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PostPosted: 10/01/15 12:40 pm • # 26 
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John59 wrote:
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After CNBC’s John Harwood asked Jeb Bush why the economy has seen more growth under Democratic administrations over the last 35 years than under Republicans, Jeb gave a muddled answer and then pivoted to attacking Obama for being hostile to capitalism.

HARWOOD: You really think Obama’s hostile to capitalism? Trans-Pacific Partnership—he’s moving forward. South Korea, Colombia, he finished those agreements that your brother had moved down the line.

BUSH: I definitely do. I think he has a deep-seated belief that through government programs and through government regulation, you can improve the social condition.


Hello? So thinking government can improve the social condition makes you hostile to capitalism? Were Republican presidents Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt hostile to capitalism? If they – along with Democratic presidents like Franklin D. Roosevelt -- hadn’t improved the social condition, American capitalism might not have even survived.

I never thought it possible but I’m beginning to believe Jeb is dumber than his brother.

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you nailed it here, John. there was a time when RESPONSIBLE CAPITALISM was how we at least PRETENDED to do things.

no pretense any more. and we are the lesser for it.


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From my Facebook feed ~ kinda/sorta says it ALL ~ :g ~ Sooz

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The brutal attack on Sikh American Inderjit Singh Mukker, 53, in a Chicago suburb a few weeks ago isn’t an isolated incident. In New York City, hate crimes have surged 9 percent this year, according to New York Police Department data. Anti-Muslim crime rose from 2 incidents last year to 7 so far this year. Other cities report similar surges. Can anyone doubt that when a candidate for the Republican nomination for president of the United States says Muslims are unfit for that office, and another fails to criticize anti-Muslim hate speech, they fuel such crimes? The Islamophobia now marking the Republican race – along with the anti-Mexican, homophobic, and misogynist rhetoric -- is not without consequence. It legitimizes bigotry. And that legitimation is the gateway to violence.

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PostPosted: 10/04/15 7:39 am • # 28 
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From my Facebook feed ~ daaammmmnnnnn, I love the way this man's mind works! ~ Sooz

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Thank you, Iowa City. Almost 800 of you came to the Englert Theater last night to hear my talk, and many of you whose books I signed told me you were Republicans and conservatives and you agreed with what I said.

The only way we can wrest back control of our economy and our democracy from the moneyed interests is if we join together. And the only way we join together is if we reject their tactic of divide, distract, and control. They want to split us by race, religion, gender, and ethnicity. But we must not let them.

They want us to believe the choice is the “free market” or government, when in fact it’s one system because government sets the rules of the market. And the real choice is between a system that works for the many or the few.

They want us to think people are paid what they’re “worth,” when in fact people are paid according to how the moneyed interests have organized the market -- to their benefit and against most of the rest of us.

They don’t want us to see the upward pre-distributions hidden inside the market that give them a big chunk of our paychecks, as we pay more than we should for everything from drugs to Internet service to food.

They don’t want us to know how much their pollution is sickening us, their devastation of our lands is imperiling us, their sacking of our communities is ruining us, and their takeover of our democracy is robbing us of our capacity to set things right.

But if we understand all this we have a chance to take it all back, because we are the vast majority.

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PostPosted: 10/09/15 4:13 pm • # 29 
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From my Facebook feed ~ this wins "best question" of the day with "The public good by not cooperating with Democrats?" ~ :eyes ~ Sooz

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To be elected Speaker of the House, a member of Congress must get 218 votes from his or her fellow members. Kevin McCarthy could not get to 218 because 30 to 40 fanatical Tea Partiers opposed him. Hence, the current chaos. Given the civil war in the Republican Party between Tea Partiers, libertarians, and big-business Republicans, it’s unlikely anyone can muster 218 votes – unless, that is, they reach out to some Democrats. Such an act would put the public good over partisan politics -- highly unlikely in this hyper-partisan era.

