?
:angel


Wrong?
No.

Legal?
Maybe or maybe not.

OTOH, get some real books and use those.
It isn't wrong and it's perfectly legal.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 4:03 pm • # 4 
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green apple tree wrote:
If a hypothetical grade one teacher, working for a hypothetically cash strapped school board, hypothetically pirated a number of books to use on her hypothetical smartboard to help some hypothetical six year olds learn to read....

Would that be wrong?
:angel



It was wrong for Jean Val Jean to steal the bread....but it was necessary. Sometimes necessity warps what would normally be wrong into right. Just don't steal them from the great state of Texas. They've just revised their textbooks and, in doing so, have invented a whole new history of the world. Giddyup you dinosaurs! Giddyup!


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 4:46 pm • # 5 
There is nothing unethical about imparting knowledge. If you have the technical means - do so. Countless generations benefited from the "liberation" of the bible in the 1500's by Martin Luther.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:06 pm • # 6 
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Got a wishlist with titles? :)


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:07 pm • # 7 
I can print out to PDF. ;)


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:10 pm • # 8 
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Ethics is such a flexible issue....


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:12 pm • # 9 
My favorite software comes from "Arrrr Matey!"


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:13 pm • # 10 
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jabra2 wrote:
Got a wishlist with titles? :)


I can easily make you one. Do you have a better source than the p bay?


(sssssssshhhhhh)


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:18 pm • # 11 
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green apple tree wrote:
jabra2 wrote:
Got a wishlist with titles? :)


I can easily make you one. Do you have a better source than the p bay?


(sssssssshhhhhh)


Depends. :angel


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:22 pm • # 12 
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Jab, here is your mission, if you choose to accept it. Can you find a collection of "Neil Flambe Capers" by Keven Sylvester? I was not successful. Warning--they're canadian, and therefore likely obscure.

Ooooh--Gordan Korman "MacDonald Hall" series as well. Also Canadian, also likely located only on some stone tablets somewhere.

Keep in mind, i've already "ye matey"ed my brains out on them, and I couldn't find them.

edit--Kevin Sylvester, would be the proper spelling. Gordan Korman is the author of the second series listed--it's also known as "Bruno and Boots" books.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:44 pm • # 13 
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Hmmm...
It's rare that I don't find any source other than legal one.
Absolutely nothing out there from those authors.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 5:53 pm • # 14 
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Kevin Sylvester is fairly new, and Gordan Korman never really made it out of Canada, though he was published fairly thoroughly here.

Welcome to Canada. We're still communicating through tin cans across pieces of string.


Thanks for trying. I may give you a list of picture books at some point that I can use more in the classroom (those first two authors are favourites of my own offspring).


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 6:30 pm • # 15 
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Ok, I found that site.....shhhhhhh. Is it safe from viruses etc? I'd never heard of it until today. I'm always the last to know.......sigh.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 6:35 pm • # 16 
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Ok, I found that site.....shhhhhhh. Is it safe from viruses etc? I'd never heard of it until today. I'm always the last to know.......sigh.



It's a pain. I've never gotten a virus from it, but I would definitely call it a risky site--and not go anywhere near it without some kind of virus protection. It's also full of popups for porn and gambling and meeting sex buddies in your neighborhood and other crazy crap. It also seems to popup a hundred blank internet explorer pages every time i access it.

But, once you get decent at navigating it, you can find what you want. TV, movies, books. Once you wade through all the porn.

oooh. you'll need some kind of torrent software too, so that you can file share. Ask Jab--he could probably set you up. My husband did ours, I'm not sure where he found it. it's probably a free download from somewhere. Utorrent is what we use.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 6:36 pm • # 17 
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I wonder if you could send a really sweet note with a really cute picture of some really smart kids who really want to read their stuff to the authors and get *them* to donate what you need?

It's a long shot, but it could happen. If they're still living, that is.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 6:41 pm • # 18 
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The authors don't really make that much from their books. Now if a multimillion dollar publishing company was to make some donations, that would really be something.

but nah, that'll never happen.


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PostPosted: 03/13/13 10:44 pm • # 19 

If a hypothetical father, who earns minimum wage, hypothetically broke into your home to steal food out of your refrigerator to help some hypothetical poor children living in a nearby motel....

Would that be wrong?


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PostPosted: 03/14/13 6:27 am • # 20 
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If a hypothetical father, who earns minimum wage, hypothetically broke into your home to steal food out of your refrigerator to help some hypothetical poor children living in a nearby motel....

Would that be wrong?


Well, if he picked my refrigerator, they'd be eating ketchup and mayo. :lol


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PostPosted: 03/14/13 8:28 am • # 21 
roseanne wrote:
Ok, I found that site.....shhhhhhh. Is it safe from viruses etc? I'd never heard of it until today. I'm always the last to know.......sigh.


I don't get hit with viruses, but stick to books. Most movies are honey pots, which tag your IP address, then contact your internet service provider. Then, based on the laws of the internet, they may shut you off. I have been on both sides of the issue, I work for an ISP and I have gotten "caught".


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PostPosted: 03/14/13 8:36 am • # 22 
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Thanks mp. I was mostly thinking about books anyway. Hubby might be interested in the music.


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PostPosted: 03/14/13 9:16 am • # 23 
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Thanks mp. I was mostly thinking about books anyway. Hubby might be interested in the music.



Lucky for me, my internet is provided through my work. So, they get sent a notice, my boss tells me to unplug my router, then we just go on. The day he got 11 notices he was a little peeved. 11, one for each song in an album my husband downloaded. Now he only downloads old stuff.

I use Vuze as my torrent downloader, never had a problem. Just google it, it is free.


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PostPosted: 03/14/13 9:18 am • # 24 
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If a hypothetical father, who earns minimum wage, hypothetically broke into your home to steal food out of your refrigerator to help some hypothetical poor children living in a nearby motel....

Would that be wrong?



Theoretically. but in a society where some have so much more than others, and where the societal systems and those with power over them allow children to starve, maybe it's time to rethink how we follow laws. I don't know. good question.

If it actually happened to me, I would drop all charges in exchange for a drug test on the parents, and then agree to feed them for a month. If they flunked the drug test, I would just give groceries--no money. At least, I hope I would.


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PostPosted: 03/14/13 4:39 pm • # 25 
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SciFiGuy wrote:
If a hypothetical father, who earns minimum wage, hypothetically broke into your home to steal food out of your refrigerator to help some hypothetical poor children living in a nearby motel....

Would that be wrong?


Well, if he picked my refrigerator, they'd be eating ketchup and mayo. :lol


I'll trade you for barbecue sauce.


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