jimwilliam wrote:
Jeanne: jim, do you believe there is now no discrimination against women?
Not at all! I think there is still some degree of discrimination against women. It's changed over the years and the legislation is in place in most western countries to combat the rest. The strident, caterwauling. blame men for everything crusaders in the women as victims industry are simply making matters worse. The legislation is in place in most western countries to even the playing field so, instead of hanging around, whining and seeking ever increasing amounts of government largesse, do something about it. Nowhere are women allowed to make less money than men for doing the same work, for example, so, instead of squirreling yourself away in some two bit nail painting shop working for some woman for minimum wage, learn to use a welding stinger and go suck up some smoke. You'd be amazed to find out that, not only do you make the same money as the guy sitting beside you, you're in demand because, by and large, women make better welders....also machinists.
In general, what I am saying is quit blaming men for everything and start shouldering some of the responsibility for making things better. There are individual men who are assholes, but most of us aren't so, if you don't want to be shunned, held back and isolated at the workplace, tell your industry to shut the fuck up, quit blaming all men for everything so that they have to be afraid of you and show them what you can do.
This is from post #26
"Why do women keep talking about it? Because men keep ignoring it. There are the guys who think the women could have prevented it if they had stayed in line. There are the guys that say excuse me if women are equals then they can take care of themselves. There are the guys that say, tough shit women, some of you abuse guys so let's call it even and shut the fuck up."
The thing I didn't get was that the men are afraid of the women who talk about the problems that still exist.