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PostPosted: 12/10/14 8:28 am • # 26 
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If Germany can admit to the holocaust then America can and should admit to our sins. "Lest we forget".

Exactly, Cannalee ~ and not only "should" we, in my view we must ~

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Don't get me started!
The Nazi-German judiciary went straight into the post-Nazi German judiciary with a handful exceptions.
The Nazi intelligence community went straight into US employment.
The Nazi medical profession had fantastic careers in post-Nazi Germany.
In East Germany Ex-Nazis didn't even exist (wink, wink)
UN representative Kurt von Waldheim totally forgot his past.
German Chancellor Kurt Georg Kiesinger had amnesia since 1945.

For brevity here's a list from A to F only of Nazis who made it into politics after 1945.

Westliche Besatzungszonen und Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Siehe auch: Naumann-Kreis (hier nicht eingearbeitet)
Name NSDAP Parteimitgliedschaften ab 1945 Amt bzw. Ämter
Achenbach, Ernst (1909–1991) 1937–1945 FDP ab 1950 Landtagsabgeordneter in Nordrhein-Westfalen
1957–1976 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
1964–1977 Mitglied des Europaparlaments
Adelmann von Adelmannsfelden, Raban Graf (1912–1992) ab 1939, auch SA CDU 1957–1961 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Ahrens, Adolf (1879–1957) ab 1934 DP 1949–1953 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Ahrens, Hermann (1902–1975) 1931–1945 GB/BHE bzw. GDP ab 1955 1951–1963 Mitglied des niedersächsischen Landtags,
1965–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages,
ab 1962 Bundesvorsitzender der GDP
Ahrens, Karl (* 1924) ab 1942 SPD 1969–1990 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages,
1983–1986 Präsident der Parlamentarischen Versammlung des Europarates
Albrecht, Erwin (1900–1985) 1936–1945, auch SA CDU ab 1955 Landtag des Saarlandes, ab 1957 Vorsitzender der CDU-Fraktion
Alef, Heinrich (1897–1966) 1930–1945, 1933–1945 Bürgermeister von Bad Godesberg FDP kandidierte ab 1953 für den GB/BHE zum Deutschen Bundestag, später in der FDP im Landkreis Altena aktiv und Kreistagsmitglied in Meinerzhagen
Angermeyer, Joachim (1923–1997) ab 1941 FDP 1976–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Arndt, Rudi (1927–2004) 1944–1945 SPD 1956–1972 Landtagsabgeordneter in Hessen, Ministerämter in Hessen, 1972–1977 Oberbürgermeister Frankfurt am Main, 1979–1989 MdEP, davon 1984–1989 als Fraktionsvorsitzender der Sozialdemokratischen Partei Europas
Asbach, Hans-Adolf (1904–1976) 1933–1945 GB/BHE bzw. GDP ab 1950 Minister für Soziales, Arbeit und Flüchtlingsfragen bzw. Stellvertretender Ministerpräsident in Schleswig-Holstein
Aschoff, Albrecht (1899–1972) ab 1933 FDP 1961–1965 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Auer, Theodor (1899–1972) ab 1934 bis 1964 Botschafter
Bachmann, Georg (1885–1971) ab 1940 CSU 1946 Mitglied der Verfassunggebenden Landesversammlung Bayerns, bis 1962 Mitglied des Bayerischen Landtages
Bading, Harri (1901–1981) 1937–1939 (Austritt) SPD ab 1945 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Baeuchle, Hans-Joachim (1922–2007) ab 1940 SPD ab 1946 1969–1972 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Baier, Fritz (1923–2012) ab 1941 CDU 1956–1977 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Bargen, Werner von (1898–1975) 1933–1945 Botschafter der Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Bartels, Wolfgang (1903–1975) 1933–1945 CDU ab 1945 1957–1961 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Bartram, Walter (1893–1971) 1937–1945 CDU ab 1946 1950–1951 Ministerpräsident in Schleswig-Holstein, 1952–1957 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestags
Bauer, Josef (1915–1989) ab 1937 CDU ab 1951 1953–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Bayerl, Alfons (1923–2009) ab 1941 SPD ab 1955 1967–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Becher, Walter (1912–2005) 1931–1945 DG ab 1947, ab 1954 GB/BHE, ab 1967 CSU 1956–1958 Vorsitzender des Witikobundes, 1968–1982 Sprecher der Sudetendeutschen Landsmannschaft, 1950–1962 Landtagsabgeordneter in Bayern für DG und GB/BHE, 1965–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages für die CSU
