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PostPosted: 09/04/17 5:49 pm • # 1 
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HUGE media attention on the DiC intending to announce tomorrow that he is dropping DACA with a 6-month extension to give Congress time to "fix it" ~ the DiC is a feral fiend ~ this is from my Facebook feed ~ :tearhair ~ Sooz

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Trump just announced his cruel, cowardly decision to officially end DACA with a six-month delay, threatening hundreds of thousands of young DREAMers. This is the final straw. We have to protect America's right to dream from the GOP's cruelty. Help us do it → https://action.dccc.org/petition/protec ... 09.04_1430


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More distractions.
He looks for the most controversy possible and the media bite every tie.


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PostPosted: 09/04/17 6:04 pm • # 3 
It's really all about the soft coup perpetrated by Russia.


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This is just more proof that the DiC's [unstated] ultimate goal is to wipe out all the popular advances Obama championed ~ but he obviously has lost a staunch conservative voice in Jennifer Rubin ~ I do believe she has completed her 180* turn away from virtually everything the DiC does/says ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Right Turn | Opinion
Ending DACA would be Trump’s most evil act
By Jennifer Rubin September 4 at 9:45 AM

[Video accessible via the end link.]

The Post reports:

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President Trump is expected to phase out the Obama-era program that grants work permits to about 800,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children, but delay its end for six months to give Congress time to pass legislation to replace it, according to multiple people briefed on the president’s discussions.

Trump’s plan remains fluid and could change, however, and administration officials stressed Sunday evening that the president has not finalized his decision. The White House has scheduled an announcement for Tuesday.

Some in the media take seriously the notion that he is “conflicted” or “wrestling” with the decision, as though Trump were engaged in a great moral debate. That would be a first for Trump, who counts only winners and losers, never bothering with moral principles or democratic norms. The debate, if there is one, is over whether to disappoint his rabid anti-immigrant base or to, as is his inclination, double down on a losing hand.

The instantaneous backlash on social media Sunday night was a preview of the floodgates of anger that Trump’s decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program would open. Both Democrats and Republicans have urged him not to end the program; about 70 percent of voters in most polls favor keeping the program. Trump, who likes to think of himself as someone with “heart,” may yet decide to reverse course. If he does not, let’s get a few things straight.

First, let’s not think Trump — who invites cops to abuse suspects, who thinks ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio was “doing his job” when denying others their constitutional rights and who issued the Muslim ban — cares about the Constitution (any of the “twelve” articles). Trump says, “We love the dreamers. … We think the dreamers are terrific.” But in fact he loves the applause he derives from his cultist followers more than anything. Otherwise he’d go to the mat to defend the dreamers and secure their legal status.

To begin with, surely Trump could talk the nine Republicans attorneys general out of the suit they are contemplating, or at least try his hand in court (as he has done repeatedly with the Muslim ban and sanctuary city order). In any event, he could wait for a final adverse ruling that could be months or years from now rather than end the executive order on his own. Needless to say, longtime anti-immigrant extremists Attorney General Jeff Sessions and senior adviser Stephen Miller have no interest in explaining any of that to the president. (When a president is as thoroughly ignorant and non-analytical as this one is, his aides have ample opportunity to lead him around by the nose.)

Moreover, if Trump really thought he had to end DACA for constitutional reasons, how can he justify a six-month extension? (Why not 12 months? Two years?) And surely, if he really wanted Congress to act, he could insist it be tied (like Harvey funding) to the debt ceiling or, alternatively, to the funding bill to keep the government operating.

No, if Trump cancels DACA, it will be one more attempt to endear himself to his shrinking base with the only thing that truly energizes the dead-enders: vengeance fueled by white grievance. And it will also be an act of uncommon cowardice. (“Should Trump move forward with this decision, he would effectively be buying time and punting responsibility to Congress to determine the fate of the Dreamers,” writes The Post.) Dumping it into the lap of the hapless Congress, he can try evading responsibility for the deportation of nearly 800,000 young people who were brought here as children, 91 percent of whom are working. (And if by chance Congress should save DACA, it will be Trump who is the villain and they the saviors, an odd political choice for a president who cares not one wit about the party.)

