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PostPosted: 05/04/21 9:57 am • # 1076 
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This is a month old ....

Why vaccine passports may be inevitable in next phase of COVID-19


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why ... f-covid-19


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PostPosted: 05/04/21 1:33 pm • # 1077 
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Is the Second Dose Bad? If I Feel OK, Is It Working? Can I Take Tylenol?
The most common questions about vaccination side effects, answered.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/well ... s-faq.html


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PostPosted: 05/05/21 8:25 am • # 1078 
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FFRF commends Connecticut for removing harmful religious vaccine exemptions

https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/ite ... exemptions


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PostPosted: 05/05/21 9:01 am • # 1079 
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Got my shot this morning.


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PostPosted: 05/05/21 9:31 am • # 1080 
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I've got an appointment for as soon as I get home.


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PostPosted: 05/05/21 5:49 pm • # 1081 
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Hooray oskar & shift! :bow2


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PostPosted: 05/06/21 5:47 am • # 1082 
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Arm still hurts.
Second shot Aug. 18 or sooner.


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PostPosted: 05/06/21 9:10 pm • # 1083 
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I got mine four or five weeks ago. Got lucky. One of my clients had an outbreak awhile back. Under the vaccine protocols here that put the company and regular contractors (me :) high on the list for vaccines.


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PostPosted: 05/07/21 8:00 am • # 1084 
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Health Advocate or Big Brother? Companies Weigh Requiring Vaccines.
It is a delicate decision balancing employee health and personal privacy. Some companies are sidestepping the issue by offering incentives to those who get shots.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/busi ... ments.html

How's this for an incentive? "Get vaccinated and you can continue working here."

But joking aside, if public universities can require all students to be vaccinated why can't an employer?


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PostPosted: 05/07/21 9:47 am • # 1085 
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Neither.
Issue vaccination certificates and let the public decide if they want to associate with the "Typhoid Marys".


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PostPosted: 05/08/21 4:49 am • # 1086 
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In the workplace the only way to avoid the Typhoid Marys is to forbid them working there - i.e., require all employees to be vaccinated.

And that would have to extend to schools as well.


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PostPosted: 05/08/21 8:27 am • # 1087 
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Health Advocate or Big Brother? Companies Weigh Requiring Vaccines.
It is a delicate decision balancing employee health and personal privacy. Some companies are sidestepping the issue by offering incentives to those who get shots.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/busi ... ments.html

How's this for an incentive? "Get vaccinated and you can continue working here."

But joking aside, if public universities can require all students to be vaccinated why can't an employer?


I would think that an employer that is private rather than public would have more "right" to insist on vaccinations as an employment condition.


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PostPosted: 05/10/21 10:24 am • # 1088 
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Medical and health records in the US are highly confidential. Expect a protracted court battle any day. There is conflict between public health laws and confidentiality protections that will only get sorted out in the courts.

Example- you could get into this public building after answering three questions and getting a temp check. You could bypass the questions if you answered yes to Are you fully vaccinated. An employee complained and now they can't ask that question anymore. But they can still ask the three screening questions, under the quise of public health. The are you vaccinated question was deemed to be personal medical information.


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PostPosted: 05/11/21 2:30 pm • # 1089 
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The bad news: It's not just COVID. The good news: They make baby sized coffins decorated with flowers and butterflies

Opinion: Samoa has become a case study for ‘anti-vax’ success

Michael Gerson

Volunteers in the New Zealand city of Rotorua are in the process of sending two dozen handcrafted, infant-size coffins to the Pacific island of Samoa, which is currently in the midst of a deadly measles outbreak. The coffins are gifts to Samoan families who can’t afford them but suddenly need them. The smallest are decorated with felt flowers and butterflies.

That is one form of Samoa’s contact with the world. Another is anti-vaccination propaganda, much of it generated in the United States, that arrives through social media and discourages Samoan parents from vaccinating their children. This type of import has helped turn Samoa into a case study of “anti-vax” success — and increased the demand for tiny coffins decorated with flowers and butterflies.