In this regard, you might find interesting the following quote from the lead editorial in today’s Wall Street Journal:

“To obtain the gavel [McCarthy] probably would have needed Democrats, effectively elevating Nancy Pelosi to co-Speaker. That would mean major concessions to the liberal agenda, and Mr. McCarthy chose the public good over personal ambition.”

The public good by not cooperating with Democrats? The Journal’s editorial page thereby reveals how much it has become part of America’s problem.

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From my Facebook feed ~ while some obviously will, I don't know how anyone can argue with "We must do everything possible to reclaim our democracy." ~ :ey ~ Sooz

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According to a New York Times investigation reported this morning, just 358 families and the businesses they control have contributed over half the money to the 2016 presidential election so far – mostly to Republicans who have pledged to pare regulations; cut taxes on income, capital gains and inheritances; and shrink Social Security and Medicare.

On the other hand, two-thirds of Americans support higher taxes on those earning $1 million or more a year, according to a June New York Times/CBS News poll, and six in 10 favor more government intervention to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor. And according to the Pew Research Center, nearly seven in 10 favor preserving Social Security and Medicare benefits as they are.

To an extent we haven’t seen since the Gilded Age of the 1890s, the upcoming election is between a tiny group of super-rich and the rest of us. We must do everything possible to reclaim our democracy.

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To an extent we haven’t seen since the Gilded Age of the 1890s, the upcoming election is between a tiny group of super-rich and their huge masses of water carriers brain-washed by Fox and friends, and the rest of us.

There, fixed it for Robert.


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PostPosted: 10/11/15 5:11 pm • # 32 
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From my Facebook feed ~ as I've come to expect, Robert Reich nails this short commentary ~ :st ~ emphasis/bolding below is mine ~ Sooz

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The gap between the Republican establishment and its increasingly anti-establishment base continues to widen. Jeb Bush remains the GOP establishment's favorite. About half of the roughly $120 million raised to help him win the Republican presidential nomination comes from donors who previously gave to his brother or father, both former presidents, according to a new analysis of Federal Election Commission records by Crowdpac.com, a nonpartisan political research company.

But Bush has become among the most unpopular Republican candidate among Republican voters, according to a new CBS News poll released today. He has the lowest favorability ratings (38 percent of Republican voters hold an unfavorable view of him and only 32 percent have a favorable view), and only 10 percent identify him as the candidate most likely to win next November.

It’s fashionable among Washington pundits to claim both parties are becoming more extreme, as voters abandon the moderate middle. But I think the real story is voters are abandoning the prevailing ruling class and moving toward populism – either authoritarian populism (Trump and Carson) or reform populism (Sanders).

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PostPosted: 10/11/15 7:15 pm • # 33 
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From Robert Reich on Facebook;


Quote of the day:

On this morning's “Meet the Press:”

Host CHUCK TODD, interviewing Bernie Sanders: "You know, you’ve always been hesitant to contrast yourself with Secretary Clinton. But you have, you make certain subtle differences by saying on some of these issues, where she now agrees with you, you welcome her over and you emphasize you’ve had these positions for a long time. Why should that matter? Why should that matter to a voter that you’ve held this position for a much longer say on TPP–"

BERNIE SANDERS: "Good question."

TODD: "–than Secretary Clinton?"

SANDERS: "Yeah, okay. I’ll tell you why it should matter. And let me be very clear. I mean, I happen to respect and like Hillary Clinton, so I don’t get into personal attacks, you know that. But are there differences of opinion that should be discussed? Of course, there are. That’s what that election is about. To answer your question, what it’s about is at a time when so few have so much and when the big money interests have so much political power, the real most important question is, who is prepared to mobilize the American people to stand up to these very powerful and wealthy special interests? Whose track record for the last 25 years has been to say to Wall Street, “You know what? We are going to have to break up the large financial institution.”

