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PostPosted: 01/24/18 3:18 pm • # 326 
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Given the thousands of lawsuits in which Trump has been involved over the last three decades, he may be one of the country’s most experienced litigants.


How many times has Trump actually been grilled by experienced interrogators?
Probable almost never. There's always been a mouthpiece involved.


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The DiC's "legal team" must be stuck in living nightmares of him testifying under oath ... and/or of the optics of him refusing to testify under oath ~ :eek ~ Sooz

Trump lawyers try to clean up president’s clumsy under-oath vow
01/25/18 08:00 AM
By Steve Benen

[Video, The Rachel Maddow Show, 1/24/18, 9:00 PM ET, "Trump lawyers quick to walk back Trump bluster on meeting Mueller", accessible via the end link.]

The evolution of Donald Trump’s position on answering questions under oath in the Russia investigation has been amazing to watch. It started in earnest in June, when the president said he was “100 percent” willing to do so.

Earlier this month, however, his posture shifted. Asked a few weeks ago if he’s still willing to answer questions under oath, Trump hedged. Soon after, facing a similar question, the president delivered a long, meandering, and not-altogether-coherent answer, which concluded that it “seems unlikely” he’d answer the special counsel’s questions.

Last night, in an impromptu Q&A with reporters, he switched back to his original position.

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President Donald Trump said Wednesday he is willing to speak “under oath” to special counsel Robert Mueller as part of the federal investigation into Russian election meddling as well as potential collusion with Trump’s campaign.

“I’m looking forward to it, actually,” Trump told reporters when asked if he would talk to Mueller. “I would love to do that. I’d like to do it as soon as possible.”

After asking some weird questions about Hillary Clinton – his preoccupation with her really is a little creepy – Trump added that he’s “absolutely” prepared to answer questions under oath. Despite saying two weeks ago that Special Counsel Robert Mueller probably wouldn’t want to talk to him, the president conceded last night that his conversation with Mueller may come within the next two to three weeks.

But then Trump hinted at some wiggle room: “You know, again, it’s – I have to say – subject to my lawyers and all of that — but I would love to do it.”

And it was soon after that the president’s lawyers weighed in on the subject.

“Ty Cobb, the White House lawyer leading the response to the investigation, said Mr. Trump was speaking hurriedly and intended only to say that he was willing to meet,” the New York Times reported.

As Rachel explained on last night’s show, the terms of the presidential interview have been the subject of ongoing negotiations – and Trump may have stepped on those talks by blurting out a series of thoughts that popped into his head. It meant his defense team had to scramble to make clear that the president’s words shouldn’t necessarily be taken at face value.

After all, he was speaking hurriedly.

The rationale behind the lawyer’s anxiety isn’t exactly a mystery: the president has an unfortunate reflex for dishonesty, to the point that he lies when he doesn’t have to. If he’s under oath and fielding questions from the special counsel’s team, it’s hard to predict whether – or how many times – he’ll stumble into perjury.

Nevertheless, for those keeping score, Trump is (1) willing to answer questions under oath; (2) not sure if he’ll answer questions under oath; (3) expecting not to be asked questions under oath; (4) “absolutely” “looking forward to” answering questions under oath; and (5) still negotiating whether he’ll answer questions under oath.

Trump World is quite a fine-tuned machine.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-lawyers-try-clean-presidents-clumsy-under-oath-vow


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PostPosted: 01/29/18 10:32 am • # 328 
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The WH and the DiC's "legal team" have to be losing their minds, especially given the key lines below: ""Trump doesn't deal in reality, ... He creates his own reality and he actually believes it." ~ :eek ~ the WaPo "juicy story" live-linked below is worth the read ~ Sooz

Jonathan Swan 17 hours ago
White House perjury panic

I can't overstate the level of anxiety among sources close to Trump after the president told the NYT's Maggie Haberman last week he was willing and eager to submit himself to a live interview under oath with Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

What I'm hearing: One source, who knows Trump as well as anyone, told me he believes the president would be incapable of avoiding perjuring himself. "Trump doesn't deal in reality," the source said. "He creates his own reality and he actually believes it." (The president's attorney, Ty Cobb, did not respond to a request for comment.)

A number of people in the president's orbit have read this article by Bloomberg's Timothy O'Brien: "I've Watched Trump Testify Under Oath. It Isn't Pretty."

