Jeanne: jim, do you believe there is now no discrimination against women?

Not at all! I think there is still some degree of discrimination against women. It's changed over the years and the legislation is in place in most western countries to combat the rest. The strident, caterwauling. blame men for everything crusaders in the women as victims industry are simply making matters worse. The legislation is in place in most western countries to even the playing field so, instead of hanging around, whining and seeking ever increasing amounts of government largesse, do something about it. Nowhere are women allowed to make less money than men for doing the same work, for example, so, instead of squirreling yourself away in some two bit nail painting shop working for some woman for minimum wage, learn to use a welding stinger and go suck up some smoke. You'd be amazed to find out that, not only do you make the same money as the guy sitting beside you, you're in demand because, by and large, women make better welders....also machinists.

In general, what I am saying is quit blaming men for everything and start shouldering some of the responsibility for making things better. There are individual men who are assholes, but most of us aren't so, if you don't want to be shunned, held back and isolated at the workplace, tell your industry to shut the fuck up, quit blaming all men for everything so that they have to be afraid of you and show them what you can do.

The thing I didn't get was that the men are afraid of the women who talk about the problems that still exist.

Which men would those be?

No matter what they say the woman can screech "sexual harassment" and the guy loses his job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/2 ... 48381.html

IOWA CITY, Iowa -- A dentist acted legally when he fired an assistant that he found attractive simply because he and his wife viewed the woman as a threat to their marriage, the all-male Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

The court ruled 7-0 that bosses can fire employees they see as an "irresistible attraction," even if the employees have not engaged in flirtatious behavior or otherwise done anything wrong. Such firings may be unfair, but they are not unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act because they are motivated by feelings and emotions, not gender, Justice Edward Mansfield wrote.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that individual shelters or the people who dedicate themselves to helping abused women are getting rich.

who are these professionals?? would love to put in a grant request for our local abuse shelter and rape victims!

LOL!!!

You done good, chaos. I am trying to think back to back in the day when I was young. I know I was told I got an 8 percent raise and the guys got a 10 percent raise cause I had Jeff and they had families to feed. I am sure they do that now, but more covertly. .