TODD: "Well, that’s a trust issue. You’re basically saying, “You know what? I’ve been there so you can trust that I’ll never leave that fight.” With somebody else who gets there late, you think it’s perhaps a trust issue."

SANDERS: "No, I mean, Keystone Pipeline, all right? I believe that climate change is the great global crisis that we face, environmental crisis. From day one, I opposed the Keystone Pipeline because I believe that if you’re serious about climate change, you don’t encourage the excavation and transportation of very dirty oil. That was my view from day one. TPP. I believe that our trade policies going way back when. I voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, PNT, all with China. I think they have been a disaster for the American worker. A lot of corporations that shut down here move abroad. So people will have to contrast my consistency and my willingness to stand up to Wall Street and corporations, big corporations, with the Secretary."

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PostPosted: 10/15/15 3:38 pm • # 34 
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From my Facebook feed ~ for me, the BEST comment is "... Trump’s brainless bullying demeans our democracy ..." ~ Sooz

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Last night at a campaign stop in Virginia, Donald Trump launched his first attack on Bernie Sanders. Commenting on Hillary Clinton’s debate performance, Trump said “the poor woman, she's got to give everything away because this maniac that was standing on her right is giving everything away. This socialist-slash-communist — OK? Nobody wants to say it." Meanwhile, Trump's campaign posted a video on Instagram that opens with a narrator saying the world is a "dangerous place. We need a tough, strong leader.” The video then cuts to Bernie at the campaign rally earlier year where Black Lives Matter activists took the stage. The narrator continues: "And it's not this guy!” Then, as circus-style music plays, the text on screen reads: "Bernie can't even defend his microphone. How will he defend the country?"

I suppose Bernie ought to be honored that he’s become one of Donald Trump’s punching bags. It’s a sign Bernie’s campaign has become a real threat. But I continue to be appalled at how Trump’s brainless bullying demeans our democracy, as if a jackass were let loose in the Capitol building. Trump continues to say he’s only a “counter-puncher,” attacking others only after they attack him. Baloney. Bernie hasn’t attacked Trump. To the contrary, Bernie continues to dignify the political process – as he did Tuesday night when he called the media’s focus on Hillary’s emails a “distraction.” Today, in response to the Donald’s attack, Bernie told NBC News that if Trump were the Republican nominee, "I very, very much look forward to running against him."

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The lack of substance in Trump's campaign will eventually be his downfall. It seems like people often like angry emotional mean people but when it comes to voting they look for more substance. He's not even spouting the party line. He'll fade away.


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I'm counting on that too, queenie ~ but I've learned to never say never ~ :g

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Even though the public faces of the party are a bunch of nuts, the core of the party are still old white men who will not allow the world to see a candidate for president like Trump. The Republican war machine cannot have him leading them in foreign policy. They would be too embarrassed.


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From my Facebook feed ~ Bernie pushing the word "socialist" concerns me too ~ I'm thinking Bernie is giving too much credit to the voting public to hear/read/understand what he's identifying as the core of his belief set ~ FTR, I recognize and support the difference ~ the closest analogy I can think of is GOP/TPer passionate hatred for anything with the "ObamaCare" label but just as passionate love for the "ACA" ~ :ey ~ Sooz

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Does it help Bernie Sanders's campaign for him to describe himself as a "democratic socialist"? I've been urging him and his campaign staff to focus on the issues -- Medicare for all, Glass-Steagall, busting up the big banks, raising taxes on the rich, free public higher education, and so on -- rather than the "democratic socialist" label, because I worry that the label will scare off people who agree with Bernie on the issues. But Bernie is very keen on setting out his version of "democratic socialism" and talking about it every opportunity he has, notwithstanding. Maybe he's right.

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He's not going to be President, no matter what he calls himself. It's an honorable thing to say what you think, but it's a bad idea always say everything you think.


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Is Sanders truly pushing the phrase "democratic socialism"?