In the article, O'Brien writes:

* "Speaking from experience, I think the president's attorneys should grab their worry beads. Trump sued me for libel in 2006 for a biography I wrote, "TrumpNation,' alleging that the book misrepresented his business record and understated his wealth. Trump lost the suit in 2011, but during the litigation my lawyers deposed him under oath for two days in 2007.

* "Trump ultimately had to admit 30 times that he had lied over the years about all sorts of stuff: how much of a big Manhattan real estate project he owned; the price of one of his golf club memberships; the size of the Trump Organization; his wealth; his speaking fees; how many condos he had sold; his debts, and whether he borrowed money from his family to avoid going personally bankrupt.

* "He also lied during the deposition about his business dealings with career criminals."

Be smart: Trump's lawyers are already signaling they are deeply uncomfortable about the prospect of a live, freewheeling session between Trump and Mueller. Shortly after Trump made his brash declaration, Trump's attorney John Dowd told CNN: "I will make the decision on whether the President talks to the special counsel... I have not made any decision yet."

Worthy of your time: The Washington Post has a juicy story on how Trump — who is obsessed with personal loyalty — remains perilously at odds with his own Justice Department.

https://www.axios.com/trump-white-house-worry-about-talking-to-mueller-93acd452-a053-47bd-87fd-7deb8c9c6883.html


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PostPosted: 01/30/18 9:54 am • # 329 
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A helpful primer ~ some "live links" in the original ~ Sooz

Mike Allen 3 hours ago
10 undisputed facts behind the Russia probe

Forget the memo. Fundamentally, President Trump and big chunks of conservative media are arguing that the Russia investigation is unwarranted, tainted and malicious — that the special counsel shouldn't exist.

Why it matters: Take the known knowns — 10 undisputed facts — and the smoke clears considerably.

1. At the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, the Trump campaign, chaired by Paul Manafort (since indicted), worked behind the scenes to weaken the party platform's anti-Russia stance on Ukraine.

2. "Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting."

3. Top Trump campaign officials met at Trump Tower with sketchy Russians who had offered dirt on Hillary Clinton.

4. On Air Force One, Trump helped his son, Don Jr., prepare a misleading statement about the meeting.

5. Trump, contradicting what his staff had said earlier, told NBC he fired FBI Director James Comey because of "this Russia thing."

6. Michael Flynn, later Trump's first national security adviser, talked privately about sanctions with the Russian ambassador during the transition, then denied it to Vice President Pence.

7. Flynn (who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI) failed to disclose payments from Russia-linked entities. Trump has repeatedly defended Flynn.

8. During the transition, Jared Kushner spoke with the Russian ambassador "about establishing a secret communications channel between the Trump transition team and Moscow."

9. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, then a U.S. senator, spoke twice to the Russian ambassador, then didn't disclose the contacts during his confirmation hearing.

10. When Bob Mueller was named special counsel, Republicans widely praised him.

Be smart: No sane person looking at those known knowns would say this is a crazy investigation.

The big picture: Yes, FBI agents have probably said things in texts they shouldn't have. Yes, former FBI Director James Comey was clumsy in his comments about Hillary Clinton. But none of that changes what this investigation is really about.

https://www.axios.com/10-undisputed-facts-behind-russia-probe-trump-977b4986-9580-429b-b8c6-a0f22f5eee9d.html


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2. "Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting."


Chelsea Manning recently spent 7 years behind bars for doing the same thing.


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Another "MUST READ" clarifying commentary ~ :st ~ emphasis/bolding below is mine, and "live links" in the original ~ Sooz

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A Very Bad Week for a Lawless President
By Josh Marshall | January 29, 2018 11:16 am

Last week was a tremendously consequential week in the Trump/Russia investigation. This was so not simply because of the number of revelations but because each new revelation layered upon the previous one to confirm one overriding, consequential reality: a pattern and practice of obstruction of justice and abuse of office that didn’t end with the firing of James Comey on May 9 but continued right down to the present day, touching almost everyone in President Trump’s inner circle and beyond.

