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PostPosted: 06/19/15 2:06 pm • # 26 
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queenie, your comment "I just can't figure out how to have this conversation." resonates loudly with me ~ we absolutely/positively need to have the conversation ~ but any worthwhile conversation needs to go back-and-forth ~ the problem of course is that the NRA and the GOP/TPers are so totally locked into their own reality and believe their own BS that having any real "conversation" is a pipe dream ~ Sooz

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I don't want to wade deeper into the swamp of what if, BUT: after 1939 FDR fought hard for legislation to aid England with war materiel. Isolationists in Congress fought back and denied him authorization. He finally basically defied them by furnishing that aid under the guise of non-war commerce and other devices. Lend-Lease was one of them, whereby the US built and "lent/leased" (a euphemism for "gave") ships to further the British war effort. Congress and most of the population of the US wasn't on board with it until Pearl Harbor. Without the US' help (and the Russians' involvement) I don't believe it would have ended well for England.

Americans were still sick of American involvement with European wars from WW1, only ~ 20-some years before. When Hitler formally declared was against us immediately after Pearl harbor, though, it was Katy bar the door, we were all in.

Nationalism on the part of the people, national interest on the part of FDR administration. I'm not sure morality played a very big part in it.


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Other than some USAF units, USian troops din't join the fighting until almost a full year after Pearl Harbour. By the Hitler's number was up.


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PostPosted: 06/19/15 3:02 pm • # 29 
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In case you missed my #23 post ~ Sooz

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If people want to discuss WWII, someone should start a thread on it ~ the Charleston massacre is too important a topic in and of itself to go so far off-track ~

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sooz06 wrote:
If people want to discuss WWII, someone should start a thread on it ~ the Charleston massacre is too important a topic in and of itself to go so far off-track ~

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You're absolutely right Sooz and I apologize for not sticking to the topic.

Here is an interesting article about Dylann Roof.

For accused killer Dylann Roof, a life that had quietly drifted off track
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/accused-killer-in-sc-slayings-described-as-a-quiet-loner/2015/06/18/a4127390-15d0-11e5-89f3-61410da94eb1_story.html?hpid=z1


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PostPosted: 06/20/15 8:30 am • # 31 
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I'm thinking "forgiveness" benefits the survivor ~ but since I'm having real difficulty "forgiving" this evil against strangers, I'm not sure I could ever "forgive" this evil against anyone I love ~ :g ~ Sooz

'I Forgive You': The Extraordinary Things Victims' Families Said To Shooting Suspect
By ASSOCIATED PRESS Published June 19, 2015, 3:09 PM EDT UPDATE: June 19, 2015, 3:39 PM EDT

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — Representatives of the families of the nine victims of a fatal shooting at a black church in Charleston addressed shooting suspect Dylann Roof in court ahead of a bond hearing Friday. Roof appeared via video link and seemed to show no emotion as family members spoke, showing their anger, sadness and even forgiveness.

Roof could hear the family members talking but wasn't able to see them — a fixed camera is trained only on the judge for the hearing.

Felecia Sanders , mother of Tywanza Sanders:

"We welcomed you Wednesday night in our Bible study with open arms. You have killed some of the most beautifulest people that I know. Every fiber in my body hurts ... and I'll never be the same."

"Tywanza Sanders was my son, but Tywanza was my hero. Tywanza was my hero. But as we said in Bible study, we enjoyed you but may God have mercy on you."

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Bethane Middleton-Brown, representing family of the Rev. DePayne Middleton-Doctor:

"DePayne Doctor was my sister. And I just thank you on the behalf of my family for not allowing hate to win. For me, I'm a work in progress and I acknowledge that I'm very angry."

"But one thing DePayne always joined in my family with is that she taught me we are the family that love built."

"We have no room for hate. We have to forgive. I pray God on your soul. And I also thank God I won't be around when your judgment day comes with him."

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Alana Simmons, granddaughter of Daniel Simmons:

"Although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate, this is proof — everyone's plea for your soul is proof they lived in love and their legacies will live in love, so hate won't win. And I just want to thank the court for making sure that hate doesn't win."

