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PostPosted: 11/28/14 11:06 am • # 1 
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I tried to watch the clip embedded below, but bailed at about the 2minute mark from the smarmy-but-proud ignorance on display ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Watch a home-schooler mom go through a science museum and destroy evolution
David Ferguson | 25 Nov 2014 at 15:54 ET

In the video embedded below, fundamentalist Christian home-school mom and conservative cultural critic Megan Fox — no relation to “Transformers” actress Megan Fox — visits the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago and purports to “audit” the museum for its “liberal bias.”

In the description of the 30 minute video she uploaded to YouTube to document the visit, Fox wrote, “In November 2014, Megan Fox toured the Field Museum’s ‘Evolving Earth’ exhibit to audit it for bias. She found many examples of inconsistencies and the Field Museum’s insistence that people support opinion as fact without proof. The Field Museum pushes certain theories as if they are absolute proven law when that is not how the scientific method works.”

Dangerous Minds wrote, “(S)he’s an idiot, she homeschools her kids and she’s a fucking dingbat with her own YouTube channel so she can inflict her low IQ buffoonery on everyone else.”

In the video’s opening moments, Fox is reading a display regarding the evolution of eukaryotes — which she has to ask her camera operator how to pronounce — simple, microscopic animals that first evolved as single-cell life forms, but which became multicellular, beginning the diversification that would lead to complex life forms.

“‘At first, many eukaryotes were single-celled, and many still are today,’” Fox reads from the display before scoffing. “What? If many still are today, then that would support the theory that they have never changed, that they have always been as they are today, not that they started someplace else and then are here, but they were always this and still are today.”

Regarding what paleontologists have said about the first animals to make the transition from life in the water to life on land, Fox says this is impossible. God made the creatures of the water to live in the water and the creatures of the land to live in the land, which is why fish have fins and people have feet.

“It’s not like their fins fell off and they grew feet,” she says. “That’s what they want you to believe, that their fins fell off and then they grew some feet and started walking on the land. This is the dumbest theory I’ve ever heard in my whole life. It’s not good, it’s really not good. It’s bad. It’s very bad. Do you know how complex feet are?”

At one point, Fox argues levelly into the camera that evidence of the existence of dragons exists, but that liberals and scientists are covering it up because “it would throw off their whole time line of what they want you to believe.”

Viewers are currently savaging the video on Reddit.

“More of the ‘If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?’ and ‘You weren’t there, you didn’t see it’ arguments,” one user wrote.

“If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, is this b*tch still an idiot?” another user responded.

Viewers who turned the video off in disgust, said another Reddit user, “missed the best part, at about 20 minutes, where she explains that dinosaurs are clearly dragons and that there’s evidence of people seeing them, and scientists are covering up the evidence so that sham that is science can stay safe.”

“If you mute it, you get a free tour of a museum,” quipped another commenter.

Watch the video, embedded below:


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/watch-a-home-schooler-mom-go-through-a-science-museum-and-destroy-evolution/


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 11:26 am • # 2 
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i watched this.

one of the things creationists don't get AT ALL is that an evolved species and an unevolved one can coexist. the evolved one is not always "better", but even if it were, that would not make the case for replacing the old one. to use a commercial analogy (logic defying on several levels), the fact that Lagunitas exists does not preclude the possibility of Budweiser existing.


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 11:28 am • # 3 
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What ignorance! The dragon part is hilarious. I guess she thinks her "wide-eyed incredulity" and breathy voice will convince people that she is right. Shouldn't be surprised that a fundamentalist who believes in all sort of myths would believe in dragons...........

I feel sorry for her poor, ignorant children.


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 11:32 am • # 4 
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i feel sorry for America- because her voice (and others like her) are SO LOUD that they are pushing intelligent debate to the margins.


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 1:11 pm • # 5 
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A survey of 32 European countries, the US and Japan has revealed that only Turkey is less willing than the US to accept evolution as fact.

Religious fundamentalism, bitter partisan politics and poor science education have all contributed to this denial of evolution in the US, says Jon Miller of Michigan State University in East Lansing, who conducted the survey with his colleagues. "The US is the only country in which [the teaching of evolution] has been politicised," he says. "Republicans have clearly adopted this as one of their wedge issues. In most of the world, this is a non-issue."

Miller's report makes for grim reading for adherents of evolutionary theory. Even though the average American has more years of education than when Miller began his surveys 20 years ago, the percentage of people in the country who accept the idea of evolution has declined from 45 in 1985 to 40 in 2005 (Science, vol 313, p 765). That's despite a series of widely publicised advances in genetics, including genetic sequencing, which shows strong overlap of the human genome with those of chimpanzees and mice. "We don't seem to be going in the right direction," Miller says.