The key revelation was Mueller’s investigators’ interview with Attorney General Jeff Sessions – particularly their focus on Trump’s bullying of the AG in order to push him to resign and their interest in whether this was part of a pattern of conduct connected to Trump’s bullying and subsequent firing of James Comey. This was a major new clue about the nature and scope of the investigation. It was the first concrete evidence that the obstruction portion of the Mueller probe wasn’t limited to Comey’s firing and events which preceded it but continued unabated into Mueller’s tenure.

The Sessions news was followed by reports of interviews with other key administration officials. We learned that FBI Director Christopher Wray had threatened to resign over pressure to purge top FBI officials the White House viewed as Comey partisans. The pressure came from the President, the White House Counsel and most directly from the Attorney General himself. This was followed at the end of the week by the news that President Trump had already once tried to fire the Special Counsel, only weeks after his appointment and little more than a month after he fired the FBI Director. Here the player threatening to resign was the White House Counsel, Don McGahn, though that purported confrontation may be less clear cut than first advertised.

That was followed by this article which appeared late on Friday in Foreign Policy. It is not an easy article to wrestle to ground. But the central claim is, if accurate, a key one. We know from months of news and the revelations noted above that President Trump has been adamant that Director Wray ‘clean house’ at the FBI. According to author Murray Waas, this was not simply to cleanse the Bureau of Comey’s influence. It was an effort to discredit top FBI officials who might become witnesses against President Trump because they had contemporaneous knowledge (via Comey) of his effort to derail the Russia probe. This moves the effort from a general demand to install loyalists to a specific effort to undermine and obstruct Mueller’s investigation.

Before last week we knew that one part of Mueller’s probe focused on obstruction of justice. But it seemed that the focus was on events which predated his appointment on May 17th. It now appears clear that Mueller is investigating Trump’s effort to impede and obstruct his investigation itself, a pattern of obstruction that continued at least down to the early weeks of January 2018. None of this is surprising in itself. Much of it has happened in the open, in plain sight. But Mueller has access to far more information than we do. He clearly believes these various actions are not just impulsive and inappropriate but may be part of a continuing pattern of illegal behavior. Indeed, as I argued here, it’s hard to see this pattern of conduct is clearly distinguishable from the efforts of Trump allies to manufacture nonsensical conspiracy theories for the similar purpose of blocking Mueller’s probe.

If we step back and look at the entire first year of Trump’s presidency, the clarity and consistency of Trump’s effort to use all the powers of the presidency to obstruct the Russia probe is remarkable. We start with demanding loyalty from the FBI director; next, he’s asking the Director to drop a key part of the probe; next he’s firing the Director; next he’s ordering the firing of the Special Counsel, the man who replaced the Director as the head of the probe; next he’s trying to bully the Attorney General into resigning so he can replace him with a loyalist who could reclaim control of the probe; intermixed with this he is demanding a purge of the men he believes are loyal to the FBI Director he fired to end the Russia probe; now we learn the President wanted them fired because they could testify against him.

When you piece the entire drama and storyline together it is remarkable for its consistency and creativity, prodding and poking and exploring every angle to use the presidency to protect himself and his associates and bosses from exposure and criminal jeopardy. Occasionally, his finger gets burned and he snaps back. But never for long. He’s back in days with a new angle.

One way to look at this is that the President not only sought to obstruct Comey’s investigation. He tried to obstruct the investigation when it continued under Mueller. That’s sure to inflame a career prosecutor who has been trained and acculturated to see obstruction as an attack on the law enforcement process itself. But a better way to look at it may be to see that Trump treated Mueller to six-plus months of what we might call obstruction of justice performance art, right in front of his face, that he could surveil, record and investigate in real time.

Trump is a lawless President. He has a moral disability which makes it extremely difficult for him to follow the law. His aides and staffers have been caught in a pitiful drama of alternatively trying to save him from himself and becoming complicit in his wrongdoing. Robert Mueller really does seem like his worst nightmare. Whether he knows it or not.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-very-bad-week-for-a-lawless-president


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And yet the alternative, Pence, could even be worse.


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S-U-R-P-R-I-S-E-!

Trump's lawyers argue Mueller has not met threshold for presidential interview

More-> http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/politics/ ... index.html?


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2. "Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting."


Chelsea Manning recently spent 7 years behind bars for doing the same thing.

The difference is that the President can legally do so.