From what I see, he doesn't tend to bring it up but is always asked about it. Perhaps I've not seen speeches where he talks about it.

I think that since the media constantly mentions it, he needs to discuss it. Otherwise it becomes something that it seems he is trying to avoid.

It's the media that is the problem. Consider the following;

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What came in between, which MSNBC and others cut out, was Sanders saying to CNN‘s Anderson Cooper:

Anderson…let me say something about the media, as well. I go around the country, talk to a whole lot of people. Middle class in this country is collapsing. We have 27 million people living in poverty. We have massive wealth and income inequality. Our trade policies have cost us millions of decent jobs. The American people want to know whether we’re going to have a democracy or an oligarchy as a result of Citizens United. Enough of the emails….

Sanders, in other words, wasn’t just criticizing Republicans, he was also criticizing media that prioritize sensationalism over basic economic realities.

http://fair.org/home/sanders-goes-after-medias-most-sacred-cow/


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grampatom wrote:
He's not going to be President, no matter what he calls himself. It's an honorable thing to say what you think, but it's a bad idea always say everything you think.


The problem isn't Sanders, the problem is a media that allows candidates to say the most outrageous things and acts like it's just a difference of opinion, another side in a debate.

So Trump can say "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive" and Carson can say "I'll tell you what I think about climate change. The temperature's either going up or down at any point in time, so it really is not a big deal" and they can lead in the polls.


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John59 wrote:
grampatom wrote:
He's not going to be President, no matter what he calls himself. It's an honorable thing to say what you think, but it's a bad idea always say everything you think.


The problem isn't Sanders, the problem is a media that allows candidates to say the most outrageous things and acts like it's just a difference of opinion, another side in a debate.

So Trump can say "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive" and Carson can say "I'll tell you what I think about climate change. The temperature's either going up or down at any point in time, so it really is not a big deal" and they can lead in the polls.


These are good examples of what a bad idea it is to say everything you think, esp. Trump's example. Now Trump is actually fairly intelligent, I think, so I really don't think that's what he really thinks, since it is so stupid. Carson is smart too, but he's simple. The less he says, the better. I suppose there is a constituency of simple people who believe them both, but not large enough to win the Presidency. Simple mindedness is surely an advantage in the Repub primary this year, though.


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Food for thought from my Facebook Feed ~ Sooz

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The average length of an economic expansion since World War II has been five years. The one that began in 2009 is now six years old, and it's showing signs of slowing. The odds of a recession in the next year are rising fast. But here's the most important thing: Most Americans haven't felt they've been in a recovery, because they haven't received any of the economic gains -- all of which have gone to the top 1 percent. This is the first recovery since World War II in which the median household is worse off than it was at the start. And the reason this recovery has been so anemic is the middle class and the poor have got so little of its benefits that they haven't had enough purchasing power to give it much strength. In other words, widening inequality has put us in a vicious cycle of anemic recoveries that don't reach most Americans. This is not sustainable -- neither economically or politically. It is fueling populist politics -- both right-wing authoritarian populism (Trump) and reformist populism (Sanders).

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PostPosted: 10/24/15 7:35 am • # 44 
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From my Facebook feed ~ and added to all his personal flaws, Paul Ryan will be beholden to the "Freedom Caucus" ~ :tearhair ~ Sooz

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I keep reading in the mainstream media that Paul Ryan – the heir apparent to John Boehner as Speaker of the House – is a “moderate” Republican, an “intellectual,” and a “policy wonk” who is “driven by data.” Baloney.

Ryan is no moderate. His budget plans over the last several years slash funding for public education, roads, Medicare (which he wants to turn into “vouchers” that don’t keep up with inflation) and Medicaid (which he wants to bloc-grant to the states). In 2013, he favored $20 billion in cuts that would throw an estimated two million children, elderly, and disabled Americans off food stamps.