As for Congress, House Speaker Paul Ryan, who talks about sparing the dreamers, will be sorely tested to overcome the objections of the hard-line anti-immigrant voices in his conference. Does he have the nerve to bring to the floor a bill that lacks majority support among Republicans? Tie it to a must-pass bill (e.g., Harvey funding, the debt ceiling, funding for the government)? In the Senate, will opportunistic right-wingers such as Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) grandstand, perhaps filibustering a measure into order to out-Trump Trump?

However this turns out, the GOP under Trump has defined itself as the white grievance party — bluntly, a party fueled by concocted white resentment aimed at minorities. Of all the actions Trump has taken, none has been as cruel, thoughtless or divisive as deporting hundreds of thousands of young people who’ve done nothing but go to school, work hard and present themselves to the government.

The party of Lincoln has become the party of Charlottesville, Arpaio, DACA repeal and the Muslim ban. Embodying the very worst sentiments and driven by irrational anger, it deserves not defense but extinction.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/09/04/trump-ending-daca-would-be-cruelty-wrapped-in-a-web-of-lies/?utm_term=.be5d230cd2fc


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PostPosted: 09/05/17 8:11 am • # 5 
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OF COURSE he's looking to blame others! ~ :tearhair ~ some "live links" to more/corroborating information in the original ~ Sooz

Tuesday, Sep 5, 2017 08:08 AM CST
Donald Trump is trying to back away from his own DACA decision
Trump — facing condemnation — tries to blame Congress for the mess he created.
Charlie May

Yet again, after President Donald Trump has already weighed in and endorsed a deeply unpopular policy position, the president is asking Congress to fix his mess.

Trump has reportedly been searching for “a way out” of his current legislative dilemma involving the Obama-era DACA law, which protects the children of illegal immigrants and allows them to obtain work and study permits. Instead of fulfilling his campaign promise of rolling back the legislation, he announced Tuesday that Congress would have the responsibility of doing something.

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Congress, get ready to do your job - DACA!
7:04 AM - Sep 5, 2017

Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who has urged the president to end the program, is expected to make the formal announcement later on Tuesday, according to the New York Times. Some Congressional Republicans have already spoken out and requested that the president not end the program, but there are others who remain staunchly opposed to the measure.

Trump’s new chief of staff John Kelly came up with the solution to kick the issue to Congress after consulting with Republican lawmakers and staff members, and after Trump expressed that he wanted “a way out,” the Times reported. But the delay puts the decision in limbo and can lead to further problems for a Republican party that has struggled to stay united.

“He’s being pulled in a bunch of different directions, and because he doesn’t have any strong ideological anchor, or deep knowledge of the issue, he ends up sort of not knowing what to do,” Mark Krikorian told the Times. “I think the fact that they did nothing to it suggests that they had no idea what to do.”

Those urging Trump to end DACA consist of his senior policy adviser Stephen Miller as well as Sessions. Former chief strategist Steve Bannon, who is still rumored to have some influence, wants Trump to end the program because he has pressured Trump to fulfill all of his campaign promises.

If Congress ended the program, they would be subjecting nearly 800,000 people to deportation.

“The federal government has the cellphone and home address of every DACA recipient,” Todd Schulte, president of FWD.us, a progressive immigration reform group, told the Times.

“They grew up here, they work at nearly every major company in America, serve in the military and many are working on recovery efforts in Texas,” he explained. “If DACA is repealed and no permanent legislation passed, they will all be fired and our government will begin the large-scale deportation of people raised in the United States, using information they volunteered to the government with the promise it would never be used against them or their families.”

Congress has had a rough and largely ineffective eight months in office since coming on in January, and it’s currently unclear if they could muster enough support to save DACA.

As Trump turned up the heat to pass health care legislation, Congress ultimately failed to garner enough votes that would have repealed and replaced Obamacare — a key Trump campaign promise — and had been hailed as a success that was seven years in the making. Though some Republicans have said they plan to support legislation that protects Dreamers, they face opposition from ultra-conservatives and risk a further fracturing of the party.

http://www.salon.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-is-trying-to-back-away-from-his-own-daca-decision/


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PostPosted: 09/05/17 9:58 am • # 6 
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It is strange he will pander to his base even when both sides of the political spectrum basically disagree with him. I read an article recently that Kelly told aides to stop bringing him only right-wing conservative news and articles. I wondered if that is why he has such a mixed up view of things. He listens to them as they are the only ones that make excuses, and give him excuses he uses later on. They also praise him no matter what which he loves - so in his narcissism he thinks they are the majority and therefore is lauded by most people.