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Anthony Thompson, representing family of Myra Thompson:

"I forgive you, my family forgives you. We would like you to take this opportunity to repent. Repent. Confess. Give your life to the one who matters the most, Christ, so he can change your ways no matter what happens to you and you'll be OK. Do that and you'll be better off than you are right now."

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Daughter of Ethel Lance:

"I forgive you. You took something really precious away from me. I will never talk to her ever again. I will never be able to hold her again. But I forgive you and have mercy on your soul. It hurts me, it hurts a lot of people but God forgive you and I forgive you."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dylann-roof-charleston-shooting-victims-families-court


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PostPosted: 06/20/15 8:26 pm • # 32 
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A picture is worth a thousand words...

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More pictures here; http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/authorities-investigate-whether-racist-manifesto-was-written-by-sc-gunman/2015/06/20/f0bd3052-1762-11e5-9ddc-e3353542100c_story.html?hpid=z1

And here is how Fox covers it;


Fox's Steve Doocy: It's Extraordinary That Charleston Church Shooting Is Being Called A Hate Crime

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

Fox's Erick Erickson Says Society's Acceptance of Transgender People Blinds It To "Evil" Of Charleston Killings
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/19/foxs-erick-erickson-says-societys-acceptance-of/204066

Fox's Scramble To Make The Charleston Shooting About Religion, Not Race
Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy stated that it was extraordinary the massacre was being labeled a hate crime, positing, "It was a church, so maybe that's what they're talking about" and citing "hostility towards Christians." Guest Bishop E. W. Jackson agreed that "most people jump to conclusions about race," and that "we don't know why he went into a church, but he didn't choose a bar" or "basketballc ourt." Later, frequent Fox guest and former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani theorized that "we don't know the motivation of the person who did this," saying "maybe he hates Christian churches." And later that day on Fox News Radio, Brian Kilmeade speculated that maybe the shooter "hates Christian churches" or possibly just the state of South Carolina.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/19/foxs-scramble-to-make-the-charleston-shooting-a/204071

Fox's Kilmeade On Charleston Shooting: "Now We Have To Deal With Race And Gun Issues? No"
Kilmeade Adds That Shooter "Probably Wouldn't Have Went In" If Someone In The Church Was Armed
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/19/foxs-kilmeade-on-charleston-shooting-now-we-hav/204068

Fox Hosts Want To Know: Should We Arm Pastors And Teachers After Charleston Mass Shooting?
Elisabeth Hasselbeck: "Should Pastors Pack Heat In Church?"
http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/19/fox-hosts-want-to-know-should-we-arm-pastors-an/204059


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PostPosted: 06/21/15 9:21 am • # 33 
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To me, Fox entities and people are the single-worst thing to ever happen to US media ~ and yes, I know that's saying a lot ~ but, again to me, they are despicable ... and grow even worse with every word they utter/write ~ I would dearly love to see a return of a Fairness Doctrine, updated and strengthened ~

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PostPosted: 06/21/15 9:32 am • # 34 
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I just do not [and likely will never] understand this knee-jerk hatred of everything/anything "different" ... and the accompanying [false] sense of superiority ~ :g ~ Sooz

Charleston gunman left racist manifesto on web site, authorities say
The Washington Post / Lenny Bernstein, Sari Horwitz and Peter Holley / 13 hrs ago

Authorities said Saturday that the man accused of killing nine African Americans in a venerable Charleston, S.C. church left a racist manifesto targeting blacks, Jews and Hispanics on his web site, a denunciation that appears to offer a rationale for the shootings.

The broadside, loaded with offensive racial characterizations of blacks and others, includes the declaration that “someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.”

“I have no choice,” reads part of that final section, titled An Explanation. “I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is [the] most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country.”

Law enforcement authorities said the site belonged to Dylann Roof, the 21-year-old man accused of gunning down nine people at a bible study in Charleston’s historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church Wednesday night, and reflected his views. The site also hosted 60 photos, most of which showed Roof.

As the investigation continued, a church member said that Emanuel would be open Sunday morning at 8:30, with worship services beginning an hour later.

Roof was arrested Thursday about 250 miles north of Charleston, in Shelby, North Carolina and is being held on $1 million bond, charged with nine counts of murder and possessing a firearm while committing a violent crime. He is in solitary confinement in the Charleston County jail and, according to county police, is on suicide watch.