And he’s no policy wonk, driven by data. Last year, Ryan released a 205-page report on the history of anti-poverty programs purporting to show they had failed. According to the highly-regarded Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the report was "replete with misleading and selective presentations of data and research, which it uses to portray the safety net in a negative light. It also omits key research and data that point in more positive directions."

Make no mistake: Paul Ryan is a right-wing fanatic intent on shredding what’s left of our safety nets, cutting taxes on the wealthy even more than they have been, and allowing big corporations to do whatever they want. As Speaker of the House, he will make John Boehner look like a Leftie.

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I’ve been imagining who might come to our door tonight on Halloween, and what treat they’ll want.

Donald Trump will come by disguised as a Mexican, wanting an anchor baby.

Carly Fiorina will come disguised as a CEO, wanting my job and 29,000 others.

Jeb Bush will come disguised as his brother, and want us not to notice.

Ben Carson will come disguised as mild-mannered doctor, and want every woman in America to hand over her rights over her own body.

Marco Rubio will come disguised as a Senator who takes his job seriously, wanting us to believe he’ll take the presidency seriously.

Chris Christie will be disguised as the George Washington Bridge, asking that we pretend he's not.

Other Republican candidates will come disguised as their big donors, asking that we not see them.

Hillary Clinton will come as herself, and want us to believe whatever she says.

Bernie Sanders will come disguised as Bernie Sanders, and give us candy.

The Koch brothers will come disguised as Republican politicians, and take all our candy.

Who will appear at your house, in what disguise, and wanting what treat?

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Just saw that Robert Reich message on my Facebook feed, John ~ I laughed at his wonderful sense of the absurd ~

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From my Facebook feed ~ I still have NOT decided on a candidate ... both Hillary and Bernie have strong points and points that deeply concern me ~ but I see the Ds/libs/progressives as lucky to not be having to choose between which unqualified idiot will do less harm ~ :ey ~ the only thing I can guarantee is that I will be voting Dem in 2016, up and down the ticket ~ Sooz

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Last night with two friends over dinner:

Fred: I trust Bernie. He hasn’t waivered on these issues in forty years. Hillary is all over the place. And she’s taking money from billionaires and big banks.

Linda: But Bernie can’t be elected president. Americans will never elect a 74-year-old Jewish socialist. Hillary can be elected. And we can’t risk this election. If any of these Republicans is elected we’re all f*cked.

Fred: Bernie can be elected. Polls don’t measure enthusiasm. And it’s enthusiasm that gets people to the voting booths -- and is turning Bernie’s candidacy into a national movement to take back our economy and reclaim our democracy.

Linda: Movement shmovement. “Occupy” was supposed to be a movement, too. Your movements are bullshit. Politics is about discipline and organization. That’s Hillary.

Fred: People don’t trust Hillary. They don’t like her. They won’t vote for her.

Linda: They will if her opponent is Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, or any of the other right-wing fanatics Republicans nominate.

Fred: What good will it do to elect a president whose principles shift like a weathervane?

Linda: What good will it do to have a nominee who can’t get elected?

What’s your view? Who won this argument?


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What’s your view? Who won this argument?

Neither of them. Given the state of American politics, in a showdown between Bernie and even Carson or Trump the outcome would be a toss-up with the odds probably leaning toward the Republican. Crazy trumps socialist every time. Remember, you are putting you're faith in an electorate that re-elected George Jr. in 2004.


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Just a little history from the democratic primary of 2008. No black man named Barack Hussein Obama could ever get elected president. Hillary Clinton has the Democratic primary wrapped. She has the party machine behind her and the women's vote. Said everyone eight short years ago...


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queenoftheuniverse wrote:
Just a little history from the democratic primary of 2008. No black man named Barack Hussein Obama could ever get elected president. Hillary Clinton has the Democratic primary wrapped. She has the party machine behind her and the women's vote. Said everyone eight short years ago...


Good point, Queen.

And didn't many think it would be a piece of cake for Romney because the economy was bad?


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