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PostPosted: 02/17/15 9:18 am • # 26 
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If confessing that I'm enjoying a certain amount of entertainment in watching Boehner and Netanyahu each trying to throw the other under the bus makes me a terrible person, then I'm a terrible person ~ :ey ~ there are some "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Netanyahu, Boehner deal with their ‘colossal mistake’
02/02/15 10:31 AM—Updated 02/02/15 10:48 AM
By Steve Benen

Last week, like most weeks, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) was invited onto a Sunday show, where he complained that U.S.-Israeli relations have “never been worse” than they are now. Naturally, this led a different Sunday show to extend another invitation to McCain yesterday, where he repeated the claim.

As a matter of diplomatic history, it remains a debatable point. Let’s not forget that relations between the two allies have hit rough patches several times over the decades, most notably under Ronald Reagan, who repeatedly clashed with Menachem Begin. Haaretz’s Chemi Shalev joked a while back, “[I]f Obama treated Israel like Reagan did, he’d be impeached.”

But even if we put aside McCain’s knee-jerk desire to blame Obama for anything that comes to mind, it’s fair to say American tensions with Israel have reached an awkward, almost uncomfortable, level. Understanding why matters, and the recent, unprecedented partnership between congressional Republicans and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who teamed up to sabotage international nuclear talks with Iran, appears to have undermined the alliance in rather profound ways.

Eugene Robinson’s latest column strikes all the right notes, noting that Netanyahu and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) “made a colossal mistake … and the move has ricocheted on both of them.”

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Why on earth would anyone think it was a good idea to arrange for Netanyahu to speak to a joint session of Congress without telling Obama or anyone in his administration about the invitation? … [I]nviting a foreign leader to speak at the Capitol without even informing the president, let alone consulting him, is a bald-faced usurpation for which there is no recent precedent. […]

Netanyahu, for his part, may have thought this was a way to boost his prospects in the upcoming Israeli election, scheduled for March 17. Or he may have fantasized that somehow, by openly siding with the Republican Party, he could snatch U.S. foreign policy out of Obama’s hands. Judging by the pounding he is taking from the Israeli media, he was mistaken on both counts.

Republicans and Netanyahu likely wanted to shift the focus to derailing international diplomacy, but they’ve instead been forced to explain who’s responsible for this fiasco.

The fact that Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer talked to Jeffrey Goldberg late last week and tried to pin this mess on House GOP leaders – a dubious argument, to be sure – was itself evidence of just how messy this has become.

Last week, even Robert Kagan, a leading neoconservative and no ally of the Obama White House, made a detailed case against the Netanyahu/GOP partnership and urged the Israeli prime minister to cancel his speech to Congress.

Hoping to undo some of the damage, Netanyahu reportedly worked the phones last week, reaching out to Democratic leaders to calm the waters, but Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid told the Israeli leader what he already knew: by going around the White House to partner with Republicans, Netanyahu has done real damage.

There’s an interesting debate underway about whose screw-up was more severe: Boehner’s or Netanyahu’s. To my mind, it’s a close call – on the one hand, the Speaker took deliberate steps to undermine American foreign policy at a delicate time, siding with a foreign government over his own president, while arguably taking steps to intervene in a foreign election. On the other hand, the Prime Minister needlessly undermined his frayed relationship with the White House, risked damaging Israel’s standing in the U.S., and probably strengthened the diplomatic talks he hoped to ruin.

It was of interest to see former Secretary of State James Baker, a Republican from the Reagan and Bush eras, speak out yesterday about the protocol breach: “[T]he executive branch of government really has the primary power and responsibility and authority to conduct the nation’s foreign policy. It’s not in the Congress, it’s in the executive branch. So our foreign policy benefits when there’s cooperation and so does the issue of U.S.-Israeli relations.”

Indeed, the beneficiary of this little debacle is President Obama, whose hand has been strengthened, at least for now, while Team Boehner and Team Netanyahu argue over whose actions were more misguided.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/netanyahu-boehner-deal-their-colossal-mistake#break


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 9:31 am • # 27 
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It really is a toss-up of who I detest more ... Boehner or Netanyahu ~ :ey ~ emphasis/bolding below is in the original ~ Sooz

It Took a While, But Democrats Are Finally Revolting Against Benjamin Netanyahu's Speech
By Kevin Drum | Thu Feb. 5, 2015 6:26 PM EST

Benjamin Netanyahu is coming to town next month to speak before a joint session of Congress, but White House spokesman Josh Earnest says that Joe Biden's calendar is, um, filling up or something:

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Biden has to date missed only one speech by a foreign leader at a joint session of Congress, Earnest said. The vice president really likes his ceremonial duties, he added, but might be busy on March 3, when Netanyahu is scheduled to deliver his warning to Congress about U.S. negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program. The Obama administration considers the talks an important diplomatic opening that could lead to the dismantling of Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Netanyahu believes Iran has no intention of holding to any deal and U.S. diplomats are being naive.

This is all part of a growing Democratic "revolt" against Netanyahu's speech:

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Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer and Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein rushed to meetings on Capitol Hill on Wednesday trying to calm a furor created by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s planned speech to Congress next month and quell a Democratic revolt that has dozens threatening a boycott.

It didn’t work.

If anything, Democrats finished the day more frustrated....If Dermer really wants to fix the problems created by the speech, goes the consensus among Democrats in Washington, he’ll need to do more than apologize: he and Netanyahu have to cancel or reschedule the speech.

....Seven Jewish Democratic members of Congress who met Wednesday in Rep. Steve Israel’s (D-N.Y.) office...lit into Dermer. The invitation, they said, was making them choose between Netanyahu and Obama, making support for Israel into a partisan issue that they never wanted it to be, and forcing them to consider a boycott of the speech. One member, according to someone in the room, went so far as to tell Dermer it was hard to believe him when he said he didn’t realize the partisan mess he was making by going around Obama to get Boehner to make the invitation.