Berg, Hermann (1905–1982) ab 1937 FDP, FVP, DP 1955–1957 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Binder, Paul (1902–1981) ab 1940 als NSBDT CDU ab 1946 1947–1952 Landtag von Württemberg-Hohenzollern,
1953 -1960 MdL Baden-Württemberg
Birrenbach, Kurt (1907–1987) 1933–1945 CDU ab 1953 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages für die CDU
Bismarck, Otto von (1897–1975) 1933–1945 CDU ab 1946 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Blankenhorn, Herbert (1904–1991) 1938–1945 CDU ab 1946 Leiter der Politischen Abteilung des Auswärtigen Amtes
Bläsing, Anneliese (1923–1996) 1941–1945 NPD Sekretärin im Deutschen Bundestag 1953–1957
Mitglied des Hessischen Landtags für die NPD (1966–1970)
Bockenkamp, Walter (1907–1994) 1930–1945 DP, CDU 1959–1967 Mitglied des niedersächsischen Landtags,
1955–1960 Mitglied des Rundfunkrates des NDR
Böhme, Georg (* 1926) ab 1944 CDU ab 1951 1961–1965 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Böhme, Günter (1925–2006) ab 1943 CDU 1969–1972 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Böhme, Herbert (1907–1971) 1931–1945 NPD ab 1965
Bosselmann, Gustav (1915–1991) ab 1937 CDU 1963–1982 Mitglied des niedersächsischen Landtags,
1965–1970 niedersächsischer Justizminister,
1976–1977 niedersächsischer Innenminister
Brandes, Bruno (1910–1985) ab 1933 CDU 1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages,
1981–1985 Landrat des Landkreises Holzminden
Brecht, Julius (1900–1962) ab 1937 SPD ab 1947 1949–1953 Mitglied der Hamburgischen Bürgerschaft,
1957–1962 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Bremm, Klaus (1923–2008) ab 1941 CDU ab 1950 1967–1969 Mitglied des Rheinland-Pfälzischen Landtages,
1969–1976 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Brese, Wilhelm (1896–1994) ab 1937 CDU ab 1945 1949–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Brückner, Reinhard (* 1923) 1941–1945 Grüne Partei Mitglied des hessischen Landtags 1982–1984
Bucher, Ewald (1914–1991) bis 1945 FDP/DVP 1950–1972, ab 1984 CDU 1962–1965 Bundesminister der Justiz, 1965–1966 Bundesminister für Wohnungswesen und Städtebau
Buchka, Karl von (1885–1960) 1933–1945 DVP, ab 1948 CDU 1953–1958 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Buggle, Wilhelm (1915–1989) 1937–1945 CDU 1964–1984 Mitglied des Baden-Württembergischen Landtags
Burckardt, Richard (1901–1981) ab 1940 FDP 1961–1965 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Büttner, Fritz (1908–1983) ab 1937 SPD ab 1945 1957–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Campe, Carl von (1894–1977) ab 1940 DP Botschafter der Bundesrepublik
Carstens, Karl (1914–1992) Ab 1933 SA, 1940–1945 auch NSDAP CDU ab 1953 Deutscher Bundespräsident
Caspar, Helmut (1921–1980) 1939–1945 SPD Mitglied des hessischen Landtags 1963–1978
Conrad, Wilhelm (1911–1971) 1937–1945 SPD Mitglied des hessischen Landtags 1958–1970
Conring, Hermann (1894–1989) 1937–1945 CDU 1953–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Croll, Willi (* 1924) 1942–1945 SPD Mitglied des hessischen Landtags 1970–1976
Dahlgrün, Rolf (1908–1969) bis 1945 FDP ab 1949 1962–1966 Bundesminister der Finanzen
Dannemann, Robert (1902–1965) ab 1933 FDP 1949–1955 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Deist, Heinrich (1902–1964) ab 1938 SPD 1953–1964 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Diebäcker, Hermann (1910–1982) ab 1937 CDU 1957–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Diehl, Günter (1916–1999) ab 1938 Staatssekretär im Presse- und Informationsamt der Bundesregierung, Botschafter in Neu-Delhi und Tokio
Doepner, Friedrich (1893-?) 1941–1945 GB/BHE 1954–1958 Mitglied des Schleswig-Holsteiner Landtags
Dorls, Fritz (1910–1995) 1929–1945 CDU ab 1946, 1949 GuD / DKP-DRP, ab 1949 SRP Vorsitzender der SRP
Dreher, Eduard (1907–1996) 1937–1945 Ministerialdirigent im Bundesjustizministerium
Dreyer, Hugo (1910–1982) ab 1935 GB/BHE, CDU 1955–1967 Mitglied des Niedersächsischen Landtages