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An important perspective from Josh Marshall ~ emphasis/bolding below is mine ~ Sooz

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Trump To Plead the De Facto 5th
By Josh Marshall | February 5, 2018 9:08 pm

The Times is reporting that the President’s personal lawyers are recommending that he refuse to be interviewed or questioned by Robert Mueller’s investigators under any circumstances. Let’s be candid about what this means. The President is pleading the 5th while trying to avoid saying that’s what he’s doing. Let’s call it the de facto 5th. The constitutional law is clear cut. It’s not at all hypothetical. A sitting President has no blanket right to refuse to cooperate with a criminal investigation. Different dimensions of this question were litigated under Presidents Nixon and Clinton. The Courts were clear each time. The President has to comply with the law and with criminal investigations just like everyone else, though there may be certain areas of privilege. Presidents have been interviewed by special prosecutors, special counsels and independent counsels in numerous cases. The President is obviously guilty of obstruction of justice. He’s likely guilty of criminal conspiracy with a foreign power, though what if any statutes this would implicate is not clear to me. It makes perfect sense to refuse to talk. Perps do that all the time. It’s their right.

There are two notable points in the Times write-up of the story.

First, the President’s lawyers’ argument appears to be that the President is innocent of any crimes but that he is also a pathological liar. That could leave him vulnerable to a perjury charge. This isn’t my gloss. According to the Times, that’s their argument: “His lawyers are concerned that the president, who has a history of making false statements and contradicting himself, could be charged with lying to investigators.”

The other notable claim is that Trump’s lawyers and advisors believe that if Trump refuses a voluntary request for an interview, which is his right, Mueller might lack the nerve to subpoena him. “The lawyers and aides believe the special counsel might be unwilling to subpoena the president and set off a showdown with the White House that Mr. Mueller could lose in court.”

I think it’s very possible that Mueller would not indict the President, even if he believes he has clear and convincing evidence that he committed a crime. (While I don’t have entirely settled views on the matter myself, I actually think there are decent prudential, even not narrowly legal, reasons why a sitting President should be impeached before being indicted.) But I have a very hard time believing that if Robert Mueller believes questioning the President is necessary for his investigation that he won’t subpoena him. That seems quite out of character for the man and inconsistent with what we know about the investigation.

Really this shouldn’t surprise us. The President has gone to war with whole sections of the federal government to undermine the criminal probe which appears to be gathering vast evidence of his guilt. It’s total war. We lose track of how many things the President has done just in the last few weeks which were heretofore unimaginable and which all would be credible and robust grounds for removal from office.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-to-plead-the-de-facto-5th


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Dictators don't answer to the courts.


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oskar576 wrote:
And yet the alternative, Pence, could even be worse.


legislatively? sure. he would be a more EFFECTIVE president, and that is both a curse and a blessing. but at this point, i will take predictably awful over unpredictably awful.


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There are times when getting nothing done is the better option, mac.


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the way to ensure nothing gets done is to get Democrats in charge of the House this fall.

otherwise, EITHER Pence or Trump will just rubber stamp all of this horrible party-line crap.


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Russian Lawyer Says Trump Jr. Offered Her a Deal: Hillary Dirt for a Change to U.S. Law
GEOFFREY SMITH

The Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr. during last year’s election campaign says he offered her a clear quid pro quo at the meeting: dirt on Hillary Clinton in exchange for changes to a U.S. law.

In an interview with Bloomberg, Natalia Veselnitskaya gave details for the first time of what passed between her and Trump Jr. in a meeting at Trump Tower in Manhattan on June 9th last year. The meeting was also attended by Paul Manafort (at the time, Donald Trump senior’s campaign manager) and Jared Kushner, the future president’s son-in-law and senior advisor.

Veselnitskaya had engineered the meeting by offering proof that Democratic donors had evaded U.S. taxes. In return, by her own account, she was trying to lobby for changes to the so-called 2012 Magnitsky Law that imposed travel bans and sanctions on Russian officials accused of conspiring in the murder of an accountant, Sergey Magnitsky, who had accused officials of corruption.

“Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it,’’ Trump Jr. said of the 2012 law, Bloomberg cited Veselnitskaya as saying. “I understand our side may have messed up, but it’ll take a long time to get to the bottom of it.”