This has been a surprisingly slow-burning fuse. Obviously this mess puts a lot of Democrats in a tough position, but I still would have figured that they'd make their displeasure known sooner rather than later. And yet, for the week or so after Netanyahu announced his speech, we barely heard a peep of protest—even privately. But apparently Democratic anger was growing the whole time, and now Netanyahu has a full-grown public insurgency on his hands.

It's been obvious for years—obvious to me, anyway—that Netanyahu has decided to tie his future to the Republican Party. Of course Dermer knew the speech would create a partisan mess. That was more a feature than a bug. But now it looks like Netanyahu has finally gone a step too far. After years of putting up with Netanyahu's partisan antics, Democrats are finally getting tired of them. This episode is unlikely to end well for Israel.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/02/it-took-while-democrats-are-finally-revolting-against-benjamin-netanyahus-speech


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 9:39 am • # 28 
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Nothing about this circle-jerk is impossible ~ but given Netanyahu's extreme [and idiotic] partisanship, this seems like at least a modest stretch ~ there are a few "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

TPM LIVEWIRE
Israeli Official Now Suggests Boehner Misled Netanyahu On Speech
By Dylan Scott Published February 6, 2015, 9:44 AM EST

A senior Israeli official is now implying that House Speaker John Boehner led Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to believe that his invitation for the prime minister to speak before Congress in March was bipartisan, according to Reuters.

"It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one-sided move and not a move by both sides," Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi said Friday on a Tel Aviv radio program, per the news outlet.

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The interviewer asked if that meant Netanyahu had been "misled" into believing Boehner's invitation was bipartisan, a characterization Hanegbi did not contest.

Boehner's invitation for Netanyahu to speak on Iran, extended without consultation with the White House, has stirred partisan tensions. The White House called it a breach of diplomatic protocol. House Democrats have met with Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer to register their displeasure, and some have said they will boycott the speech.

Nonetheless, Hanegbi indicated that Netanyahu would still make the March 3 speech, which also comes two weeks before Israeli elections. He said that the speech could still help secure the two-thirds vote needed to override President Obama's promised veto on any new sanctions on Iran.

"The Republicans know, as the president has already made clear, that he will veto this legislation. So in order to pass legislation that overcomes the veto, two-thirds are required in the Senate," Hanegbi said. "So if the prime minister can persuade another one or two or another three or four, this could have weight."

Boehner's office didn't immediately respond to TPM's request for comment.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-netanyahu-speech-invitation-misled


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 9:48 am • # 29 
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I'm flip-flopping on which would make me happier and make the stronger statement: no Dems attending or Dems getting up and walking out en masse as the "speech" gets underway ~ :ey ~ emphasis/bolding below is in the original ~ Sooz

John Boehner's Big Triumph Is Now Just a Big Shit Sandwich
—By Kevin Drum | Fri Feb. 6, 2015 9:14 PM EST

I could use a good laugh, and this afternoon I got one. For starters, as the White House hinted yesterday, Joe Biden won't be attending Benjamin Netanyahu's speech next month before a joint session of Congress. Apparently he'll be out of the country that day:

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The vice president’s office on Friday confirmed the plans to skip the March 3 speech. “We are not ready to announce details of his trip yet, and normally our office wouldn’t announce this early, but the planning process has been underway for a while,” a spokesperson for the office said.

So where exactly will Joe be? Well, um, somewhere. The planning process "has been underway for a while," the White House insists with a straight face, but they don't know yet what country they've been planning to send him to. But they'll think of one. Maybe Latvia or something.

This is all part of the mounting fury from Democrats in Congress and the White House over the speech, and it's become increasingly clear that the whole thing is a major blunder for Netanyahu. But who to blame? The invitation came from Speaker of the House John Boehner, so why not blame him? Today Netanyahu did exactly that, throwing him under the proverbial bus with barely a passing glance:

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A senior Israeli official suggested on Friday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had been misled into thinking an invitation to address the U.S. Congress on Iran next month was fully supported by the Democrats.... "It appears that the speaker of Congress made a move, in which we trusted, but which it ultimately became clear was a one sided move and not a move by both sides," Deputy Israeli Foreign Minister Tzachi Hanegbi told 102 FM Tel Aviv Radio on Friday.

Poor John Boehner. You almost feel sorry for the guy sometimes. President Obama has been running rings around him for months now, infuriating the Republican caucus and causing Boehner endless headaches over Cuba, immigration, net neutrality, Homeland Security shutdowns, and dozens of other subjects. No matter how hard he tries, Boehner just hasn't been able to get ahead of any of this. Instead he's been forced over and over to respond to Obama's agenda while desperately trying to keep the peace among the tea partiers who control his future.

Then, finally, it looked like he'd pulled something off. He announced the Netanyahu speech two weeks ago, catching the president off guard and garnering huzzahs from every corner of the the conservative movement. Finally, a victory!

But now it's all turned to ashes. His big spectacle is in tatters, with Democrats in open revolt and pundits of all stripes agreeing that he overreached by going around the White House on a foreign policy matter. It's been nothing but a headache, and even Netanyahu has joined the lynch mob now. What's worse, there's nothing he can do. The speech is still four weeks away, and Boehner has no choice but to let the whole dreary debacle play out. He already knows his show is a flop, but the curtain has to come up anyway and Boehner has to keep a stiff upper lip the whole time.

Poor guy.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/02/john-boehners-big-triumph-now-just-big-shit-sandwich


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 9:56 am • # 30 
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And the list of expected "no shows" keeps growing ~ Sooz

Senators Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders to skip Netanyahu speech
Agence France-Presse | 10 Feb 2015 at 12:47 ET

At least two US senators, including the chamber’s longest-serving lawmaker, will skip Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to Congress next month, deepening a partisan fissure over the controversial address.

In a blunt statement Tuesday, Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy accused Republican leaders in the House of Representatives of “unilaterally” arranging and politicizing Netanyahu’s planned address before a joint meeting of Congress on March 3.