Dreyer, Nicolaus (1921–2003) ab 1939 FDP, CDU 1963–1970 Mitglied des Niedersächsischen Landtages
1972–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Duckwitz, Georg (1904–1973) 1932–1945 Botschafter, Staatssekretär
Duckwitz, Richard (1886–1972) 1933–1945 DP, GDP Mitglied der Bremischen Bürgerschaft
Dürr, Hermann (1925–2003) ab 1943 FDP, DVP, SPD 1957–1965 und 1969–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Eckhardt, Walter (1906–1994) ab 1933 CSU ab 1956 1957–1961, 1964–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Edert, Eduard (1880–1967) ab 1940 parteilos 1949–1953 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Effertz, Josef (1907–1984) ab 1933 FDP 1961–1968 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Ehmke, Horst (* 1927) 1944–1945 SPD ab 1947 SPD Parteivorstand 1973–1991, Bundesminister der Justiz, Bundesminister für besondere Aufgaben und Chef des Bundeskanzleramtes, Bundesminister für Forschung und Technologie, Bundesminister für das Post- und Fernmeldewesen
Eisenmann, Otto (1913–2002) ab 1933 DP, FDP 1958–1970, CDU ab 1970 1957–1967 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages,
1967–1969 Minister für Arbeit, Soziales und Vertriebene in Schleswig-Holstein
Elsner, Martin (1900–1971) 1939–1945 GB/BHE 1953–1957 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Enders, Christian (1899–1984) 1937–1945 SPD Mitglied des hessischen Landtags 1962–1970
Engelbrecht-Greve, Ernst (1916–1990) ab 1935 CDU 1953–1962 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages,
1962–1975 Minister für Ernährung, Landwirtschaft und Forsten in Schleswig-Holstein,
1971–1975 Stellvertreter des Ministerpräsidenten des Landes Schleswig-Holstein
Engell, Hans Egon (1897–1974) 1931–1945, auch 1933–1945 SS GB/BHE ab 1950 1953–1957 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Enseling, Elisabeth (1907–1998) ab 1940 CDU 1966–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Entenmann, Alfred (* 1927) 1944–1945 CDU 1964–1984 Mitglied des Landtags von Baden-Württemberg
Eppler, Erhard (* 1926) 1944–1945 Gesamtdeutsche Volkspartei ab 1952, seit 1956 SPD 1968–1974 Bundesminister für wirtschaftliche Zusammenarbeit
Erdmann, Gerhard (1896–1974) 1933–1945 1949–1954 Hauptgeschäftsführer der Bundesvereinigung der Deutschen Arbeitgeberverbände,
Vorstandsvorsitzender der Bundesanstalt für Arbeitsvermittlung und -arbeitslosenversicherung
Ernesti, Leo (1925–1996) ab 1943 CDU ab 1951 1967–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Ertl, Josef (1925–2000) ab 1943 FDP 1961–1987 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages,
1969–1983 Bundesminister für Ernährung, Landwirtschaft und Forsten.
Etzdorf, Haso von (1900–1989) 1933–1945 Deutscher Botschafter in Großbritannien
Farke, Ernst (1895–1975) ab 1937 DP 1949–1953 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Fassbender, Heinrich (1899–1971) 1931–1933 ab 1945 NDP, ab 1946 FDP, ab 1955 DP, ab 1962 DNVP, 1964–1969 NPD 1949–1957 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Feuring, Adolf (1902–1998) ab 1937 SPD ab 1946 1967–1969 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Fiedler, Eduard (1890–1963) bis 1945 GB/BHE, ab 1962 FDP 1953 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Filbig, Josef (1891–1963) vor 1931–1945, 1933–1945 Oberbürgermeister von Amberg DG 1952–1958 Oberbürgermeister von Amberg
Filbinger, Hans (1913–2007) 1937–1945 CDU ab 1951 Ministerpräsident von Baden-Württemberg
Fischer, August (1901–1986) 1937–1945 parteilos Bürgermeister von Kempten (Allgäu)
Frank, Karl (1900–1974) ab 1937 FDP 1951–1960 Finanzminister in Baden-Württemberg,
1952–1964 Mitglied des Baden-Württembergischen Landtages
Franken, Paul (1903–1984) 1933–1940 CDU erster Direktor der Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung
Friedrich, Bruno (1927–1987) 1944–1945 SPD ab 1954 1972–1980 Mitglied des Deutschen Bundestages
Friedrich, Otto Andreas (1902–1975) 1941–1945 1969–1973 Präsident der Bundesvereinigung der Deutschen Arbeitgeberverbände
Fuhrhop, Hans-Jürgen (* 1915) ab 1937 CDU 1970–1982 Mitglied des niedersächsischen Landtags
Furler, Hans (1905–1975) 1934–1945 CDU Präsident des Europaparlamentes