She also said that Trump Jr. had asked her for written proof of her claim that Ziff Brothers Investments had evaded U.S. taxes while donating heavily to Clinton and other Democratic candidates. As she didn’t have that, the meeting quickly ran into the sand, she said.

Bloomberg said Trump Jr.’s lawyer Alan Futerfas declined to comment.

Veselnitskaya also told Bloomberg that she would be happy to travel to the U.S. to be interviewed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, but only if her answers are made public—a condition the Senate hasn’t agreed to yet. She also said she would be willing to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, if asked.

Her comments add to a growing body of evidence indicating that the Trump campaign was willing to change official U.S. policy to please Russia in return for anything that would help win the election. The Trump camp has routinely denied any allegations of collusion.

Mueller last week ordered the arrest of Manafort and two other former Trump campaign aides in connection with his investigation into alleged collusion between the campaign and Russia. Manafort was charged with multiple counts of money-laundering and failing to register as a foreign agent (mostly pertaining to his work before joining the Trump campaign) working on behalf of Ukraine’s then-President Viktor Yanukovych.

Yanukovych fled to Russia after he was deposed in February 2014.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/06/trump-jr- ... l-clinton/

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ADVANCE WARNING: only read this post if you can control your G-A-G reflex! ~ :tearhair ~ Sooz

LIVEWIRE Russia probe
Page To Hannity: ‘You Have Been The Edward R. Murrow’ Of Russia Probe
By Nicole Lafond | February 27, 2018 8:10 am

Former President Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page compared Fox News host Sean Hannity to the world renowned radio journalist Edward R. Murrow, who gained prominence for his coverage of World War II and helped end the anti-communist persecutions led by former Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-WI) in the 1950s.

During an interview with Hannity on Monday evening, Page thanked the Fox News host for his diligence in getting “to the bottom of things” surrounding the coverage of the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

“I have to thank you because you have been the Edward R. Murrow of this whole process,” Page said. “It’s been so completely out of control going back really a year and a half now. So your and your team, they used to call it the Murrow boys. Your team with Gregg (Jarrett) and Sarah (Carter) and everyone, to dig through and actually get to the bottom of things, I mean there is a lot of people — appreciate that.”

Murrow was one of the only journalists who covered McCarthy’s investigation into alleged communist activity within the State Department in the 1950s and who consistently questioned McCarthy’s anticommunist crusade, later known as “McCarthyism.” Many on the left called McCarthy’s probe a witch hunt that ultimately damaged the civil liberties and careers of intellectuals and artists, similar to the wording Trump uses to describe the Russia investigation.

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WITCH HUNT!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 27, 2018

Hannity responded to Page’s praise on Monday saying the “media is going to love that comment” and then asked whether the American people have been lied to “by the media and by (Rep.) Adam Schiff (D-CA) on a regular basis?”

“It’s been nonstop, absolutely,” Page said.

Page has found himself at the center of the probe into Russian meddling and whether the Trump campaign worked with the foreign power to sway the election because of his numerous contacts with people linked to the Russian government while he worked for the campaign.

A Republican memo, crafted by Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) staffers, released earlier this month purports to show that the FBI acted inappropriately in securing a warrant to surveil Page over his Russian contacts.

Page has appeared on Hannity’s show multiple times throughout the investigation. The former Trump campaign aide has consistently maintained his innocence and Hannity routinely asks questions that reinforce sentiment.

“The government by the way spied on you, four different warrants for a full year,” Hannity said Monday, before asking if there’s anything that they might have found that could implicate him for working with Russia to sway the election.

“I have no fear whatsoever,” Page said.

Watch a segment of the interview with Page below:

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Carter Page to Hannity: You are the Edward R Murrow of the Trump/Russia Story pic.twitter.com/6XnNkn5Myu

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) February 27, 2018

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/page-hannity-edward-murrow-russia-probe


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Evidence against Russians might never see the light of day
When deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein outlined the accusations against 13 Russians for meddling in the U.S. elections, he closed his rare public statement with a standard admonition that's tacked on to all Justice Department announcements of indictments.

"I want to caution you that everyone charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless, and until, proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond any reasonable doubt," Rosenstein said.