Leahy, a seven-term senator, said that by scheduling the speech without input from the White House, Republicans “have orchestrated a tawdry and high-handed stunt that has embarrassed not only Israel but the Congress itself.”

Leahy noted the unwritten rule of Congress speaking and acting “with one voice” on foreign policy whenever possible, with US national interests the paramount concern and “with caution about the unintended consequences of unilateral actions like this.

“They have diminished that valuable precedent,” he said.

Vice President Joe Biden, symbolically the president of the US Senate, is the most high-profile official yet to announce he will not attend Netanyahu’s speech.

Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, is also staying away.

“The president of the United States heads up our foreign policy, and the idea that the president wasn’t even consulted — that is wrong and not a good thing for our country,” Sanders said at the Brookings Institute Monday.

“I may watch it on TV but I’m not going.”

US lawmakers are traditionally united in their support of Israel.

But the speech that House Speaker John Boehner invited the prime minister to give, in the midst of crunch negotiations between Iran and world powers over restricting the Islamic republic’s nuclear program, has triggered divisions in Congress.

Israeli officials mounted a charm offensive last week, sending Knesset speaker Yuli Edelstein up to Capitol Hill to contain the damage, as House members from both sides reportedly considered boycotting the Netanyahu speech.

Top House Democrat Nancy Pelosi, in meeting with Edelstein, emphasized the “value all members place on the US-Israel relationship in a non-partisan way,” her spokesman said.

“The leader expressed her concern that casting a political apple of discord into the relationship is not the best way forward given the formidable challenges our two countries are facing together.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/senators-patrick-leahy-and-bernie-sanders-to-skip-netanyahu-speech/


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 10:07 am • # 31 
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IMO, both Boehner and Netanyahu are playing with fire ~ there are a couple of "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

TPM LIVEWIRE
Former Israeli Ambassadors Say Netanyahu Should Cancel Speech
By Dylan Scott Published February 13, 2015, 5:46 PM EST

Five former Israeli ambassadors said in interviews with Ynet News that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should cancel his upcoming speech to Congress.

The news outlet talked with six former ambassadors about the controversy. Though they declined to criticize their successor, Ron Dermer, who has been at the center of the speech flap, five of the six said that the prime minister shouldn't go forward with the speech.

Ynet News spoke with former ambassadors Moshe Arens, Moshe Arad, Itamar Rabinovich, Shimon Peres, Danny Ayalon, Sallai Meridor, and Michael Oren, Dermer's immediate predecessor. Their combined service dates back to the early 1980s.

"If the prime minister is perceived to be meddling in US politics, it has implications for the Jewish community," Arad said.

"If he were to convince me that his actions were of benefit with regard to Iran, despite the cost of the damage to our relations with the United States, I'd support him," Meridor said. "But we are paying a double price, and Congress in the end isn't united against Iran. His appearance before Congress won't be beneficial and may even hurt the things for which he is going there."

Or as Rabinovich put it most succinctly: "He made a mistake – period."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/former-israeli-ambassaodrs-netanyahu-speech


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 10:18 am • # 32 
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Boehner can't find his way out of a bottle ~ I'm fervently hoping KARMA appears and is in a very bitchy mood ~ :ey ~ Sooz

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Boehner: I Didn't Want 'Interference' From Obama In Netanyahu Speech
By Caitlin MacNeal Published February 15, 2015, 10:03 AM EST

"Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace on Sunday quizzed House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) on his decision to invite Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak before Congress.

Boehner invited Netanyahu without consulting the White House, leading numerous congressional Democrats to boycott the speech.

"Haven’t you taken one of the few bipartisan issues in this country — support for Israel — and turned it into a political football?" Wallace asked.

"I have not. The fact is that we had every right to do what we did," Boehner responded. "I wanted the prime minister to come here. There’s a serious threat facing the world. And radical Islamic terrorists are not going to go away."

"And then when it comes to the threat of Iran having a nuclear weapon, these are important messages that the Congress needs to hear and the American people need to hear," the speaker continued. "And I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu is the perfect person to deliver the message of how serious this threat is."

Wallace then pointed out that Boehner asked Ron Dermer, Israel's ambassador to the U.S., not to tell the White House about the joint meeting with Netanyahu.

"Why would you do that?" Wallace asked.

"Because I wanted to make sure that there was no interference. There’s no secret here in Washington about the animosity that this White House has for Prime Minister Netanyahu. I frankly didn’t want that getting in the way, quashing what I thought was a real opportunity," Boehner responded.

Wallace challenged Boehner, commenting that the invitation created controversy.

"Shouldn’t the relationship between the U.S. and Israel be outside of politics?" he asked.

"It’s an important message that the American people need to hear. I’m glad that he’s coming, and I’m looking forward to what he has to say," Boehner responded.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-netanyahu-speech-white-house


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PostPosted: 02/17/15 10:37 am • # 33 
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I don't take any dirty trick off the table when it comes to Netanyahu, who I believe will say or do whatever he thinks will best advance his own mindset at any given moment ~ :g ~ emphasis/bolding below is mine ~ Sooz

Did Netanyahu leak sensitive information?
02/17/15 10:02 AM—Updated 02/17/15 10:21 AM
By Steve Benen

It’s no secret that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a fierce opponent of ongoing diplomatic talks with Iran. Indeed, he’s eager to partner with congressional Republicans to derail the international negotiations – for the first time ever, lawmakers invited a foreign leader to deliver a speech to a joint session of Congress for the express purpose of condemning, and working to undermine, American foreign policy.

Just how far would Netanyahu go to achieve his goals? David Ignatius raised an alarming possibility yesterday in his Washington Post column.

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Mistrust between the Obama administration and Benjamin Netanyahu has widened even further in recent days because of U.S. suspicion that the Israeli prime minister has authorized leaks of details about the U.S. nuclear talks with Iran.