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PostPosted: 12/10/14 8:33 am • # 27 
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Cannalee2 wrote:
I think Oskar brings a valid question to the discussion: will the Armed Services Commitem be coming forward with an investigation and report of their own?

I'm guessing that's possible, Cannalee ~ especially given McCain's floor speech yesterday ~ then again, it's likely a long-shot given the GOP/TPers tendency to only "investigate" Dem decisions/actions ~ :ey

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PostPosted: 12/10/14 8:42 am • # 28 
Lol! Point made! But fact remains Germany didn'traze the concentration camps but established memorials. Perhaps we should do the same with Gitmo.


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According to the report Bush was informed in 2006 that we tortured. In 2007 he went in front of the cameras and categorically claimed the US does not torture.

Isn't that almost as bad as Clinton claiming he didn't have sex with that woman?
Worse than that?
Where's the GOP's outrage?


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PostPosted: 12/10/14 10:22 am • # 30 
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Posted without further comment until my blood pressure returns to normal ~ :s ~ Sooz

Two Docs Got $80 Million to Develop Torture Tactics
Fiscal Times | Brianna Ehley | 4 hrs ago

The United States government paid two military psychologists $80 million to develop torture tactics that were used against suspected terrorists in the wake of the September 11 attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.

In 2002, two former Air Force psychologists, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, became the masterminds of the CIA’s torture program, according to a new report released by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The two men, identified in the report under the pseudonyms Grayson Swigert and Hammond Dunbar, devised and performed torture tactics--including waterboarding and mock burial on some of the CIA’s most significant detainees.”