Samoa is a reminder of a pre-vaccine past and the dystopian vision of a post-vaccine future. Its government has declared a state of emergency. Schools have been closed. Children under 17 have been banned from public gatherings. Unvaccinated families have been asked to hang red flags outside their homes so mobile vaccination teams can find them.

All of this was completely predictable. “In the absence of vaccination,” Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health told me, “measles spreads rapidly among children and kills some of them. This happened consistently throughout the world, including ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html


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PostPosted: 05/12/21 11:32 am • # 1090 
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This would be funny if it weren't so stupid

Anti-Maskers Ready to Start Masking—to Protect Themselves From the Vaccinated
An anti-vaccine conspiracy about the vaccinated are leading some anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers to contemplate wearing a mask and social distance.



https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nnwg/ ... vaccinated


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PostPosted: 05/12/21 7:06 pm • # 1091 
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You know what? I don't care why they wear the mask, just as long as they mask.


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PostPosted: 05/13/21 4:13 am • # 1092 
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Vaccine hesitancy is nothing new. Here’s the damage it’s done over centuries
Pockets of people have railed against vaccines for ages


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A rally of the Anti-vaccination League of Canada filled the streets near City Hall in Toronto in 1919.
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Tara Haelle

As vaccines to protect people from COVID-19 started becoming available in late 2020, the rhetoric of anti-vaccine groups intensified. Efforts to keep vaccines out of arms reinforce misinformation about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines and spread disinformation — deliberately misleading people for political, ideological or other reasons.

Vaccines have been met with suspicion and hostility for as long as they have existed. Current opposition to COVID-19 vaccines is just the latest chapter in this long story. The primary driver of vaccine hesitancy throughout history has not been money, selfishness or ignorance.

“Vaccine hesitancy has less to do with misunderstanding the science and more to do with general mistrust of scientific institutions and government,” says Maya Goldenberg, a philosophy expert at the University of Guelph, Ontario, who studies the phenomenon. Historically, people harmed or oppressed by such institutions are the ones most likely to resist vaccines, adds Agnes Arnold-Forster, a medical historian at the University of Bristol in England.

A range of recurring and intersecting themes have fueled hesitancy globally and historically. These include anxiety about unnatural substances in the body, vaccines as government surveillance or weapons, and personal liberty violations. Other concerns relate to parental autonomy, faith-based objections, and worries about infertility, disability or disease. For example, some people oppose vaccines that were grown in cell culture lines that began from aborted fetal cells, or they mistakenly believe vaccines contain fetal cells. One of today’s false beliefs — that COVID-19 vaccines contain a microchip — represents anxiety about both vaccine ingredients and vaccines as a surveillance tool.

“The reasons people have hesitated reflect the cultural anxieties of their time and place,” Goldenberg says. People worried about toxins arising during environmentalism in the 1970s and people in countries steeped in civil war have perceived vaccines as government weapons.

Historical attempts to curb vaccine hesitancy often failed because they relied on authoritarian and coercive methods. “They were very blunt, very punitive and very ineffective,” Arnold-Forster says. “They had very little impact on actual vaccine intake.”

The most effective remedies center on building trust and open communication, with family doctors having the greatest influence on people’s decision to vaccinate. Increased use of “trusted messengers” to share accurate and reassuring vaccine information with their communities builds on this.

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Smallpox vaccine sets the stage around the globe


In a way, anti-vaccination attitudes predate vaccination itself. Public vaccination began after English physician Edward Jenner learned that milkmaids were protected from smallpox after exposure to cowpox, a related virus in cows. In 1796, Jenner scientifically legitimized the procedure of injecting people with ...

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PostPosted: 05/13/21 6:09 am • # 1093 
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The science is strong - get vaccinated

https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2021/ ... accinated/


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PostPosted: 05/13/21 9:04 am • # 1094 
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IMO, vaccination "passports" would convince many.