There is some cause for hope. Team member Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, California, finds solace in the finding that the percentage of adults overtly rejecting evolution has dropped from 48 to 39 in the same time. Meanwhile the fraction of Americans unsure about evolution has soared, from 7 per cent in 1985 to 21 per cent last year. "That is a group of people that can be reached," says Scott.

The main opposition to evolution comes from fundamentalist Christians, who are much more abundant in the US than in Europe. While Catholics, European Protestants and so-called mainstream US Protestants consider the biblical account of creation as a metaphor, fundamentalists take the Bible literally, leading them to believe that the Earth and humans were created only 6000 years ago.

Ironically, the separation of church and state laid down in the US constitution contributes to the tension. In Catholic schools, both evolution and the strict biblical version of human beginnings can be taught. A court ban on teaching creationism in public schools, however, means pupils can only be taught evolution, which angers fundamentalists, and triggers local battles over evolution.

These battles can take place because the US lacks a national curriculum of the sort common in European countries. However, the Bush administration's No Child Left Behind act is instituting standards for science teaching, and the battles of what they should be has now spread to the state level.

Miller thinks more genetics should be on the syllabus to reinforce the idea of evolution. American adults may be harder to reach: nearly two-thirds don't agree that more than half of human genes are common to chimpanzees. How would these people respond when told that humans and chimps share 99 per cent of their genes?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9 ... HjHhMk5usM


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 1:19 pm • # 6 
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jab- are you familiar with the University of Chicago School of Religious Studies "Survey of World Religions"? it had a very similar result over a decade ago. which indicates not only the problem, but the persistence of said problem.

it also theorized about the ORIGIN of the problem, which is interesting.


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I'm not.
I only looked up the current situation regarding evolution/creation in Europe and my thoughts were confirmed. It's an American thing.
I basically didn't even know that there were such debates until I came to the US.
Islamic Turkey is, I believe, the only European country believing this creation crap.
And a couple of WN-type nutjobs in the rest of Europe inspired by their American snake oil sales people.


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The "why are there still monkeys" question actually draws out one of the problems.

To me it indicates that people like this conceptualise "evolution" in theological terms. So, if there was evolution it must have been an ordered and organized process. So, in some grand plan monkeys are transformed into humans en masse, orchestrated by some higher power.

So, its not really religion vs science at all, its a theological argument. Its not just that they get the science wrong, its that they don't even comprehend what science is.

But, actually, I don't think the "dragons" bit is 100% wrong (only about 95%). I've always thought that the dragon myth was bolstered, possible even created, when people came across dinosaur fossils. I mean, if you saw a fossilized tyrannosaurus femur or tooth what would you make of it? "Dragon" is plausible ...


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jabra2 wrote:
I'm not.
I only looked up the current situation regarding evolution/creation in Europe and my thoughts were confirmed. It's an American thing.
I basically didn't even know that there were such debates until I came to the US.
Islamic Turkey is, I believe, the only European country believing this creation crap.
And a couple of WN-type nutjobs in the rest of Europe inspired by their American snake oil sales people.


America is kind of frozen in time, and a lot of it has to do with the Cold War. here is an earlier study out of NORC. i believe the one that i am thinking of came out in 1998. it is cited in this study, but not sufficiently referenced that i can quickly find it:

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/Beliefs_about_God_Report.pdf


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Cattleman wrote:
The "why are there still monkeys" question actually draws out one of the problems.

To me it indicates that people like this conceptualise "evolution" in theological terms. So, if there was evolution it must have been an ordered and organized process. So, in some grand plan monkeys are transformed into humans en masse, orchestrated by some higher power.

So, its not really religion vs science at all, its a theological argument. Its not just that they get the science wrong, its that they don't even comprehend what science is.

But, actually, I don't think the "dragons" bit is 100% wrong (only about 95%). I've always thought that the dragon myth was bolstered, possible even created, when people came across dinosaur fossils. I mean, if you saw a fossilized tyrannosaurus femur or tooth what would you make of it? "Dragon" is plausible ...


as the scientist in the video points out, modern dragons are not rendered impossible by science. in fact, Darwin was always on the lookout for "living fossils" that had escaped the need to evolve. that is why, in 1938, when a Coelocanth was discovered in South Africa, evolutionists REJOICED. it was believed to have been extinct for 50M years. since then, at least three colonies of these fish have been found and it is a very studied animal.


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Megan Fox debunked!



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That's true enough. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that people like the one in the OP don't just fail to understand the content of evolutionary science and, because of this, see it as a challenge to their religious beliefs, they can't get out of the religious mode of thinking about things. Its not so much that they see science as another religion, but that they interpret science religiously. They simply can't understand a different way of thinking about the world.

I'm kind of wrestling with an idea here ....