This DACA decision shows how deplorable and misguided he really is. . I wonder though, if he would even accept the truth that he is not so beloved by the majority as he thinks and change - or get even angrier and nastier - get even and dig in more?


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PostPosted: 09/05/17 3:20 pm • # 7 
He can only get angrier and nastier. It's what happens when a sociopath is backed into a corner.


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Every time I'm convinced the DiC has reached the lowest point possible ... he goes lower ... ~ :eek ~ Sooz

TPM EDITOR'S BLOG
Trump Wishes Dreamers Luck as He Tosses Them Out of the Plane
By Josh Marshall Published September 5, 2017 11:47 am

Let me share a few thoughts about President Trump’s decision to end DACA. If reports are to be believed – and I suspect they generally are – the President was conflicted on this decision. He wanted to satisfy his promise to his core voters but he also did not want to get the blame for the impact of the decision. This is an important distinction between not wanting to inflict human suffering and not wanting to get blamed for it. In any case, as he put it in his tweet this morning, he’s leaving it up to Congress to prevent the carnage.

It’s important to note that there’s a way a normal President would handle this if you were not averse to the policy itself but believed it was either not legal or would not survive a judicial challenge. In that case a President brings together members of both parties in Congress and tries to put together a legislative fix. That would be a serious challenge under present circumstances. But it wouldn’t be impossible. It is worth noting here that there are almost certainly enough votes in Congress to make some version of DACA law. The key question is whether Speaker Paul Ryan would allow such a bill to come to a vote in the House since it would probably need to pass mainly with Democratic votes.

In any case, that’s how you do it. Take no action until there’s a prepackaged plan ready to go in Congress that has buy-in from all the key players: the White House, congressional leadership of both parties etc. Not easy. But it’s not impossible.

What Trump is actually doing is designed not to get a good outcome but rather to avoid blame for a bad outcome. That’s a major difference. Indeed, the way he’s going about it makes getting a legislative fix much harder. Now Democrats will rightly see any negotiations with the President on this front as negotiation with a bad actor. It’s not much better for the GOP. The real legislative problem here is on the Republican side. This triggers a significant intra-party fight under duress. No Republican leaders can be happy about that. Let’s hope they can make something happen. But the President’s approach is designed to make such an effort fail.

What the President is doing is the executive action equivalent of flying the plane up to 10,000 feet, tossing the Dreamers out the door and yelling after them, “I hope you have a parachute or if you don’t that Paul Ryan can get you one really fast!’ Actually, one small difference. He had Jeff Sessions toss them out of the plane. The big picture is the same: this is an approach meant not to achieve any good outcome but to get out of the blame when bad things start happening.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-wishes-dreamers-luck-as-he-tosses-them-out-of-the-plane


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Sidartha wrote:
He can only get angrier and nastier. It's what happens when a sociopath is backed into a corner.


Unfortunately, I think you are right sid. . and sooz- - the same with me - every time I think he can not go lower he does. I just read Bannon and Breitbart are praising trump for the decision. It also said it seems his factions (Bannon) still have clout with trump and in his administration - names a few people and sessions was one - surprised not!


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From my Facebook feed ~ it's unusual for a predecessor prez to blast his successor quite so bluntly ~ well done, BHO!!! ~ :st ~ Sooz

Barack Obama wrote:
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Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.


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Sidartha wrote:
He can only get angrier and nastier. It's what happens when a sociopath is backed into a corner.


And yet he still has enablers on capitol hill. They seem to take genuine delight at the damage he's causing.


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PostPosted: 09/06/17 7:32 am • # 12 
Chaos333 wrote:
Sidartha wrote:
He can only get angrier and nastier. It's what happens when a sociopath is backed into a corner.


And yet he still has enablers on capitol hill. They seem to take genuine delight at the damage he's causing.


Because they're sociopaths too. They'll change their tune when he turns on them.