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PostPosted: 05/13/21 9:29 am • # 1095 
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oskar576 wrote:
IMO, vaccination "passports" would convince many.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Cruise Line Threatens to Skip Florida Ports Over Proof-of-Vaccination Ban
Norwegian Cruise Line plans to require Covid-19 vaccine documentation from its crew members and customers, but Florida recently enacted a law that bars businesses from doing so.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/busi ... antis.html


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PostPosted: 05/13/21 10:00 am • # 1096 
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One of the claims made by antivaxxers is that the development of this vaccine is "rushed"

Doctor behind Covid-19 vaccine development explains how shot was years in the making
Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett, scientific lead for NIH coronavirus vaccine team, shares how prepared her team was to create a vaccine for Covid-19, how clear the data are that the vaccines are safe and effective, and speaks to a parent with concerns about vaccinating her young child.


https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/docto ... 1837765539


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Fauci explains emergency use authorization, reaching those who don’t want vaccine
A panel of experts including Dr. Anthony Fauci, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra and U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy answer questions about the FDA emergency use authorization of the Covid-19 vaccines and how to reach out to those who don’t want to get vaccinated.


https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/fauci ... 1837765761


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PostPosted: 05/13/21 1:21 pm • # 1097 
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oskar576 wrote:
IMO, vaccination "passports" would convince many.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Cruise Line Threatens to Skip Florida Ports Over Proof-of-Vaccination Ban
Norwegian Cruise Line plans to require Covid-19 vaccine documentation from its crew members and customers, but Florida recently enacted a law that bars businesses from doing so.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/busi ... antis.html


It's a start.


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PostPosted: 05/14/21 4:48 am • # 1098 
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New improved masks? Or just more stupidity?

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PostPosted: 05/15/21 4:32 am • # 1099 
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Distancing from the vaccinated: Viral anti-vaccine infertility misinfo reaches new extremes
"You can't fact-check someone's personal experience," said one expert. "With Instagram stories, people share their testimony, and the first round of it feels so intimate and immediate."

April Glaser and Brandy Zadrozny

Yehuda Goldberg, owner of Brothers Butcher Shoppe in Ontario, updated the Covid-19 guidelines for people visiting his meat shop this month. He posted on Instagram that he would ask vaccinated people not to come in to protect his female customers.

"We have decided that since the majority of our customers are women and since women are most at risk for these side effects, we ask that if you've been vaccinated to please order for curbside pickup or delivery for 28 days after being vaccinated," the post reads.

The reason, Goldberg said, is that evidence is surfacing that people who have been vaccinated are "shedding spike proteins," which appears to be affecting women's menstrual cycles. While medical experts say that isn't true, Goldberg said that what he's reading shows that just being around someone who has been vaccinated can cause reproductive health issues for women and that ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/v ... a-n1267310

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PostPosted: 05/16/21 2:19 pm • # 1100 
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Millions Are Saying No to the Vaccines. What Are They Thinking?
Feelings about the vaccine are intertwined with feelings about the pandemic.

Derek Thompson

Several days ago, the mega-popular podcast host Joe Rogan advised his young listeners to skip the COVID-19 vaccine. “I think you should get vaccinated if you’re vulnerable,” Rogan said. “But if you’re 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go, ‘No.’”

Rogan’s comments drew widespread condemnation. But his view is surprisingly common. One in four Americans says they don’t plan to take the COVID-19 vaccine, and about half of Republicans under 50 say they won’t get a vaccine. This partisan vaccine gap is already playing out in the real world. The average number of daily shots has declined 20 percent in the past two weeks, largely because states with larger Trump vote shares are falling off the pace.

What are they thinking, these vaccine-hesitant, vaccine-resistant, and COVID-apathetic? I wanted to know. So I posted an invitation on Twitter for anybody who wasn’t planning to get vaccinated to email me and ...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ne/618765/


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