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PostPosted: 03/03/15 7:41 pm • # 51 
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The answer to that question for Netanyahu is invade Iran.


I think he (and our christian Republicans) would be fine with just bombing the heck out of Iran.
There has to be a bunch of older inventory in bombs in warehouses which has to get out to make room for new production.


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The answer to that question for Netanyahu is invade Iran.


I think he (and our christian Republicans) would be fine with just bombing the heck out of Iran.
There has to be a bunch of older inventory in bombs in warehouses which has to get out to make room for new production.



Yes, but you can't change a regime and put people you want in charge without boots on the ground.


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From the critiques I've read on the speech, it's what Netanyahu alluded to but didn't directly say: the boots he wants on the ground are Americans ~ the speech, with its very careful wording, all played into the "brains" of the GOP/TPers, who also hunger for another war ~

Netanyahu is a textbook example of narcissist ~ he knows all and he doesn't accept that he could possibly be wrong ... about anything ~ he's also proven himself to be a consummate liar and an unparalleled opportunist, without thought or care to who or what he's damaging ~

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PostPosted: 03/03/15 10:49 pm • # 54 
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The rightwingnuts are dumb enough to get suckered into fighting Israel's wars.


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PostPosted: 03/04/15 10:38 am • # 55 
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ANY wars. let's get real.


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PostPosted: 03/07/15 7:50 pm • # 56 
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Netanyahu, the Other Israelis, and Bobby Burns

by Ralph Nader


Apart from inadvertently making the case for equal time by his Israeli pre-election opposition, the spectacle of Benjamin Netanyahu’s wild diatribe at the joint session of Congress amidst the feral cheers of his congressional yahoos will be remembered as a textbook case of propaganda unhinged from reality.

Starting from his preposterous premise that Iran, a poor country of 77 million people with an economy nearly the size of Massachusetts’, is planning a caliphate to conquer the world, Mr. Netanyahu builds his case on belligerent words by Iranian leaders, who believe they are responding to Israeli belligerence backed by its ultra-modern, U.S. equipped military machine and its repeated threats of preemptive attacks against Tehran.

Unwilling, unlike his Israeli opponents, to subject himself to questions before congressional committees, this three-time soliloquist at joint congressional sessions (1996, 2011 and 2015) was received with hoopla quite different from his reception in a much more critical Knesset. The Prime Minister’s 42 minute speech was punctuated by 23 standing ovations and sitting applauses that took up 10 minutes.

The U.S. Israeli lobby has made Congress a rubber stamp for lopsided policies in the Middle East.

Only about fifty Democrats boycotted his address.

It is as if Israel doesn’t frighten Iran with its 200 nuclear weapons and its rejection of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty whose international inspections are required for all other signatory nations on Earth, including Iran.

It is as if Israel has not threatened Iran with annihilation, sent spies to sabotage and slay Iranian scientists and worked with its Arab allies to undermine the Iranian regime;

It is as if Iranians do not remember that the United State overthrew their popularly elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953 to reinstate the Shah’s dictatorship for 26 years;

It is as if the Iranians do not mourn the loss of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians killed by Saddam Hussein’s brutal invasion of their country from 1980 to 1988 with the military, intelligence and diplomatic support of the United States;

It is as if Iranians are not frightened into thinking they’re next when George W. Bush named Iran as part of the “axis of evil” (along with Iraq and North Korea), and proceeded to destroy Iraq and surround Iran with U.S. armed forces that are still in place to this day;

It is as if the Iranian people are not suffering from economic boycotts which, by impacting disproportionately civilian health and safety there, (See Public Citizen’s Health Letter) violate international law;

It is as if Iran should accept a wide sphere of influence by the U.S. and not try to expand its sphere of influence for its own defense;

It is as if Iran had not proposed a serious plan to George W. Bush over ten years ago to settle disputes and establish a nuclear-weapons free zone in the Middle East, which Mr. Bush completely ignored;

It is as if Iran is not, in the words of former Obama adviser, Vali R. Nasr, carrying “most of the weight” in the “battles on the ground” against ISIS in Iraq, thereby saving the U.S. from committing again U.S. soldiers to avert a complete rout of those left behind after our deadly debacle in Iraq since 2003;

It is as if Iran is not claiming it is building nuclear power plants for electricity (a foolishly dangerous move for its own people) and not building an atomic bomb, has not been in full compliance with the Geneva interim accord (November 2013) with the P5+1 countries, as these parties, led by the United States, strive to conclude a complete agreement this year;