In any other case, ticking through the mechanics of due process would be perfunctory — an afterthought. But when Rosenstein spoke, it was a reminder that one of the most stunning attacks on American democracy might never be tested in court — the evidence never vetted, the defendants never heard from and the nation left wondering how credible the government's case is.

There's a good chance the 13 Russians charged with running an elaborate game of "information warfare" in the U.S. may never appear in court. With no extradition treaty with Russia, nothing can compel them.

But ethicists say the standard rules of conduct, keeping that evidence private until trial, might not be good enough for an attack at the very foundation of democracy. "It's so serious, it's so core, the usual rules of explanation, the usual rules of transparency are going to have to be supplemented — it's part of the repair of the damage being done to the institutions (of American democracy)," said Arthur Caplan, head of ethics at the New York University School of Medicine. "The public trust needs to be repaired."

Russian operatives working for Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Russian oligarch with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin, used a network of fake social media accounts and targeted messaging to roil the national debate in the 2016 election, prosecutors allege. Russians working for the Internet Research Agency posed as American activists on both sides of the country's ever-widening political divide, the indictment contends, spurring real Americans to show up to protest in the streets.

The sweeping, 37-page indictment marked the first time the federal government identified specific culprits and included a wealth of information. But it also opened more questions, like which Americans were unwittingly helping the Russians.

In Texas, the leader of a group urging secession, publicly asked Mueller to declare that his group never contacted any Russian after it was revealed that a fake secessionist group, "Heart of Texas" was created by Russians on Facebook.

Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has argued that the chances special counsel Robert Mueller's evidence never sees the light of day increases the importance of congressional probes — which can more easily disclose its findings to the public.

In a typical case, evidence gathered by a prosecutor would be challenged by defense attorneys - exposing holes or inaccuracies in the case. Without a trial, that's unlikely. "It's very important to preserve the rights of the defendant, even of these defendants. So until there is a trial, where the charges are presented and there is the possibility of responsibility, I'm not sure it would be right to release (evidence) where there is no possibility of cross-examination," said Michael Walzer, a professor emeritus of social science at the Institute for Advanced Study.

A spokesman for Mueller declined comment for this story. Legal experts familiar with the challenges of trying to bring a case against foreign nationals who won't be extradited for trial said Mueller has a tricky balance to achieve between conducting his investigation and letting the public know what really happened.

"I think Mueller bringing these indictments at all is less about law enforcement and more of a public service announcement: 'Wake up, America. These guys are actively trying to make us hate each other!'" said Lester Munson, a visiting fellow at George Mason University's National Security Institute and former top staffer on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

But others say it's not only for show. U.S. law enforcement may never nab the Russians, but Mueller's indictment set a clear legal boundary against other meddlers — like using "No Trespassing" signs to prevent others from gaining a legal claim to your property, said John Carlin, a former chief of staff to Mueller at the FBI.

Carlin added that the U.S. has used domestic charges against foreign drug lords and terrorists in the past, with seemingly no hope of ever catching them, but sometimes after many years they're captured and brought on trial in the U.S.

"In the early stages of going after narcotics kingpins, some people thought it was crazy but some of those guy are in U.S. prisons now," said Carlin, who "I wouldn't write off that one of these guys gets caught."

One of those indicted seems perfectly content to stay in Russia. "I love my country. There are many beautiful places that you can go to in Russia," Mikhail Burchik told the daily newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda.

So a report from Mueller seems like the best chance to see what evidence the U.S. gathered. At the end of the probe, Mueller is tasked by law with filing a "confidential" report to the attorney general. It will then be up to Rosenstein whether or not to release that report.

"You can't compromise his investigation, he's gotta protect the integrity of his investigation," Caplan said. "When the time comes to hear him out what he feels to be true, I would hope for more transparency."

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The Russians are far less important than any complicit Murricans.


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oskar576 wrote:
The Russians are far less important than any complicit Murricans.

Absolutely/positively AGREE, oskar! ~ :ey

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oskar576 wrote:
The Russians are far less important than any complicit Murricans.

But are you going to get to those Murricans if you can't go after the Russians?


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The Russians are far less important than any complicit Murricans.

But are you going to get to those Murricans if you can't go after the Russians?


Spilling the beans would cause far more chaos than not talking.