The manifesto unearthed Saturday says that “the event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case,” which, a friend of Roof’s said Saturday, is a theme Roof has spoken of before. Martin, an unarmed African American high school student in Florida, was shot dead in 2012 by George Zimmerman in a racially charged case. Zimmerman, who claimed he acted in self-defense, was found not guilty of second-degree murder.

But the vast majority of the white supremacist rant, which displays some unusually sophisticated language if all of it was written by Roof, a ninth-grade dropout, reveals a deep hatred of minorities--particularly blacks--and a strong belief in racist stereotypes.

“Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals,” the manifesto declares. “These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior.”

It observes that “if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldn’t cause much of a problem” and that there are “good hispanics and bad hispanics,” many of whom, it says, “are White.”

“But they are still our enemies,” the section on Hispanics concludes.

The manifesto also strongly condemns whites who have moved to the suburbs in search of better schools and neighborhoods, which, it declares “is just a way to escape [blacks] and other minorities.” That passage used an epithet for African Americans.

“I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Running because they are too weak, scared and brainwashed to fight,” the manifesto says. It also spurns patriotism as “people pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets.”

One passage acknowledges “great respect for the East Asian races,” who “are by nature very racist” and could be “great allies” of whites.

Authorities and people who have spoken to survivors of the massacre have said that Roof spent an hour with the bible study group in the landmark Charleston church before methodically executing them with a handgun. He stopped to reload five times and spared one woman so she could tell the story of what he had done, according to some. Two others, a woman and a five-year-old girl, escaped.

“I have to do it,” the shooter told his victims, according to Sylvia Johnson, cousin of a pastor who died in the attack, who spoke to a survivor. “You rape our women, and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

Joey Meek, a friend of Roof’s, has said that when Roof was drunk he spoke of “wanting to hurt a whole bunch of people.” But Meek said he shrugged it off because Roof was drinking.

Roof has confessed responsibility for Wednesday night’s rampage and wants his actions known, according to law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

The 60 photos on the Web site are mostly portraits of Roof, many of which appear to have been taken at South Carolina historic sites. There are photos of Roof -- clad in camouflage pants and combat boots -- posing among the gravestones in a Confederate cemetery, crouching amid the hanging moss of a plantation and standing in front of former slave quarters.

There also are more provocative images, such as Roof wearing all black and standing on an African burial site, burning an American flag, holding a confederate flag and posing shirtless in a bedroom with a handgun pointed at the camera.

In one photo, Roof is shown standing in front of a Confederate history museum in Greenville, S.C. Telephone calls and an email to the museum director were not immediately returned.

In another photo, Roof scowls at the camera on a beach, where he’s written the number “1488” in the sand. The numbers, according to the Anti-Defamation League, are a combination of two white supremacist numeric symbols. The number 14 is shorthand for the “14 Words” slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

The number “88” stands for “Heil Hitler, according to the ADL, due to “H” being the 8th letter of the alphabet.

“Together, the numbers form a general endorsement of white supremacy and its beliefs,” according to a statement on the ADL’s Web site. “As such, they are ubiquitous within the white supremacist movement -- as graffiti, in graphics and tattoos, even in screen names and e-mail addresses.”

“I was in disbelief,” it states. “At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?”

On Saturday, the CCC’s Web site appeared to have been taken down. A description on the group’s Facebook page says that its members believe that the United States is a Christian nation and that Americans are part of the European people. The page, which has 558 members, notes that its members also believe in “racial integrity.”

Over the years, the council’s conservative causes­ have also included strict opposition to immigration and forced busing for school desegregation.

In the past, the Southern Poverty Law Center has accused the CCC of having ties to the Ku Klux Klan and the National Association for the Advancement of White People, both “openly white supremacist organizations.”

The CCC’s Web site has run pictures comparing pop singer Michael Jackson to an ape and referred to black people as “a retrograde species of humanity,” according to the SPLC.

Founded in 1985 by Gordon Baum, a personal injury lawyer, the CCC had more than 1 million members at its height, including bankers, business people, judges, newspaper editors and politicians, according to the SPLC.

Baum died in March of an undisclosed illness at age 74, the SPLC reported.