It is as if Israel has not illegally occupied, colonized and stolen Palestinian land and water over the decades (including regularly invading a blockaded Gaza, invading Lebanon five times and attacking other nearby countries pre-emptively) and caused hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties;

It is as if Israel, while complaining about Iranian behavior, does not continue their Palestinian policies that violate several United Nations’ resolutions, while goading the U.S. toward war against Iran;

It is as if the Arab League, with 22 member nations, has not offered repeatedly since 2002 a comprehensive peace treaty in return to Israel returning to its 1967 borders that was also rejected by Israel;

It is as if Iran has forgotten the shooting down of a scheduled Iranian civilian Airbus by the U.S. Navy in 1988 with a loss of 290 innocent lives, including 66 children;

It is as if Iran, a country that hasn’t invaded any country for over 250 years, should remain cool in the face of such attacks, threats, infiltrations, boycotts, U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf, and not engage in any military alliances; and

It is as if Iran’s authoritarian leaders are not preoccupied enough with pressures inside their country that are both internally and externally driven without also planning to conquer the world.

The pop-up lawmakers in Congress on Tuesday have not shown any interest in their own government’s causal responsibility for Iranian animosities. The priority for many in Congress is marching to the drumbeat of whatever the U.S. Israeli lobby wants from the Pentagon, the State Department and the American taxpayers. (Some members of Congress have spoken up in the past, notably Republican Congressmen Ron Paul and Paul Findley and Senators Chuck Percy and James Abourezk.)

Why does a large majority of Congress block the viewpoints and policies that could lead to peace as advocated by many former chiefs of Israel’s security, intelligence, military and political institutions? They have spoken up repeatedly in Israel but are never allowed to testify before congressional committees. This entrenched anti-Semitism on Capitol Hill against the “other Israeli” Jews needs to be challenged by peace and justice-loving Americans who want to avoid future blowbacks and war quagmires for our soldiers.

A way to clarify jingoistic biases in foreign policy is to ask the questions: who was the initial aggressor? Who is the invader, the occupier, the ever hovering armed drone operator? Who has backed and armed dictators to repress their people who want no more such nation-building by the U.S.?

For a century, is it we, with the British and French, who have been over there or is it they who have been over here? Brutish conditions breed brutish behavior in all directions.

The poetic wisdom of the great Scottish poet Bobby Burns teaches the crucial empathy: “O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/03/07/netanyahu-other-israelis-and-bobby-burns


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PostPosted: 03/12/15 9:11 am • # 57 
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Excellent, and blistering, commentary John ~

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PostPosted: 03/12/15 9:22 am • # 58 
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I'm reserving glee until Netanyahu loses ~ hopefully, this trend will continue ~ but he is a textbook megalomaniac and a narcissist, so I don't put anything past him ~ and there is still a LOT of time for things to happen and for a LOT of promises to be made ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Netanyahu’s fortunes fall following GOP partnership
03/12/15 10:00 AM
By Steve Benen

When House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to deliver a speech to a joint session of Congress, the plan was intended to boost their collective ambitions. Boehner would use Netanyahu to undermine President Obama and his foreign policy, while Netanyahu would use Boehner to improve his own re-election prospects and condemn international nuclear talks he opposes.

Almost immediately, the gambit backfired. In the United States, Republicans created a real controversy by partnering with a foreign official to undercut an American president. In Israel, Netanyahu divided the public by jeopardizing the country’s relationship with its most reliable ally.

The consequences of the misstep are still unfolding. Take the latest poll of Israeli voters, less than a week from their national elections, for example.

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Isaac Herzog’s Zionist Union has maintained its 24-to-21-seat lead against Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud in the Knesset Channel’s latest poll, suggesting that the prime minister’s speech to Congress last week hasn’t buoyed his party before the March 17 election. […]

Zionist Union is the joint slate of Herzog’s Labor Party and Tzipi Livni’s Hatnuah. The station’s previous poll came out just before Netanyahu’s speech to the U.S. Congress a week ago.

In case it’s not obvious, any set of national elections are going to be multi-faceted, and it’s difficult to draw a straight line between the prime minister’s congressional address and his reduced support in Israel. That said, the polling suggests Netanyahu was in better shape, politically, before last week’s controversial U.S. trip.