The decision to reduce the exchange of sensitive information about the Iran talks was prompted by concerns that Netanyahu’s office had given Israeli journalists sensitive details of the U.S. position, including a U.S. offer to allow Iran to enrich uranium with 6,500 or more centrifuges as part of a final deal.

The point of the alleged leak was to make it seem as if the West were giving Tehran a sweetheart deal, though Ignatius’ piece went on to note that Obama administration officials believe the leaked details were misleading and removed from relevant context.

In fairness to the Israeli Prime Minister, we don’t yet know whether the suspicions are true. Ignatius offered no hints about his sources and no one has even gone on the record in making the accusation.

Having said that, Ignatius is hardly a purveyor of baseless speculation. On the contrary, he has a reputation for being responsible in these areas, which makes the underlying allegation that much more serious.

The point here is simple: the United States and Israel are close allies. If Netanyahu and/or officials in his administration leaked sensitive details in the hopes of derailing ongoing talks, then it’s a serious breach of trust that will have real and practical consequences.

Indeed, Ignatius’ piece went on to say, “U.S. officials believed that Netanyahu’s office was the source of these reports and concluded that they couldn’t be as transparent as before with the Israel leader about the secret talks.”

And that’s a problem. It’s in the interest of both the U.S. and Israel to have an open and constructive relationship when it comes to sharing intelligence. If U.S. officials believe they have to start holding back because Netanyahu is untrustworthy, it deepens the rift between the two allies at a delicate time.

Max Fisher had a good piece on this yesterday, explaining why the possible breakdown could be “bad for everyone.”

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[T]he US and Israel have a long and productive track record of intelligence sharing, particularly when it comes to Iran, and this would be a worrying indication of the US-Israel breakdown. That should worry everyone, and not just observers who are skeptical of an Iran deal or who believe that preserving the level of US-Israel cooperation is more important.

Some proponents of a nuclear deal with Iran may welcome this news as demonstrating that Netanyahu is a bad actor who should be sidelined from the negotiations process. But this would be misguided, and even proponents of a deal should worry about this development. One reason that Iran is willing to negotiate at all is that the US has succeeded in putting enormous pressure on the country and its nuclear program – often with crucial Israeli help. That has meant both gathering intelligence and, in cases such as the 2010 cyberattack on centrifuges via the Stuxnet virus, offensive operations.

If the US and Israel cooperate less on Iran, and the pressure on Iran drops (or Tehran believes that it is likely to drop), then Iran has less incentive to make the painful concessions necessary to strike a deal, and a final nuclear deal is thus less likely to be achieved.

On a related note, let’s also not forget that the day before Ignatius’ column was published, Netanyahu gave an address in Jerusalem in which he seemed to acknowledge the goal of his speech to the U.S. Congress would be to “prevent” the nuclear talks with Iran from reaching their goals.

In other words, there is no ambiguity about everyone’s intentions: congressional Republicans are partnering with a foreign head of state in order to undermine the American president and American foreign policy.


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/did-netanyahu-leak-sensitive-information#break


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Dems all should attend and then walk out as soon as Bibi starts his speech.
Then the US should suspend aid to Israel until after a new PM is elected.


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CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite
Alexandra Jaffe, CNN
Updated 2:01 PM ET, Tue February 17, 2015


Washington (CNN)—A large majority of Americans believe that Republican congressional leaders should not have invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to Congress without consulting the White House, according to a new CNN/ORC survey.

The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do.

And as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict continues to simmer in the Middle East, the survey found that a similar majority thinks the U.S. should stay out of that fight altogether.

House Speaker John Boehner's invitation to Netanyahu sparked a minor international incident and further strained already tense relations between the U.S. and Israeli leaders. Netanyahu is expected to make the case to Congress next month for increased sanctions on Iran, a key point of contention between the Israeli leader and Obama, who has been urging Congress to hold off on further sanctions for fear of jeopardizing nuclear talks with the nation.

Obama has said he will not meet with Netanyahu during his visit because the trip comes too close to Israel's elections. A growing number of Democrats in both chambers have announced over the past two weeks that they won't be attending the speech, prompting some to question whether the Israeli leader should cancel or move his speech.

Though the speech has become a partisan issue on Capitol Hill, even Republicans are split on whether it was a good idea for leadership to invite Netanyahu without alerting the White House, with a slight majority — 52% — backing the move. Just 14% of Democrats say it was the right thing to do, and just over a third of independents support the move.

But Americans overall believe the U.S. should stay out of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with 66% in the new poll advocating the U.S. remain neutral. Of those who do support picking a side, the majority, 29%, back Israel, while only 2% support Palestine.



Even Republicans, typically seen as the party offering the strongest defense of Israel, are split on whether the U.S. should officially support Israel in the conflict. Forty-nine percent support backing the nation, while 47% say the U.S. should stay out of it.

And a significant age gap suggests U.S. sentiment may, in the long term, be moving further in favor of neutrality in the conflict. While 56% of those age 50 or older believe the U.S. should stay out of the Israeli-Palestinian fight, that number skyrockets to 75% of Americans under age 50.

The survey was conducted among 1,027 adult Americans from Feb. 12-15 and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/17/politics/ ... index.html?


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sooz- can you boil down those 35 posts for me? i am short on time.