Chico Harlan in Columbia, S.C., and DeNeen Brown and Abby Phillip in Charleston, S.C., contributed to this report.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/charleston-gunman-left-racist-manifesto-on-web-site-authorities-say/ar-AAbT0V2


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This is a VERY difficult, VERY ugly/demeaning read ~ I'll likely have more to say about the content once I can form coherent thoughts ~ but the one thing that struck me while reading this is that it is fairly well-written grammatically ... which is surprising from someone who dropped out of school early [can't remember exactly, maybe 9th grade] ~ Sooz

Full Text Of Charleston Suspect Dylann Roof's Apparent Manifesto
ByTPM Staff Published June 20, 2015, 1:33 PM EDT

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Ed. Note: Below, TPM is publishing the full text of a racist manifesto that surfaced on the website lastrhodesian.com, which was registered under the name of the suspected Charleston, South Carolina gunman Dylann Roof. The white, 21-year-old was arrested and charged with murder in the massacre of nine people this week inside a historic black church in the city. The manifesto has not been verified as belonging to Roof, but the website also included multiple photos, like the one above, of a man who appears to be him.

Warning: The text below contains racist slurs and other offensive language.


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I was not raised in a racist home or environment. Living in the South, almost every White person has a small amount of racial awareness, simply beause of the numbers of negroes in this part of the country. But it is a superficial awareness. Growing up, in school, the White and black kids would make racial jokes toward each other, but all they were were jokes. Me and White friends would sometimes would watch things that would make us think that “blacks were the real racists” and other elementary thoughts like this, but there was no real understanding behind it.

The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

From this point I researched deeper and found out what was happening in Europe. I saw that the same things were happening in England and France, and in all the other Western European countries. Again I found myself in disbelief. As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.

Blacks

I think it is is fitting to start off with the group I have the most real life experience with, and the group that is the biggest problem for Americans.

Niggers are stupid and violent. At the same time they have the capacity to be very slick. Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race. The other reason is the Jewish agitation of the black race.

Black people are racially aware almost from birth, but White people on average dont think about race in their daily lives. And this is our problem. We need to and have to.

Say you were to witness a dog being beat by a man. You are almost surely going to feel very sorry for that dog. But then say you were to witness a dog biting a man. You will most likely not feel the same pity you felt for the dog for the man. Why? Because dogs are lower than men.

This same analogy applies to black and White relations. Even today, blacks are subconsciously viewed by White people are lower beings. They are held to a lower standard in general. This is why they are able to get away with things like obnoxious behavior in public. Because it is expected of them.

Modern history classes instill a subconscious White superiority complex in Whites and an inferiority complex in blacks. This White superiority complex that comes from learning of how we dominated other peoples is also part of the problem I have just mentioned. But of course I dont deny that we are in fact superior.

I wish with a passion that niggers were treated terribly throughout history by Whites, that every White person had an ancestor who owned slaves, that segregation was an evil an oppressive institution, and so on. Because if it was all it true, it would make it so much easier for me to accept our current situation. But it isnt true. None of it is. We are told to accept what is happening to us because of ancestors wrong doing, but it is all based on historical lies, exaggerations and myths. I have tried endlessly to think of reasons we deserve this, and I have only came back more irritated because there are no reasons.

Only a fourth to a third of people in the South owned even one slave. Yet every White person is treated as if they had a slave owning ancestor. This applies to in the states where slavery never existed, as well as people whose families immigrated after slavery was abolished. I have read hundreds of slaves narratives from my state. And almost all of them were positive. One sticks out in my mind where an old ex-slave recounted how the day his mistress died was one of the saddest days of his life. And in many of these narratives the slaves told of how their masters didnt even allowing whipping on his plantation.

Segregation was not a bad thing. It was a defensive measure. Segregation did not exist to hold back negroes. It existed to protect us from them. And I mean that in multiple ways. Not only did it protect us from having to interact with them, and from being physically harmed by them, but it protected us from being brought down to their level. Integration has done nothing but bring Whites down to level of brute animals. The best example of this is obviously our school system.

Now White parents are forced to move to the suburbs to send their children to “good schools”. But what constitutes a “good school”? The fact is that how good a school is considered directly corresponds to how White it is. I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Running because they are too weak, scared, and brainwashed to fight. Why should we have to flee the cities we created for the security of the suburbs? Why are the suburbs secure in the first place? Because they are White. The pathetic part is that these White people dont even admit to themselves why they are moving. They tell themselves it is for better schools or simply to live in a nicer neighborhood. But it is honestly just a way to escape niggers and other minorities.

