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PostPosted: 11/28/14 11:18 am • # 51 
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Cattleman wrote:
Oh the irony!!!!

but a conservative views this as a trivial statement. in other words, he thinks that all men are created equal and therefore he needs no government to ensure that equality.
That could be straight from John Locke - generally regarded as one of the major founders of modern Liberalism.

a liberal will find fault in that argument, in that people are complex creatures, often engaged in either rational or irrational selfish behavior that will make equality an enforcement aspect for a civil society.
And that could well be a response from Edmund Burke - regarded as the 'father" of modern Conservatism.

Go figure!


i don't know Burke, but i know Locke, and he wasn't anti-government. he saw a role for limited government, which is what most conservatives believe in...theoretically. :D


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 11:19 am • # 52 
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oskar576 wrote:
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Isn't your wife a politician Oskar????

Of course, there's thinking and Thinking.


More like an "advocate" trying to change the system from the inside.


aka "politician". :D


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 1:43 pm • # 53 
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Burke is well worth a read. His Relections on the Revolution in France actually give an incredibly accurate forecast of the events to come (it was written in1790, before the terror). He beats the hell out of Locke in my opinion.

Its a pity that more "conservatives" (and others) aren't familiar with him (although I'm sure a lot of "conservatives" would be horrified).


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 1:45 pm • # 54 
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Cattleman wrote:
Burke is well worth a read. His Relections on the Revolution in France actually give an incredibly accurate forecast of the events to come (it was written in1790, before the terror). He beats the hell out of Locke in my opinion.

Its a pity that more "conservatives" (and others) aren't familiar with him (although I'm sure a lot of "conservatives" would be horrified).


speaking of the French, what is your opinion of Rosseau?


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 2:44 pm • # 55 
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Crazy, fascinating, insightful, incoherent, libertarian, authoritarian ....

Typical French Philosopher in other words :grin .


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 3:32 pm • # 56 
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Typical French (or Greek, Roman, religious, atheist, Murrican, conservative, liberal, fundamentalist, laissez-faire, etc.) Philosopher in other words .


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 4:32 pm • # 57 
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Well maybe ...
But on average Philosophers make more sense than anybody else.


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PostPosted: 11/29/14 10:56 am • # 58 
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Cattleman wrote:
Crazy, fascinating, insightful, incoherent, libertarian, authoritarian ....

Typical French Philosopher in other words :grin .


HAHAHAHA. i won't bother asking you about Foucault then! :grin


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PostPosted: 11/29/14 1:20 pm • # 59 
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Foucault?
Good historian, lousy philosopher!

People who think they understand him have created an immense amount of harm.
(That goes for all the "post-modernists").


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