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LOL, mac! ~ you really are "special" ~ :b

Bottom line: both Boehner and Netanyahu are arrogant, far-right, partisan egomaniacs who conspired for Netanyahu to "address congress" 2 weeks before the Israeli election ~ polls show Netanyahu is NOT a shoe-in ~ Netanyahu is expected to "encourage" more sanctions against Iran, which will likely doom the current nuclear negotiations ~ Boehner and Netanyahu made the arrangements secretly, withOUT any notice to the WH, even tho foreign relations are strictly an Executive branch responsibility ~ Obama, Biden, Kerry and many others [including a few GOPers] are refusing to attend this debacle ~ the US and Israeli publics are seeing this as an intentional public insult to Obama and both as the US meddling in Israeli politics [bcs the next election is so close] AND as Israel meddling in US politics ~

There's much more to the story, and I strongly urge you to find the time to read thru this thread ~

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LOL, mac! ~ you really are "special" ~ :b

Bottom line: both Boehner and Netanyahu are arrogant, far-right, partisan egomaniacs who conspired for Netanyahu to "address congress" 2 weeks before the Israeli election ~ polls show Netanyahu is NOT a shoe-in ~ Netanyahu is expected to "encourage" more sanctions against Iran, which will likely doom the current nuclear negotiations ~ Boehner and Netanyahu made the arrangements secretly, withOUT any notice to the WH, even tho foreign relations are strictly an Executive branch responsibility ~ Obama, Biden, Kerry and many others [including a few GOPers] are refusing to attend this debacle ~ the US and Israeli publics are seeing this as an intentional public insult to Obama and both as the US meddling in Israeli politics [bcs the next election is so close] AND as Israel meddling in US politics ~

There's much more to the story, and I strongly urge you to find the time to read thru this thread ~

Sooz

i will try to do that. i just wanted to make sure this was not just political shenanegans before i did it.

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Netanyahu is a sssssnake ~ hopefully, he'll get singed while playing both ends against the middle ~ there are some "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Don't Feel So Bad Barack!
By Josh Marshall Published February 23, 2015, 9:17 PM EST

As you know, for weeks the US-Israel relationship has been roiled by the speech to Congress secretly arranged by Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer and US Speaker of the House John Boehner. America's head of state, President Barack Obama, and his administration were left out of the loop.

But that wasn't all, it turns out. Netanyahu didn't tell his own National Security Advisor what he and Dermer were up to either.

According to this report from i24News and independently confirmed by TPM, National Security Advisor Yossi Cohen was himself kept out of the loop as Boehner, Dermer and Netanyahu hatched their speech plan.

What adds another dimension to the story is that the National Security Advisor position is only a few years old. It was an innovation of Netanyahu himself - part of a larger effort to reshape the Israeli national security apparatus and the office of the Prime Minister on the mold of the United States.

The position was created in 1999 during Netanyahu's first government and then upgraded with a more formal statutory footing in 2008. Before Netanyahu appointed him to the position in 2013, Cohen was the deputy chief of the Mossad. Notably - and perhaps tied to Netanyahu's decision to keep him out of the speech planning process - Cohen is an expert on Iran and briefed Netanyahu on Iran developments while he was still with the Mossad.

Cohen apparently found out about the speech plans just as US administration officials did - hours before Boehner's announcement.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/dont-feel-so-bad-barack


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Still cleaning out my "saved to read/maybe post later" file, so this is out-of-sync date-wise ~ but it ably exposes John Boehner's and the GOP/TPers' duplicity ~ there are some "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Republicans harden partisan lines over Israel
02/16/15 10:01 AM
By Steve Benen

Just when it seemed the political dispute surrounding the Republican/Netanyahu partnership couldn’t get any uglier, the GOP leader who instigated the fight managed to make matters worse.

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Republican House Speaker John Boehner on Sunday defended his decision to invite Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak before Congress, despite vocal opposition from the White House.

Boehner said he purposefully instructed Israel’s Ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer, not to tell the White House about the invitation. “I wanted to make sure there was no interference,” he told Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.”

The context is almost amusing, in a macabre sort of way. The Speaker of the House decided to partner with a foreign government to help undermine the foreign policy of the United States, and he did this in secret because he didn’t want “interference” from those responsible for shaping U.S. foreign policy. The follow-up question I desperately wanted Wallace to ask Boehner was, “Do you even hear yourself?”

For that matter, Haaretz, a leading Israeli newspaper, added yesterday, “Boehner’s remarks contradict the earlier claim by him and his staff that he gave the White House sufficient warning about the Netanyahu invite.”

Correct. The House Speaker not only went behind the president’s back in the hopes of sabotaging American diplomatic efforts, he now also appears to have been caught fibbing about it.

In the same Fox News interview yesterday, Boehner added, “The fact is that we had every right to do what we did.” That’s probably true. There is no law or written rule that prevents American lawmakers from partnering with foreign officials to undermine American foreign policy. But there are norms and protocols, and for about two centuries, responsible U.S. officials realized that such actions were simply beyond the pale.

Maybe someday, the hapless House Speaker will realize that having “every right” to do something does not make the action just.

In the meantime, while Republicans try to politicize U.S. support for Israel, and assorted partisans cheer on the Boehner/Netanyahu debacle, five former Israeli ambassadors have publicly called on the Prime Minister to cancel his scheduled March 3 address.

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Ynet News spoke with former ambassadors Moshe Arens, Moshe Arad, Itamar Rabinovich, Shimon Peres, Danny Ayalon, Sallai Meridor, and Michael Oren, Dermer’s immediate predecessor. Their combined service dates back to the early 1980s.

“If the prime minister is perceived to be meddling in US politics, it has implications for the Jewish community,” Arad said…. Or as Rabinovich put it most succinctly: “He made a mistake – period.”

For every pundit and partisan who wants to suggest that Netanyahu speaks for all Jews, and that those who question his GOP gambit are somehow anti-Israel, the evidence to contrary is overwhelming.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-harden-partisan-lines-over-israel


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Belatedly posting this but it's a solid commentary ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2015 3:51 PM UTC
Boehner & Bibi’s blunder: The problem is much bigger than not giving Obama a “heads up”
The problem with Boehner's invitation to the Israeli PM wasn't merely that he forgot to notify the White House.
Jim Newell

The poll numbers are in and look at that, the American public has a problem with John Boehner’s controversial invitation of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. “Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite,” blares the headline on CNN, which commissioned the poll. So what was the question? “Do you approve of John Boehner inviting Benjamin Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress?” Not quite.