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This 2d "agreement" within the past 2 weeks has sent the GOP/TPers and the DiC faithful into a frenzy ~ while it's kinda/sorta fun to watch that frenzy, people need to remember that lives are at stake here ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Democrats say they have deal with Trump on young immigrants
Associated Press / ERICA WERNER and JILL COLVIN / 1 day ago

WASHINGTON — The top House and Senate Democrats said Wednesday they had reached agreement with President Donald Trump to protect thousands of younger immigrants from deportation and fund some border security enhancements — not including Trump's long-sought border wall.

The deal announced by Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer and House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi following a White House dinner would enshrine protections for the nearly 800,000 immigrants brought illegally to this country as kids who had benefited from former President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program. The program provided temporary work permits and protection from deportation.

Trump ended the program earlier this month and had given Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix before the statuses of the so-called "Dreamers" begin to expire.

"We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that's acceptable to both sides," Pelosi and Schumer said in a joint statement.

It was the second time in two weeks that Trump cut out Republicans to reach a deal with Pelosi and Schumer. A person briefed on the meeting, who demanded anonymity to discuss it, said the deal specifies bipartisan legislation called the DREAM Act that provides eventual citizenship for the young immigrants.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but said in its own statement that the president had had "a constructive working dinner" with Schumer, Pelosi and administration officials "to discuss policy and legislative priorities," including DACA.

"This is a positive step toward the President's strong commitment to bipartisan solutions for the issues most important to all Americans," the White House said.

During a White House meeting with moderate House members from both parties earlier Wednesday, Trump had urged lawmakers to come up with a bipartisan solution.

"We don't want to forget DACA," Trump told the members at the meeting. "We want to see if we can do something in a bipartisan fashion so that we can solve the DACA problem and other immigration problems."

The apparent deal is the latest example of Trump's sudden pivot to bipartisanship after months of railing against Democrats as "obstructionist." He has urged them to join him in overhauling the nation's tax code, among other priorities.

Trump, who was deeply disappointed by Republicans' failure to pass a health care overhaul, infuriated many in his party when he reached a three-month deal with Schumer and Pelosi to raise the debt ceiling, keep the government running and speed relief to states affected by recent hurricanes.

"More and more we're trying to work things out together," Trump explained Wednesday, calling the development a "positive thing" for both parties.

"If you look at some of the greatest legislation ever passed, it was done on a bipartisan manner. And so that's what we're going to give a shot," he said.

The "Kumbaya" moment now appears to extend to the thorny issue of immigration, which has been vexing lawmakers for years. Funding for Trump's promised wall had been thought to be a major point of contention between Republicans and Democrats as they attempted to forge a deal.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said earlier Wednesday that Trump was "committed to the wall. It doesn't have to be tied to DACA but its important and he will get it done."

House Speaker Paul Ryan, who also sat down with Pelosi to talk immigration Wednesday, said during an AP Newsmaker interview that deporting the so-called "Dreamers" was "not in our nation's interest," and said the president had "made the right call."

"I wanted him to give us time. I didn't want this to be rescinded on Day One and create chaos," Ryan said, arguing the time would allow Congress to "come up with the right kind of consensus and compromise to fix this problem."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/schumer-pelosi-announce-deal-with-trump-to-protect-young-immigrants/ar-AArTMkU


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Frankly, if I were Schumer or Pelosi I would be wondering exactly where in my back Grabem was going to stick the knife.


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PostPosted: 09/15/17 11:15 am • # 15 
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Frankly, if I were Schumer or Pelosi I would be wondering exactly where in my back Grabem was going to stick the knife.


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How about all three

Trump Tweets 'No Deal' Was Made on DACA – Then Defends Deal Made on DACA

Flip Flop, Forgetfulness, or Faking?


President Donald Trump waited until early morning Thursday to publicly weigh in on the deal he struck Wednesday night with Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to protect young undocumented immigrants from deportation by making DACA federal law.

He now denies there was any deal made.

Wednesday night the president dined with the two top Democrats in the White House. Minutes after leaving, House Minority Leader Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Schumer released a joint statement announcing they had forged a deal with Trump to protect DREAMers.

"We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that's acceptable to both sides," the statement reads.

Well after their statement was released, Trump managed to tweet a lie about China's business tax rates, and two tweets lying about "Crooked Hillary Clinton," but none about the explosive news DACA would become law.

Thursday morning, Trump tweeted there was "no deal made" – and then detailed the same conditions Pelosi and Schumer noted in their statement.