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PostPosted: 04/27/18 5:13 pm • # 347 
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This is a BIG admission from this "Russian lawyer" ~ but I'm not sure how it will play out ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Russian lawyer who met with Don Jr at Trump Tower admits she’s an ‘informant’ for the Kremlin: report
Tom Boggioni / 27 Apr 2018 at 09:43 ET

According to a report in the New York Times, the Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s eldest son, Don Jr., son-in-law Jared Kushner and other campaign officials at Trump Tower before the election has a deeper relationship with the Kremlin than she has previously admitted.

Natalia V. Veselnitskaya has previously stated that she has only a passing acquaintance with the Kremlin but new emails show that she “worked hand in glove with Russia’s chief legal office to thwart a Justice Department civil fraud case against a well-connected Russian firm.”

The reports goes on to state that Veselnitskaya appears to have recanted her earlier denials of Russian government ties.

In an interview to be broadcast Friday by NBC News, she acknowledged that she was not merely a private lawyer but an informant for Kremlin official, Yuri Y. Chaika, the prosecutor general.

“I am a lawyer, and I am an informant,” she said. “Since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general.

You can read the whole report here.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/russian-lawyer-met-don-jr-trump-tower-admits-shes-informant-kremlin-report/


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PostPosted: 04/27/18 5:21 pm • # 348 
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Looking worserer and worserer.


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PostPosted: 04/30/18 9:56 am • # 349 
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Here's another prime example of why I am a "Bruce groupie" ~ :st ~ Sooz

Bruce Lindner wrote:
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Here’s what’s now been established as fact. Not speculation, not gossip, not conspiracy theories. FACTS. In Rummyspeak, these are the “known knowns.”
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A Russian spy, who just last week admitted she was working in that capacity for the Russian government, requested a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. (a.k.a. “Butchwax”) in the summer of 2016. She got word to him that she had dirt on Hillary Clinton. The intermediary was Rob Goldstone, a British publicist, tabloid journalist and long time friend of candidate Donald Trump. Butchwax told Goldstone; “Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”
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Butchwax agreed to meet with the Russian agent. The meeting took place on June 9th, 2016 in Trump Tower. Present at that meeting were several other high profile figures from the Trump campaign, including Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort. Once word of the meeting broke in the media, the cover story was that they were discussing adoptions of Russian children.
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July 22nd, 2016. Wikileaks publishes DNC emails damaging to the Hillary Clinton campaign.
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July 27th, 2016. Trump announces at a televised press conference; “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
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Meetings were held to discuss establishing an NRA/Trump/Russia “back channel.” The NRA has since admitted to accepting Russian donations on 23 separate occasions. The FBI is investigating evidence that indicates Russian funds were funneled to the Trump campaign through the NRA (in what’s colloquially known as “money laundering.”)
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The House Intelligence Committee chaired by Devin Nunes, a highly partisan Republican who served on the Trump Transition Team, rejected requests from Democrats on the committee to examine the NRA/Trump/Russia links. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan refused to intervene in Nunes’ handling of the Intelligence Committee.
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Collusion? Oh, of course not! This is all just a series of coincidences.
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But here’s something for all you MAGAts out there to consider:
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At some point in the future when you, me, Donald Trump, Wayne LaPierre, Julian Assange, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are dead and buried, the veil will have been long lifted on all of this. It’s called “history.” Now the interesting thing about history, is that it doesn’t always get the facts right at first. But as the years turn into decades, and the decades roll into centuries, the facts tend to rise to the top. And as cut and dried as this scandal appears today, April 30th 2018, your children and grandchildren will probably know all the facts well before the worms have finished returning you to the Earth.
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Imagine their pride in being the offspring of a generation of rubes that willingly empowered the worst, most corrupt, demagogic creature to lead a world power since 1930s Germany.
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Here’s another heads-up, Trumpettes; whatever your surname is today, in a very few generations hence, it will probably be something else. Because your immediate posterity will be so cognizant of the shadow of corruption, greed and ignorance your vote cast upon this nation, that many of them will legally change it, rather than admit you were their ancestor.
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There’s a reason why there are so few Bormanns, Görings, Himmlers and Hitlers today. It’s called “shame.”


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PostPosted: 04/30/18 4:21 pm • # 350 
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An update on Junior's meeting with the Russian Lawyer

https://www.bustle.com/p/update-on-the- ... ns-8932453


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