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A large majority of Americans believe that Republican congressional leaders should not have invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to Congress without consulting the White House, according to a new CNN/ORC survey.

The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do.

Without “consulting the White House,” or without “giving President Obama a heads up that it was coming”? These terms are not interchangeable. Which one is it? Here is the exact wording of the question: ”Do you think Congressional leaders did the right thing or the wrong thing by inviting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress without first notifying the president that they would do so?”

This is a tiddlywinks way of approaching the real problem with the invitation, focusing on bad dinner-table manners without delving into the more serious subtext. It’s Wolf Blitzer-esque in its superficiality. Fittingly, the CNN article is accompanied by a brief clip of Wolf Blitzer talking about it, in the same tenor that he might talk about Kanye West’s treatment of Beck at the Grammys — that this begins and ends as a story about a social faux-pas.

Who cares whether Boehner gave the White House a “heads up” or not? There’s a big difference between a “heads up” or “notification,” on the one hand, and a “consultation” on the other. A “heads up” or “notification” implies that Boehner had already made up his mind to extend the invitation. If he had already decided to send the invitation, it’s not important whether he called president with deets or sent a telegram or carrier pigeon down Pennsylvania Avenue. He certainly should have “consulted” with the White House before extending the invitation. The White House would have told him not to do it, though, which is why he didn’t consult with them.

The invitation was a big deal not because of the lack of the “heads up,” but because it was an explicit effort to sabotage the Obama administration’s foreign policy. Benjamin Netanyahu and a whole hell of a lot of influential Republican foreign policy people do not want any nuclear deal with Iran. They do not trust Iran to adhere to any agreement that restricts them from obtaining nuclear weapons. Thus they consider diplomatic talks with Iran contrary to Western interests. They want to blow up the talks, and then they want to blow up Iran.

Benjamin Netanyahu will come to Congress with the express purpose of lobbying lawmakers to oppose diplomatic engagement with Iran, i.e., to oppose the top foreign policy priority of our sitting head of state. He, and his mostly-but-not-entirely Republican allies, want Congress to approve additional sanctions on Iran right now with a veto-proof majority. That’s because passing that new round of sanctions would likely end the negotiations, and we could get on with the business of bombing Iran. This is the goal of the speech. (Also: to make Netanyahu look really cool and persuasive on the international stage right before he’s up for reelection.) Here is how an Israeli foreign minister in Netanyahu’s government recently put it:

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Nonetheless, Hanegbi indicated that Netanyahu would still make the March 3 speech, which also comes two weeks before Israeli elections. He said that the speech could still help secure the two-thirds vote needed to override President Obama’s promised veto on any new sanctions on Iran.

“The Republicans know, as the president has already made clear, that he will veto this legislation. So in order to pass legislation that overcomes the veto, two-thirds are required in the Senate,” Hanegbi said. “So if the prime minister can persuade another one or two or another three or four, this could have weight.”

You’ve got to love the total lack of discretion when it comes to the Netanyahu government. There’s no coded language; none of the typical “we’d just like to come to discuss the global outlook with our dear allies” boilerplate. This guy’s saying, Oh, we’re definitely doing this to whip some votes for a veto-proof majority on sanctions. Netanyahu will probably throw envelopes of cash at fence-sitting lawmakers during the speech. Love the candor. It makes my job a whole lot easier when, instead of trying to divine someone’s motives, we have his people running to the press saying THIS IS OUR MOTIVE.

The invitation was an aggressive move by the people who want to bomb Iran right now against the people who think we should exhaust all diplomatic options. Let’s talk about it like that. Focusing on whether or not Boehner told the White House that he was going to try to screw them over before trying to screw them over is a sideshow.

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The Dems might want to invite the Iranian President to address Congress.


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the US and Israeli publics are seeing this as an intentional public insult to Obama and both as the US meddling in Israeli politics [bcs the next election is so close] AND as Israel meddling in US politics ~


Fancy the US meddling in other country's politics! And how DARE any other country meddle in US politics!!!!

What a laugh!!!


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USian exceptionalism vs Israeli exceptionalism?


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What Boehner, Netanyahu, indeed most of America, has forgotten is that the United States is only one of several major powers negotiating with Iran. The only scuttling it can do is of it's own participation in the plan. It may well be that Europe, Russia, China, etc. could go ahead with a deal regardless of what the United States wants. It's been done before, both with the World Court and the Kyoto accords. That would mean the existing sanctions would be difficult to maintain and new ones almost impossible to impose.

The end result might be a situation like Cuba where every country in the world trades with it, except the United States.


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It then isn't a huge step until the US and Israel end up being the Cubas with the rest of the world ignoring and isolating the two.
Everyone is getting mighty sick and tired of the US-Israeli obstructionism.


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And here's the crux of the problem ~ :ey ~ I'll post the J. J. Goldberg/Forward piece [live-linked below in the original] next ~ it's a doozy ~ Sooz

Pants on Fire
By Josh Marshall Published March 1, 2015, 5:49 PM EST

We're about to see a mountain of writing and hoopla this week about Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's visit to the United States and speech before Congress. A guy on Twitter asked me if a comment I made was meant to be ironic. My thought was to tell him that irony simply doesn't have the muscle mass to handle what's coming down the pike this week. Only snark and absurdism can manage it. But with all this, one of the most significant developments has gone all but unmentioned. We now have dramatic new evidence of Netanyahu's willingness to distort or simply falsify what his own intelligence agencies are telling him about the state of Iran's nuclear program when he speaks to the U.S. and the world.

J.J. Goldberg goes into depth about it here in The Forward. But the gist is this: You probably remember that Netanyahu speech a couple years ago before the United Nations - the one where he used the bomb cartoon to illustrate his points about the Iranian nuclear program. In that speech Netanyahu made a series of specific claims about the status of the Iranian nuclear program. (Again, read J.J.'s piece for the details.) It turns out several of those claims were specifically contradicted by the current intelligence from the Mossad - Israel's foreign intelligence agency. We know this because of a major leak of hundreds of documents from South African intelligence. One of those is a report from the South Africans' Israeli counterparts - detailing their current evaluation of the status of the program. It's dated only a few weeks after Netanyahu's speech.