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Donald J. Trump ✔
@realDonaldTrump
No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote.
7:11 AM - Sep 14, 2017


Not only did Trump's tweet saying no deal was made echo the deal made, according to the top Democrats, he then actually went on to defend the deal, and DACA itself – which is more support for DACA than he has ever voiced before.

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@realDonaldTrump
Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....
7:28 AM - Sep 14, 2017


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@realDonaldTrump
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security
7:35 AM - Sep 14, 2017


So, is Trump trying to make it look like he lied to the Democrats? Is he trying to sooth his base, which right now is beyond furious he made a deal to make DACA law?

This is how Rep. Steve King, Republican of Iowa and likely the most racist Congressman in the nation, reacted to the AP story Wednesday night on the DACA deal:

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@SteveKingIA
@RealDonaldTrump If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible. https://twitter.com/ap/status/908147079758925825
11:50 PM - Sep 13, 2017 · Washington, DC


Or did Trump just forget, hours after he made the deal?

Here's what some on Twitter are saying:

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@keithboykin
Trump says no deal was made with Pelosi and Schumer and then makes a pitch for the exact same deal he says wasn't made.
8:45 AM - Sep 14, 2017


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@RyanLizza
Trump this morning: one tweet insisting there's no deal and two tweets outlining the exact deal Pelosi and Schumer announced last night.
8:38 AM - Sep 14, 2017


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@keithboykin
Trump denies making a deal on DACA with Pelosi and Schumer last night. So is he lying or did he backtrack? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/908272007011282944
8:23 AM - Sep 14, 2017


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Scratching my head here because this legitimately sounds like the outlines of a DACA deal. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/908272007011282944
9:03 AM - Sep 14, 2017


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From my "saved to read/maybe post later" file ~ we must be vigilant in never forgetting that the DiC's "negotiable morality" is exceptionally fluid as well ~ :ey ~ Sooz

Opinion / Editorial
Morality Is Negotiable for Mr. Trump
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
September 15, 2017

This week President Trump reached a deal with Democrats to enshrine into law protections for young illegal immigrants brought to the United States as children. Within a matter of days, these young people went from fearing deportation to homelands some had never known, to having a potential shot at citizenship.

Did this mark the arrival of a new, compassionate, capable Donald Trump?

Sadly, probably not. Mr. Trump’s actions are rarely underpinned by principles, or a vision of who we are as a nation. Even on matters of near-perfect moral clarity, he is often transactional and capricious. If he does the right thing, there must be an angle.

His word is never final; it’s only the latest in a never-ending set of tactical adjustments made with one eye on his poll numbers, and the other on Fox News. If it benefits Mr. Trump personally to renege on this week’s tentative deal with Democrats and woo xenophobes and bigots instead of reviving the “Dream Act,” he will.

If his core supporters thought his sympathy for Dreamers was evidence that he was getting wobbly on immigration, he made clear they could still count on his sympathy for racists. Soon after Tim Scott of South Carolina, the Senate’s lone black Republican, privately scolded him for his “sterile” response to “hate groups who over three centuries of this country’s history have made it their mission to create upheaval in minority communities,” Mr. Trump once again asserted what he saw as an equivalence between the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville, Va., and those who aggressively opposed them. And while he did sign a congressional resolution denouncing these hate groups, his refusal to unequivocally reject them is what led to the unanimously approved measure to begin with.

It was Mr. Trump, too, who had placed those young immigrants in jeopardy of deportation last week, when he had his attorney general, Jeff Sessions, announce an end to President Barack Obama’s five-year-old executive order — Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals — which let them live, work and go to school in the United States. Almost immediately after Mr. Sessions denounced these “Dreamers” as job-stealers and potential gang members, Mr. Trump seemed to shift, amid a wave of outrage at the administration’s cruelty.

On Wednesday night, Mr. Trump had dinner with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leaders of the Senate and House, who later announced that the president had agreed to their proposal “to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly,” along with border security measures, but no border wall.

What followed the next day was the now familiar ping-ponging of tweets and contradictory assertions from Mr. Trump and others that threw Congress into chaos, as Republicans tried to parse what the president meant. There would be a path to citizenship, or there would be no such path? The wall was being built, or the wall would be built later?