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PostPosted: 11/28/14 2:55 pm • # 13 
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Is low IQ a prerequisite?


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oskar576 wrote:
Is low IQ a prerequisite?


I don't think so but I'm sure it helps.


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PostPosted: 11/29/14 8:30 am • # 15 
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This woman has some serious mental/emotional problems ~ she is a menace not only to her own children, but to strangers as well ~ she is an excellent candidate for a heavy-duty psych evaluation ~ :g ~ Sooz

Science-hating homeschool mom sued for defamation in ongoing library porn flap
Travis Gettys | 28 Nov 2014 at 14:46 ET

A conservative blogger and homeschooling mom whose video tour of a science museum went viral is being sued by an Illinois librarian as part of an ongoing dispute over Internet pornography.

Megan Fox, a blogger for PJ Media and YouTube commentator, has aggressively campaigned for more than a year to change library policies in Orland Park after she and an associate claimed they saw men viewing porn at the public library.

She and Kevin DuJan — who promotes conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama’s birthplace, drug use, and sexual history — have filed hundreds of Freedom of Information Act requests on library policies and employees.

They have also filed at least 34 complaints with the Illinois attorney general alleging transparency law violations by library staffers.

Fox and DuJan have written numerous blog and social media posts and posted videos of themselves hounding library employees for information.

All of this has cost the suburban Chicago library more than $125,000 in legal fees and keeps two library employees busy for about 35 hours a week, according to spokeswoman Bridget Bittman – a primary target for criticism by the conservative pair.

Bittman, the library marketing and public relations coordinator, has sued Fox, DuJan, two other associates — Dan Kleinman and Adam Andrzejewski – and the activist organization For the Good of Illinois last month in U.S. District Court.

She claims the plaintiffs – none of whom live in Orland Park – have made numerous and intentionally defamatory statements about her as part of their efforts to limit access to pornography at the public library.

Fox apparently found a photo online through a Google image search of Bittman holding a bottle of Champagne, which she posted on her own Facebook page and suggested that she drank alcohol while engaged in work duties at the library.

The conservative activist also posted a video in July on her YouTube channel alleging that police had accused Bittman of disorderly conduct and breach of peace, and other claims the library employee described as false.

The suit claims DuJan filed a complaint against Bittman related to those charges, but police found no evidence to support his claims.

“BREAKING! Video of Bridget Bittman committing Disorderly Conduct/Breach of Peace on 7/8/14. The police have issued her a citation under Ordinance 2989 8-6-1-1,” read a caption to the video. “Remember that Bridget Bittman is not only the spokesman for the Orland Park Public Library (which makes her a public employee) . . . And this is how she behaves herself in public. Trying to start a fight, brandishing some kind of weapon in her hand (mace? pepper spray?), using anti-gay slurs . . . Should a public employee like Bridget Bittman be allowed to keep her $100,000/year job after behaving this way in public and committing disorderly conduct?”

The video was later shared by Andrzejewski on his Illinois Family Institute website and by Kleinman on his Safe Libraries blog, according to the suit.

Fox and DuJan also set up a phony Facebook page, Sassy Plants Illinois, intended to harm the reputation of Bittman and the floral business she operates, the suit claims.

Many of the posts insult residents of neighboring New Lenox, Illinois, along with various inscrutable comments about plants and celebrities.

“Birds are not dinosaurs,” reads one post. “The sign lies. Birds are birds. Duh. Dinosaurs were dinosaurs. The Sally Field Museum can’t be believed on everything, unlike the real Sally Field who seems generally pretty honest.”

Bittman claims Fox and DuJan shared her personal information, including her home address, on the phony Facebook page and their own social media pages.

The suit, which alleges violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and the Stored Communications Act, seeks compensatory and punitive damages from Fox, DuJan, and their associates.

Watch Fox discuss her ongoing issues with the library in this video she posted online:


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/science-hating-homeschool-mom-sued-for-defamation-in-ongoing-library-prn-flap/


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This woman should stay out of museums and libraries. In fact, she should stay out of all public places before she poses a danger to others.

And she should wash her damn greasy hair! :x Doesn't she know that cleanliness is next to godliness? :b


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did she consider the possibility that adults could browse porn on the kids computers, too?


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This loon shares the worst tendencies of Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and Jodi Ernst ~ and she is enjoying a seemingly endless 15 minutes ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Homeschool mom who destroyed evolution at a museum heads to the zoo in search of dragons
Travis Gettys | 03 Dec 2014 at 10:45 ET

Science-hating homeschooling mom Megan Fox went looking for evidence of dragons and liberal bias — and found both — in her video “audit” of a suburban Chicago zoo.

“Look, I found a dragon!” she exclaims as she examines what appears to be an iguana. “Spikes, claws, scales, nails – it’s a dragon!”