It has been an open secret for years that very, very few of Israel's top military and intelligence leaders see eye to eye with Netanyahu on the Iran question. This isn't to say that they don't view it as a major threat; they do. The questions are whether it is an existential threat and the wisdom of an Israeli military strike to thwart or retard the program. (Here's an article from this weekend on the head of Mossad from 2002 to 2010, Meir Dagan, saying Netanyahu is 'destroying the Zionist dream' with his leadership.) But these are questions of judgment and strategy - which are ultimately the province of elected leaders. The points in the UN speech are narrow questions of fact - which Netanyahu appears to have deliberately misstated.

Unfortunately for Israel, unfortunately for America, unfortunately for everyone, Netanyahu can't be trusted - not his judgment or his honesty. And no amount of deterrence will stop the onslaught of weaponized grandiosity he plans to unleash on America this coming week.

Also, did I mention, you can't trust him to tell the truth?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/pants-on-fire


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To me, this is an important and blistering read ~ Sooz

Benjamin Netanyahu’s Iran Exaggerations Now Clear for All To See
Massive Mossad Leak Contradicts Bibi Ticking Tale
By J.J. Goldberg | Published February 27, 2015, issue of March 06, 2015.

Say what you will, the latest intelligence leak to hit the world headlines couldn’t have come at a worse time for Benjamin Netanyahu. Just a week before the Israeli prime minister’s congressional address on the Iranian nuclear threat, a document from his own spy agency turns up and shows that his dark warnings about Iran don’t always match the facts known to Israeli intelligence.

The document in question is a 2012 memo from Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency, updating its South African counterpart on the status of Iran’s nuclear project. It’s one of several hundred classified South African intelligence documents leaked to Al Jazeera and reported February 23 in Al Jazeera and the Guardian of London.

What put the Mossad memo in the headlines is the fact that it’s dated October 22, 2012, barely three-and-a-half weeks after Netanyahu’s famous cartoon-bomb speech about Iran to the United Nations General Assembly. Yet it contradicted the Israeli leader’s U.N. speech on several critical points of fact, including how far away Iran was from bomb-making capacity and whether it even had the ability to produce weapons-grade uranium.

This isn’t the first time Netanyahu’s Iran talk has been contradicted by voices from within Israel’s security establishment. Up to now, though, dissent has come from individuals speaking to closed audiences or in carefully couched newspaper interviews. This is the first time disagreements have surfaced in an apparently official Mossad document.

No less important, previous disagreements have usually involved analysis or interpretation of the facts: whether an Israeli attack on Iran was wise; whether the Iranian threat to Israel is “existential”; whether Tehran’s leaders could be reasoned with.

The leaked memo, by contrast, reveals sharp differences over plain fact.

The heart of Netanyahu’s U.N. speech concerned Iran’s progress in enriching uranium to weapons-grade purity, which he said was only months away from completion. Of the three stages of enrichment — refining raw ore to 5% pure uranium, then refining it again to 20% and finally to bomb-grade 90% purity — Iran had “completed the first stage” and was “well into the second stage,” which would be finished “by next spring, at most by next summer,” meaning 2013.

“From there,” he said, “it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.”

And once Iran had a bomb, he said, it would use it, because its “apocalyptic leaders” believe a nuclear holocaust would bring the rapture, when “their brand of radical Islam will rule the earth.”

The Mossad memo, dated less than a month later, said that “even though Iran has accumulated enough 5% enriched uranium for several bombs, and has enriched some of it to 20%, it does not appear ready to enrich it to higher levels.” For one thing, the 20% stockpile was “not increasing” because quantities were being “allocated” to the civilian-based Tehran Research Reactor.

Second, enrichment to weapons-grade, the third stage, wouldn’t be possible until work was finished on a separate facility, the IR40 heavy-water reactor under construction at Arak. “We assess,” the memo said, “that this will not happen before mid-2014” — a full year after Netanyahu said the quickie third stage would begin.

Even then, Arak “is expected to produce enough military-grade plutonium for one bomb per year, but in the absence of a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant” — an essential last leg that’s “unknown in Iran” — “this plutonium will not be able to be used for weapons.” The “bottom line”: Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons,” but was building the “knowhow” and “organizational framework” to do so “when the order is given.”

The memo’s leaking follows years of public and semi-public indications that Israel’s senior security figures don’t share Netanyahu’s views on Iran. Most famous was the dissent in the spring of 2010 by the heads of the three main security branches, the Mossad, Shin Bet and Israel Defense Forces, when the prime minister ordered preparations for an air attack on Iran. All three were replaced in early 2011.

Their objection — the Mossad’s Meir Dagan called the proposed attack “the stupidest thing I ever heard” — didn’t concern enrichment. As former Netanyahu security adviser Uzi Arad explained to me, a solo Israeli attack would make things worse. It might flatten some facilities and gain a year’s delay. But Iran would quickly rebuild, and could now act openly, claiming it needed nukes to defend itself against a nearby nuclear power that attacked first.

To be useful, Arad said, a raid must be led by America, which has far more firepower, and should include Western and moderate Arab nations. Allied support would be needed to impose long-term, highly intrusive inspections that ensure Tehran doesn’t rearm. An Israeli attack would render all that impossible.

The other, more veiled critique of Netanyahu is the assertion that the Iranian leadership is “rational,” as stated by then-IDF chief of staff Benny Gantz in an April 2012 Haaretz interview, and that Iran doesn’t pose an “existential threat” to Israel, as stated by Mossad director Tamir Pardo in a December 2011 speech and repeated since then by former IDF chief Dan Halutz and former Mossad director Efraim Halevy.