Conservatives erupted. Ann Coulter, author of “In Trump We Trust,” unleashed a stream of protests, demanding that he be impeached.

Of course, Mr. Trump always saw the wall as more of a campaign slogan than a possibility. Even congressional Republicans are balking at handing him billions for a quixotic project that won’t be completed for years, if ever.

Amid Thursday’s uproar, the conservative Never-Trump stalwart William Kristol had sound advice on dealing with Mr. Trump.

“To liberals, centrists & conservatives,” he wrote, “work for good policies during Trump’s presidency; never lose sight of his unfitness to be president.”

No one should cheer Mr. Trump’s latest moves as a pivot toward principles. So far, his main operating principle seems to be service to himself.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/opinion/trump-daca-immigration-morality.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage


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Nope. It's an accident.


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Trump Issues Maximal Demands for DACA Deal
By JILL COLVIN Published October 8, 2017 10:05 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration released a list of hard-line immigration priorities on Sunday that threaten to derail efforts to protect from deportation hundreds of thousands of young immigrants, many of whom were brought into the U.S. illegally as children.

The demands include overhauling the country’s green-card system, hiring 10,000 more immigration officers and building President Donald Trump’s promised wall along the southern border. Many are policies Democrats have explicitly said are off the table.

But Trump administration officials said the president will insist on their passage in exchange for supporting legislation that would extend the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program.

“These priorities are essential to mitigate the legal and economic consequences of any grants or status to DACA recipients,” White House legislative affairs director Marc Short told reporters. “We’re asking that these reforms be included in any legislation concerning the status of DACA recipients.”

Initiated under President Barack Obama, DACA protected hundreds of thousands of young people from deportation and allowed them to continue working legally in the U.S. Trump announced a phase-out of the program last month, but he has given Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix.

Included on the list of demands: limiting family-based green cards to spouses and the minor children of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents and creating a point-based system.

The White House also said it wants to boost fees at border crossings, make it easier to deport gang members and unaccompanied children, and overhaul the asylum system. And it wants new measures to crack down on “sanctuary cities,” which don’t share information with federal immigration authorities, among other proposals.

Democrats vehemently oppose many of the demands laid out in the administration list.

In a joint statement, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said the list “goes so far beyond what is reasonable” and “fails to represent any attempt at compromise.

“The Administration can’t be serious about compromise or helping the Dreamers if they begin with a list that is anathema to the Dreamers, to the immigrant community and to the vast majority of Americans,” they wrote.

“If the President was serious about protecting the Dreamers, his staff has not made a good faith effort to do so,” they said.

Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, accused the administration of trying to “use Dreamers as bargaining chips to achieve the administration’s deportation and detention goals.”

“Congress should reject this warped, anti-immigrant policy wish list,” he said, adding: “Immigrants are humans; we should craft policies that treat them as such.”

House Speaker Paul Ryan’s spokesman Doug Andres said the House immigration working group will review the list and consult with Republican members and the administration.

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Frankly, if I were Schumer or Pelosi I would be wondering exactly where in my back Grabem was going to stick the knife.


Did I call it or did I call it? Why in the world anyone would ever consider negotiating with this guy I have no clue. His word isn't worth the hamburger grease it's scratched in.


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The Trump administration rejected 4,000 “late” DACA renewals. Some were sitting in its mailbox at the deadline.
New allegations in a DACA lawsuit, and reports from lawyers, reveal many immigrants were punished despite doing everything right.
Updated by Dara Lind Nov 15, 2017, 10:40am EST

It’s beginning to look like a lot of immigrants were denied one last renewal of their deportation protections under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program — even though they made good-faith efforts to file their paperwork.

A mysterious mail slowdown, which the New York Times reported on last week, appears to have affected at least 74 DACA recipients in the New York City area and Chicago. But the problem may be much bigger than that.

The plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the Trump administration (in a motion filed Tuesday in the Eastern District of New York and shared with Vox) allege that many more DACA renewal applications did arrive in a United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) mailbox on October 5 — and were rejected as late anyway.

In interviews with the plaintiffs and with other immigration lawyers, Vox has confirmed at least 19 cases, at two of the three mailboxes that USCIS used to accept DACA applications, where applications were placed in the mailbox in the late afternoon or evening of October 5 but marked as “received” on October 6.