The report noted that neither of the men had previous experience as professional interrogators, nor did they have “specialized knowledge of al Qaeda, counterterrorism or any relevant cultural or linguistic experience."

WHY THIS MATTERS

Even if one could get past the repulsive idea of paying someone to come up with new ways to torture people, the outrageous amount of taxpayer dollars spent on two individuals is simply unacceptable—especially when they didn’t seem to “invent” anything.

Still, they were in charge of developing the techniques and analyzing their effectiveness.

For their part, both had military training in a secret Air Force program -- Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape or SERE –- which teaches soldiers how to survive being held prisoner by enemy combatants. The doctors decided to develop their own program by reversing SERE in order to use it on the U.S.’s enemies.

The report says that as part of his pitch to be a part of the CIA’s program, “Swigert” detailed a list of 12 SERE-like techniques he would use on detainees including: “the attention grasp, walling, facial hold, facial slap, cramped confinement, standing, stress positions, sleep deprivation, water-board, use of diapers, use of insects, and mock burial.”

The two men had no direct experience using the waterboard technique. It was never used in their Air Force training. Still, they indicated that it was an “absolutely convincing technique.” They justified the technique by saying that the Navy had used it in training and had not reported any significant long-term consequences on individuals from its use.

However, they did not mention that when the Navy used it in training they only performed single sessions, not multiple sessions. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a detainee at Guantanamo Bay, for example, was waterboarded 183 times. Nor did they mention that the technique was not exactly new—it dates back to the 14th century.

In fact, none of the so-called “tortures” seems to have been designed or devised by the $80 million duo. For all we know, they pulled a few ideas out of Wikipedia or from an old handbook of Joseph Stalin.

By 2005, the CIA had outsourced nearly all of its interrogation work to the two doctors, who by that time had formed a private contracting company called Mitchell, Jessen and Associates with at least five other people.

By 2006, the CIA had awarded them a contract in excess of $180 million. The contract was terminated in 2009, after the company had received about $81 million from the United States government.

Soon after the contract was terminated, Pro-Publica, a nonprofit investigative journalism organization, attempted to contact the firm at its headquarters in Spokane, Washington only to find it had disappeared without a trace.

The reporters said the company’s phone number had been disconnected with no forwarding number and the building was empty and available for lease.

Though the two doctors have largely been out of the media, one of the last public statements they made appeared in an article about U.S. interrogation and torture in Vanity Fair in 2007.

"We are proud of the work we have done for our country,” they said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/two-docs-got-dollar80-million-to-develop-torture-tactics/ar-BBgBe3V


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According to the report Bush was informed in 2006 that we tortured. In 2007 he went in front of the cameras and categorically claimed the US does not torture.

Isn't that almost as bad as Clinton claiming he didn't have sex with that woman?
Worse than that?
Where's the GOP's outrage?

Silly Jabra ~ we know the GOP/TPers reserve their rage for Dems and BJs ~ :ey

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more relevant, jab:

the FBI and CIA hired a LOT of ex-nazi's to help with their post WW2 projects.


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I know.
Great pension benefits!


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PostPosted: 12/10/14 12:23 pm • # 34 
What are Delahunay, Yoo and Gonzalez up to these days?


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What are Delahunay, Yoo and Gonzalez up to these days?

LOL!!! ~ I think they have all disappeared into a non-witness protection program ~ :b

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sooz06 wrote:
Cannalee2 wrote:
What are Delahunay, Yoo and Gonzalez up to these days?

LOL!!! ~ I think they have all disappeared into a non-witness protection program ~ :b

Sooz


i wonder if they can sleep at night.


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sooz06 wrote:
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What are Delahunay, Yoo and Gonzalez up to these days?

LOL!!! ~ I think they have all disappeared into a non-witness protection program ~ :b

Sooz

Rumors have it that they applied for asylum in a Nazi village in Paraguay.
With their professional vita they'll be honorary members of society in a nifty.


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No one will ever be charged except whoever is at the very bottom of the heap... if that.