But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a “white boy”? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes? No one, but someone has to.

Here I would also like to touch on the idea of a Norhtwest Front. I think this idea is beyond stupid. Why should I for example, give up the beauty and history of my state to go to the Norhthwest? To me the whole idea just parralells the concept of White people running to the suburbs. The whole idea is pathetic and just another way to run from the problem without facing it.

Some people feel as though the South is beyond saving, that we have too many blacks here. To this I say look at history. The South had a higher ratio of blacks when we were holding them as slaves. Look at South Africa, and how such a small minority held the black in apartheid for years and years. Speaking of South Africa, if anyone thinks that think will eventually just change for the better, consider how in South Africa they have affirmative action for the black population that makes up 80 percent of the population.

It is far from being too late for America or Europe. I believe that even if we made up only 30 percent of the population we could take it back completely. But by no means should we wait any longer to take drastic action.

Anyone who thinks that White and black people look as different as we do on the outside, but are somehow magically the same on the inside, is delusional. How could our faces, skin, hair, and body structure all be different, but our brains be exactly the same? This is the nonsense we are led to believe.

Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals. These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior. If a scientist publishes a paper on the differences between the races in Western Europe or Americans, he can expect to lose his job. There are personality traits within human families, and within different breeds of cats or dogs, so why not within the races?

A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same.

In a modern history class it is always emphasized that, when talking about “bad” things Whites have done in history, they were White. But when we lern about the numerous, almost countless wonderful things Whites have done, it is never pointed out that these people were White. Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first nigger smart enough to open a peanut.

On another subject I want to say this. Many White people feel as though they dont have a unique culture. The reason for this is that White culture is world culture. I dont mean that our culture is made up of other cultures, I mean that our culture has been adopted by everyone in the world. This makes us feel as though our culture isnt special or unique. Say for example that every business man in the world wore a kimono, that every skyscraper was in the shape of a pagoda, that every door was a sliding one, and that everyone ate every meal with chopsticks. This would probably make a Japanese man feel as though he had no unique traditional culture.

I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop.

Jews

Unlike many White naitonalists, I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities. Just like niggers, most jews are always thinking about the fact that they are jewish. The other issue is that they network. If we could somehow turn every jew blue for 24 hours, I think there would be a mass awakening, because people would be able to see plainly what is going on.

I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.

Hispanics

Hispanics are obviously a huge problem for Americans. But there are good hispanics and bad hispanics. I remember while watching hispanic television stations, the shows and even the commercials were more White than our own. They have respect for White beauty, and a good portion of hispanics are White. It is a well known fact that White hispanics make up the elite of most hispanics countries. There is good White blood worht saving in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and even Brasil.

But they are still our enemies.

East Asians

I have great respent for the East Asian races. Even if we were to go extinct they could carry something on. They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race. I am not opposed at all to allies with the Northeast Asian races.

Patriotism

I hate the sight of the American flag. Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke. People pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets. Many veterans believe we owe them something for “protecting our way of life” or “protecting our freedom”. But im not sure what way of life they are talking about. How about we protect the White race and stop fighting for the jews. I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940's American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion. So I dont blame the veterans of any wars up until after Vietnam, because at least they had an American to be proud of and fight for.

An Explanation

To take a saying from a film, “I see all this stuff going on, and I dont see anyone doing anything about it. And it pisses me off.”. To take a saying from my favorite film, “Even if my life is worth less than a speck of dirt, I want to use it for the good of society.”.

I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already.

Please forgive any typos, I didnt have time to check it.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/dylann-roof-manifesto-full-text


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sooz06 wrote:
I just do not [and likely will never] understand this knee-jerk hatred of everything/anything "different" ... and the accompanying [false] sense of superiority ~ :g ~ Sooz


As I've said before, I see it as a natural, very primitive human behavior.

But it is fueled by others. As this SPLC article says, 'Roof left a 2,000-word manifesto in which he identifies himself as a white nationalist and says he was “truly awakened” to his beliefs after reading the online propaganda of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a notorious, racist hate group.'


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