Fox, whose stupefying video audit of a science museum went viral last month, toured the Brookfield Zoo in another series of videos posted on her YouTube channel.

She complains that the zoo is exhibiting “anti-human” prejudice in a display that shows 90 percent of the world’s primates are threatened with extinction due to the actions of one species of primate.

“There are tons of (displays) here that say, you know, humans are bad,” Fox says. “There’s all kinds of anti-human and green initiative stuff that we can look at here, so it’s going to be fun.”

The PJ Media blogger argues, as the camera lingers over the Spanish translation of “water,” that a display on water conservation has nothing to do with animals and is instead leftist propaganda.

“This is another one of those things on the Left: ‘You are using too much water, you are depleting the water resources, you humans are bad — we’re going to take the H2Oath,’” Fox says. “Come on, this is laughable.”


She mocks suggestions she encounters for conserving energy and natural resources as impractical and inconvenient.

“They don’t want you to wash your car because that would be wasting water,” she says. “No, you’re supposed to wash it in the rain, like the Prius commercial, the new Prius commercial, that says the kid goes out there and washes the car in the rain. Yeah, that’s a great idea. Come on!”

After reading the suggestions, Fox and her cameraman read the instructions and discover the items were intended to spur discussion about how individual choices can affect the environment — which they see as evidence of liberal hypocrisy.

“Instead of teaching them an economic benefit to their behavior, they want to just mandate behavior and control,” the unidentified cameraman says as Fox’s eyes glaze over. “And dictate and use guilt like an emotional thing instead of just economics of it — this would save you money if you did this.”

The pair then complain about Obamacare, saying that exemption waivers are available to Democratic political donors and other favored liberals.

“What is eco-tourism?” she asks about a suggestion on environmentally friendly vacations. “Is that where you use recycled towels and things in a recycled hotel? And eat recycled food? Do people regurgitate it for you, and then you eat that? What is eco-tourism?”

She also mocks suggestions about easily washed cotton clothing and buying clothing at thrift stores, saying Al Gore probably buys all of his suits at Brooks Brothers.

“We shop at the thrift, but we shop there because it’s economical,” Fox says. “We don’t shop there because we want to feel like good people. When we want to feel like good people, we are kind to one another — or we go to church.”

She and her cameraman agree the suggestions for environmentally friendly living amount to a liberal Bible.

“It’s like the 10 Commandments — it’s made out of something heavy, like stone,” Fox says, as she turns the pages to a book that’s intended to remain outside and withstand the elements. “These are the commandments right here, we found them — the modern sins.”

“These are the sins, and if you commit these sins, you must buy your carbon-credit indulgences,” she adds, echoing an observation by her cameraman.

Fox, who is being sued for defamation by an employee of the Orland Park library over an ongoing dispute about online pornography, frequently claims that dinosaurs and reptiles are, in fact, dragons.

She has been posting links lately on her Facebook page of Christmas sweaters that show dinosaurs – which she offers as proof to various nonscientific claims.

“ANOTHER SWEATER SHOWS ALTERNATIVE TAKE on dragons and what they eat,” Fox wrote about a sweater showing a Tyrannosaurus rex eating a reindeer. “This one shows dragons and reindeer interacting. Can scientists prove this never happened?”

Fox, in between posts about the library in a neighboring suburb and the spending habits of its employees, frequently complains about scientists and their methods.

She argued that the recent discovery of a species of frog in New Jersey should undercut any claims to authority by scientists.

“Sure feels like there are a lot of scientists in New Jersey,” Fox said. “But, they missed this frog for all those decades (if not centuries). A few things are always interesting to remember in moments like these: (1) scientists don’t know everything and are ‘surprised’ by something seemingly every day; (2) there are more animals that exist that have not been ‘discovered’ than scientists would have you believe; (3) if scientists don’t know about every animal alive right now then how could they know what animals existed back in the caveman prehistoric days?”

Watch part one of Fox’s video audit of the Brookfield Zoo posted online:


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/homeschool-mom-who-destroyed-evolution-at-a-museum-heads-to-the-zoo-in-search-of-dragons/


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Did they keep her so she could be included in the dinosaur display?


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That wouldn't make sense. Dinosaurs were a lot smarter than she is.


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Cattleman wrote:
That wouldn't make sense. Dinosaurs were a lot smarter than she is.


They're also in no position to cause any harm.


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I was looking through Sooz's list of 100 thinkers if her name shows up under the creationist category.

Bummer.


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I've figured out that fundamentalists see Satan, sin and evil in everything except the things they do and/or support. I swear they look diligently for this shit, just waiting to say "Ah ha!"



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Heheheheheh.
Texas isn't the only place with missing brains.


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