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Two Docs Got $80 Million to Develop Torture Tactics
Fiscal Times | Brianna Ehley | 4 hrs ago

The United States government paid two military psychologists $80 million to develop torture tactics that were used against suspected terrorists in the wake of the September 11 attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.


You realize that some actual journalists (No, not from FOX) wrote about that already in 2007?
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feat ... ntPage=all

and
http://www.salon.com/2007/06/21/cia_sere/

The MSM and FOX must have missed it back then.


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After WW11 a Japanese soldier was executed by the Americans for waterboarding American prisoners. During Vietnam an American soldier got a stern look from the army for waterboarding a Vietnamese prisoner. In either the 1980's or 90's a Texas deputy was sentenced to jail for waterboarding a prisoner. In all those cases waterboarding was torture. In Republican 2014 it's just a bunch of good ole' boys having themselves some fun.

I find it weird, though, that it is perfectly alright for the US to have it's Kangaroo courts and execute (they haven't done it yet but want to) suspected terrorists while chastising ISIL for beheading folks it considers to be dangerous. Should the same free-for-all rules apply to everyone?


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Incidentally, from where I am sitting on my balcony I can see the American embassy in Tanzania. It's the one that was attacked in 1998. It's also massive, taking up about three city blocks. I think most of it is just empty ground with the embassy in the middle. It's actually more like a fort than an embassy.


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True or false almost doesn't matter ~ either gwb is as evil as Darth himself or he is/was too dumb to understand what was going on ~ and maybe both are true ~ :g ~ key Cheney quote below [with my emphasis/bolding]: "I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program." ~ Sooz

TPM LIVEWIRE
Cheney Throws Bush Under The Bus On Torture Program
By Catherine Thompson Published December 11, 2014, 8:26 AM EST

Dick Cheney discussed the newly released Senate torture report Wednesday on Fox News, and in particular challenged a finding that former President George W. Bush hadn't been briefed on the CIA's harsh interrogation methods until years after they'd already been in use.

Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked the former vice president whether the agency deliberately kept Bush in the dark about its so-called enhanced interrogation techniques.

"Not true. Didn't happen," Cheney responded. "Read his book, he talks about it extensively in his memoirs. He was in fact an integral part of the program, he had to approve it before we went forward with it."

Asked if there was ever a point where he knew more about the CIA's activity than the President, Cheney said "I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."

Baier then asked if the former President knew about the "details" of the program. The report -- which Cheney called "full of crap" -- described brutal interrogation methods including waterboarding, extensive sleep deprivation, threats to harm detainees' families and "rectal feeding."

"I think he knew certainly the techniques, we did discuss the techniques," Cheney said. "There was no effort on our part to keep him from that."

"The notion that the committee's trying to peddle, that somehow the agency was operating on a rogue basis, and we weren't being told or the President wasn't being told, is just a flat out lie," he later added.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-george-w-bush-knew-about-torture-program


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Typical Republican of today. They eat their young if it means self-preservation.


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PostPosted: 12/11/14 10:52 am • # 44 
In Cheney's and Bush's mind it is probably preferable to be evil than stupid. If Bush didn't know, he'd be stupid. They can rationalize that they were doing it to keep us safe.

The sad part is that many others will too.


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And now we know there won't be any prosecutions. The sickness goes too far up the food chain.


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If we could just find Dick and Georges semen-stained blue dresses!


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If we could just find Dick and Georges semen-stained blue dresses!


Which one was wearing the dress?


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Lately I believe both.


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Cannalee, Yue is writing articles for conservative publications, being a right wing pundit. Is considered a conservative legal oracle in those circles. You can read him in National Review.


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PostPosted: 12/12/14 8:53 am • # 50 
When by error I might read right wing trash my mistake but to deliberately seek it out? No I don't think so! Yoo, Delahunty, and Bush and Russic were all in my opinion equally complicit in war crimes. Oh I forgot Gonzalez. He too in my opinion should be named in the warrant.


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