It was not uncommon to hear prominent American voices suggest in recent weeks that the Israeli prime minister speaks for all of Israel – and indeed, all Jewish people everywhere – and it’s somehow offensive for anyone to criticize his policy vision. It was a silly argument at the time, which looks increasingly foolish now.

At least Netanyahu can take some comfort in knowing he’s wildly popular in the United States, right? Actually, no.

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A new poll released on Tuesday shows American support for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has faded after his controversial congressional address on March 3.

The latest Gallup survey shows Netanyahu with a 38 percent favorability rating, down 7 percentage points from a similar poll in February. And his unfavorability rating is higher, up 5 percentage points to 29 percent in the same time period.

Much of the shift is the result of the prime minister’s falling support among Democrats, who were apparently unimpressed with his controversial GOP partnership.

In recent weeks, conservative media declared Benjamin Netanyahu the “leader of the free world” over and over and over again. It would appear most Americans, and an increasing number of Israelis, believe otherwise.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/netanyahus-fortunes-fall-following-gop-partnership


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In recent weeks, conservative media declared Benjamin Netanyahu the “leader of the free world” over and over and over again. It would appear most Americans, and an increasing number of Israelis, believe otherwise.

I've heard of Bibi being referred to as “leader of the free world”.
The "free world" hasn't got a leader and never has had one. Neither does the "opressed world".


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PostPosted: 03/16/15 9:19 am • # 60 
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Israeli politics are very complex ~ there are many parties and no party is big/strong enough to sweep any election ~ that forces the bigger parties to form coalitions with the smaller parties to reach a majority ~ Israelis don't elect a leader, they elect a coalition ~

So, even with virtually all Israeli polls predicting Netanyahu will lose in tomorrow's election, I am VERY edgy about it ~ in fact, I'm more nervous about this Israeli election than I was waiting for the returns on Obama's 2008 election ~ the Likud [Netanyahu's] party is VERY similar to the very worst of the US' TPers ~

For me, Netanyahu is the single biggest thorn to peace in the Middle East ~ he is a textbook narcissist and megalomaniac ~ conspiring with the GOP/TPers to speak here a couple of weeks ago was the most openly hostile act Netanyahu [and the GOP/TPers] could have contrived ~ I fervently hope that Netanyahu pays the ultimate price for his moment of "glory" ~

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PostPosted: 03/16/15 12:39 pm • # 61 
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It will be interesting if Netanyahu loses and a big reason seems to be his speech before Congress.


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PostPosted: 03/16/15 12:54 pm • # 62 
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It will be interesting if Netanyahu loses and a big reason seems to be his speech before Congress.

Yes, John ~ that speech turned off the Israeli electorate even more than it did ours ~ but Netanyahu has a long history of bullying and dirty tricks ~ I fervently hope this is more proof that "what goes around comes around ... eventually" ~

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PostPosted: 03/16/15 4:43 pm • # 63 
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Oy vey. I hope this guy loses.

Netanyahu says no Palestinian state if he wins

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/on-final-day-of-campaign-netanyahu-says-no-palestinian-state-if-he-wins/2015/03/16/4f4468e8-cbdc-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html?hpid=z1


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"Oy vey" is one of the very few Yiddish terms I understand ~ nice touch, John ~ :b

Yes, Netanyahu is quite the "peace monger", isn't he? ~ :ey

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Wonder which country will be the first to have a policy of "No Palestinian State then No Israeli State"... maybe the EU would have the guts to do it.


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PostPosted: 03/17/15 4:42 pm • # 66 
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I'm NOT happy ~ last I heard, Netanyahu and Herzog were "neck-and-neck" ~ but of course Netanyahu has already declared himself the victor ~ :g ~ it's going to take time for this to all shake out ~ the next step is how the coalitions form, which can change everything ~

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PostPosted: 03/17/15 5:34 pm • # 67 
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Or if the radicals from both sides hit the streets?