Despite its preparations, Gantz told Haaretz, Iran would stop short of actually manufacturing a nuclear device as long as it faced a credible military threat, because its leaders are “very rational people” who aren’t suicidal. The same logic led Pardo, Halutz and Halevy to conclude that Iran isn’t an “existential” threat — that it wouldn’t drop a nuclear bomb on Israel, knowing that Israel would retaliate in kind. It’s a threat, to be sure; mere possession of a bomb would change the regional balance of power in dangerous ways and restrict Israel’s maneuvering room. But mutual annihilation isn’t in the cards.

The rationality question lies at the heart of Netanyahu’s dispute with the Obama administration. Under President Bush, the Europeans were negotiating with Iran and getting nowhere, while America looked on. The Bush administration imposed strict sanctions, but Russia and China didn’t participate, claiming America hadn’t given negotiations a chance. Iran, unscathed, raced forward.

Obama changed the game by taking the lead in negotiations. That convinced Russia and China to join broader sanctions, which finally began to hurt. The result: Iran’s agreement a year ago to negotiate seriously and sharply slow its nuclear work — including halting construction at Arak — in return for partial easing of sanctions. The goal is an Iranian nuclear infrastructure that’s kept permanently a year short of bomb capacity, enough time for the West to detect and react to a violation.

Netanyahu insists any Iranian enrichment is too much. Nobody believes Iran will voluntarily drop its entire project, but the prime minister believes — sincerely, his aides insist — that if he can convince enough people, a truly crippling sanctions regime can bring the mullahs to their knees. Apparently they’re irrational enough to welcome nuclear Armageddon, but rational enough to yield to economic punishment.

Netanyahu might reasonably have hoped appealing in the name of Israel and the Jewish people, he might sway Washington officialdom. But now, thanks to Al Jazeera, they’ll have to wonder whether his words reflect what Israel’s vaunted intelligence knows, and if not, where else he goes for information.

http://forward.com/articles/215562/benjamin-netanyahu-s-iran-exaggerations-now-clea/


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Apparently the GOP/TPers were hooting/hollering in favor of Netanyahu, going so far as to give him a number of standing ovations during his speech ~ but this Steve Benen report is the general consensus from most other [non-Fox or far-right] sources ~ I still deeply believe Netanyahu himself is an enormous threat to the survival of Israel ~ Sooz

Netanyahu’s missed opportunity
03/03/15 03:53 PM—Updated 03/03/15 04:10 PM
By Steve Benen

All eyes were on Capitol Hill this morning, when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered a speech to a joint session of Congress, hoping to undermine nuclear diplomacy with Iran. Everyone involved in the debate, regardless of their position, had a pretty good idea as to what the Israeli leader was going to say, and he met expectations.

A senior administration official told Jake Tapper there was “literally not one new idea” in Netanyahu’s speech, and “not one single concrete alternative” to the ongoing P5+1 talks. The official added that the prime minister’s speech was “all rhetoric, no action.”

The complaints have the benefit of being true.

Putting aside the fear-mongering and the Cheney-esque rhetoric, what Netanyahu’s remarks boiled down to was a straightforward message: Iran is bad and the deal that’s coming together with Iran won’t work. What Netanyahu’s speech was supposed to do was offer policymakers and critics of the talks a viable alternative solution, and on this front, the prime minister blew it. As Jon Chait noted:

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Netanyahu’s panicked plea for what he called ”the survival of our country” is hardly a figment of his imagination. His recitation of the evils of Iran’s regime was largely correct. He might conceivably be correct that the Obama administration could have secured a stronger deal with Iran than the one it is negotiating, though that conclusion is hard to vouchsafe without detailed knowledge of the negotiations. […]

But Netanyahu did not make even the barest case for a better alternative.

It’s a familiar problem for President Obama’s critics: there’s an obvious problem in need of a solution; there’s a proposal preferred by the White House; and there are Obama’s critics, insisting they hate the president’s solution without offering a credible alternative of their own.

It’s not that the Netanyahu critique is necessarily unpersuasive. Iran does not have a trustworthy track record, and no one in the Western world thinks it’d be a positive development for Tehran to have nuclear weapons. In fact, Obama has already said all of this; it’s an accepted consensus.

But it’s the case the Israeli leader builds on this foundation that’s problematic. For Netanyahu, no deal with Iran will work. No system of inspections will work. No verification process will work. No promises from Iran can be trusted.

And if Netanyahu is correct, the real solution is … what exactly? The prime minister had the platform to present a more effective vision, but he chose not to present one.

Perhaps the message was implicit and unstated. Maybe the audience was supposed to simply understand that Netanyahu prefers a military solution, disrupting an Iranian nuclear program through airstrikes. But (a) if that is the prime minister’s solution he should say so; and (b) there’s no reason to assume that a military campaign against a possible Iranian threat will permanently derail the country’s nuclear ambitions. On the contrary, it might even do the opposite.

“The alternative to this bad deal is a much better deal,” he told American lawmakers today. In theory, that sounds great – better deals are always, by definition, superior to bad deals. But where is this elusive better deal? What are its details? How would it receive international support? How would it be implemented?

Netanyahu didn’t, and wouldn’t, say. What a missed opportunity.

Postscript: At one point, the prime minister said, “I can only urge the leaders of the world not to repeat the mistakes of the past.” This isn’t what Netanyahu meant, one of the mistakes of our recent past was listening to him when he said invading Iraq was a great idea. If we’re going to avoid repeating mistakes, maybe we can start here.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/netanyahus-missed-opportunity?cid=sm_fb_maddow


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”If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region.” - Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002

Now he wants us to spend billions of our dollars and lose more American lives taking out Iran's regime.

To quote the above article, "For Netanyahu, no deal with Iran will work. No system of inspections will work. No verification process will work. No promises from Iran can be trusted.

And if Netanyahu is correct, the real solution is … what exactly?"

The answer to that question for Netanyahu is invade Iran.


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