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PostPosted: 03/18/15 9:36 am • # 68 
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I'm VERY UNHAPPY with the likely final counts ~ that Netanyahu pulled this out is ... disgusting and shameful ~ he is a bully, a racist, a manipulator ~ he is a textbook narcissist that is turning the dream and deep roots that were Israel into a right-wing hell ~ this Krugman commentary is from the other day [prior to election results], but strikes me as being a bull's-eye ~ there are "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Paul Krugman Exposes How Netanyahu Has Used Iran to Conceal Israel's Economic Disaster
Israel's prime minister is trying to hide a big problem.
By Janet Allon / AlterNet / March 16, 2015

The real reason behind Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's recent anti-Iran speech to Congress had nothing to do with foreign policy, Paul Krugman opines in Monday's column. Insulting the president is not the way to go about that. No, Netanyahu has a serious problem at home and polls suggest that he may well get the boot in Tuesday's election. That problem might sound familiar—Israel has become almost as unequal as America, and there is widespread economic discontent in the country that once was built on the socialist ideals of the kibbutz system.

Economic happiness is not the usual mainstream story we hear about Israel. The country is a high-technology powerhouse and its economy has grown rapidly, barely affected by the worldwide recession starting in 2008. But the spoils of that growth have gone disproportionately to Israel's own version of the one percent. According to Krugman, since the early 1990s,

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Israel has experienced a dramatic widening of income disparities. Key measures of inequality have soared; Israel is now right up there with America as one of the most unequal societies in the advanced world. And Israel’s experience shows that this matters, that extreme inequality has a corrosive effect on social and political life.

Consider what has happened at either end of the spectrum — the growth in poverty, on one side, and extreme wealth, on the other.

According to Luxembourg Income Study data, the share of Israel’s population living on less than half the country’s median income — a widely accepted definition of relative poverty — more than doubled, to 20.5 percent from 10.2 percent, between 1992 and 2010. The share of children in poverty almost quadrupled, to 27.4 percent from 7.8 percent. Both numbers are the worst in the advanced world, by a large margin.

And when it comes to children, in particular, relative poverty is the right concept. Families that live on much lower incomes than those of their fellow citizens will, in important ways, be alienated from the society around them, unable to participate fully in the life of the nation. Children growing up in such families will surely be placed at a permanent disadvantage.

At the other end, while the available data — puzzlingly — don’t show an especially large share of income going to the top 1 percent, there is an extreme concentration of wealth and power among a tiny group of people at the top. And I mean tiny. According to the Bank of Israel, roughly 20 families control companies that account for half the total value of Israel’s stock market. The nature of that control is convoluted and obscure, working through “pyramids” in which a family controls a firm that in turn controls other firms and so on. Although the Bank of Israel is circumspect in its language, it is clearly worried about the potential this concentration of control creates for self-dealing.

The widening inequality in Israel, like that in the U.S., is the result of policy decisions, not just some naturally occurring phenomenon that free marketeers like to claim. Shockingly, according to Krugman, "Israel does less to lift people out of poverty than any other advanced country — yes, even less than the United States." Now that is saying something. And those living in poverty are not just Israel's oppressed Arab population and ultra-Orthodox Jews.

Israel's oligarchs, like Russia's, managed to gain control of businesses that were privatized in the 1980s. That control enables them outsized influence on policy. Works every time. Netanyahu is a big advocate for policies that keep them sitting pretty, and like New Jersey's Chris Christie, the Israeli P.M. enjoys sitting and traveling pretty himself, often on the taxpayer's dime.

There are serious signs that Israelis are sick of it, and that Netanyahu's bombast in the U.S. Congress did nothing to fool them.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/paul-krugman-exposes-how-netanyahu-has-used-iran-conceal-israels-economic-disaster


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Israel's oligarchs, like Russia's, managed to gain control of businesses that were privatized in the 1980s.

A good many of "Israel's oligrachs" are the children/grand-children of Russian/Soviet migrants. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?


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Israel's oligarchs, like Russia's, managed to gain control of businesses that were privatized in the 1980s.

A good many of "Israel's oligrachs" are the children/grand-children of Russian/Soviet migrants. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?

It also includes German/Polish/Hungarian, etc migrants ~ I see it as almost 50/50, oskar ... either embracing/copying our parents' values or doing a 180* turn away ~

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sooz06 wrote:
oskar576 wrote:
Israel's oligarchs, like Russia's, managed to gain control of businesses that were privatized in the 1980s.

A good many of "Israel's oligrachs" are the children/grand-children of Russian/Soviet migrants. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?

It also includes German/Polish/Hungarian, etc migrants ~ I see it as almost 50/50, oskar ... either embracing/copying our parents' values or doing a 180* turn away ~
Sooz


My guess would be that the Balkan/Russian/oligarch ancestry is over-represented. Of course, that doesn't explain the USian oligarchy.


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