The scale of the problem indicates there are likely to be dozens or hundreds more, and that applications sitting in the mailbox on October 5 could represent a substantial portion of the 4,000 DACA renewal applications the government says it received late. (At press time, USCIS had not responded to requests for comment about specific allegations.)

Furthermore, the plaintiffs — led by the advocacy groups Make the Road New York and the National Immigration Law Center, as well as lawyers and law students from Yale Law School — allege that some applications that USCIS had received earlier were rejected for reasons the plaintiffs in the lawsuit argue are “arbitrary.” One applicant, the lawsuit alleges, got her renewal application rejected because a USCIS employee misread the date on her check.

“A lot of people would have thought, ‘If I get them to them on the address they give me, by the day they say I should send it by, that’s enough,’” says Kate Voigt, the associate director for government relations of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. But it wasn’t. The discrepancy, the plaintiffs in the lawsuit argue, constitutes a violation of the Fifth Amendment’s right of due process.

The claims in the lawsuit, and those made by the other lawyers Vox has talked to, raise concerns that USCIS is being stricter than usual with DACA renewals — and perhaps arbitrarily denying them. It definitely makes it clear that many DACA recipients, who President Donald Trump has claimed would be safe until March 5, are going to lose their protections from deportation and work permits before that, despite doing everything the government asked them to.

The Trump administration counted some applications that were in its mailbox by the deadline as “late”

Many of the 690,000 immigrants who had DACA protections as of the end of the program weren’t eligible to renew their protections at all. Only immigrants who were set to lose their work permits before March 5, 2018 — the “deadline” Trump used to try to press Congress to permanently address DACA recipients — were eligible to apply for one last two-year renewal of their work permit and deportation protections.

Those applications had to be received by USCIS — not postmarked — by October 5, only a month after the Trump administration announced it was ending the program.

USCIS has announced that 132,000 immigrants got their applications in on time. In an October 18 deposition for a lawsuit over the end of DACA (filed in the Eastern District of New York by a coalition of advocacy groups), a USCIS official added that another 4,000 applications came in late — and were being rejected accordingly.

But it turns out that the Trump administration’s definition of “late” included some applications that had arrived in its mailbox by the deadline.

When an immigrant sends an application to USCIS, she’s actually sending it to be processed at one of a few service centers around the country — depending on what specifically she’s applying for, and where she lives. But if she mails the application, she’s not actually sending it directly to the service center. She’s sending it to a PO box — a “lockbox” — whose contents are then picked up by employees of the Department of the Treasury and delivered to USCIS employees.

In most cases, the complicated process isn’t a problem because the application is considered on time as long as it’s postmarked by the deadline. The Trump administration decided that DACA renewals would have to be received by the deadline — and put out several statements to that effect.

The question is what counts as “received.”

Evidence indicates that the Trump administration only accepted applications that had been delivered to it from the USCIS “lockbox” by the afternoon of October 5. Applications that arrived in the “lockbox” as of 5:23 pm on the 5th — as documented by certified mail receipts — were picked up on October 6, and rejected.

The motion in the lawsuit, filed Tuesday, alleges that the upshot of this is that USCIS decided that “not all applications received by October 5, 2017 would be accepted” — that there was a deadline of a particular time of day on October 5 — without actually telling applicants what time that was.

Make the Road New York, an advocacy group and plaintiff in the lawsuit, has identified nine applicants who fell into the deadline gap, including one woman whose DACA protections are about to expire on November 24 because her application was delivered to the Chicago lockbox at 6:01 pm on October 5.

Susanne Susany, a Pittsburgh lawyer, has a certified mail printout showing that her client’s application “arrived at [the] unit” at 5:23 pm on October 5 and was available for pickup as of 5:41 pm, but wasn’t picked up until 3:30 pm on October 6.

The American Immigration Lawyers Association has identified about “10 to 15” more applications that fell into the gap after being left overnight at the Dallas lockbox. The fact that this happened at multiple service centers indicates that USCIS staff might have been instructed by leadership not to accept any applications they saw after the deadline, regardless of when they’d come to the lockbox.

Steve Blando, a spokesperson for USCIS, says that “according to USCIS regulations, a request is considered received by USCIS as of the actual date of receipt at the location (the lockbox) for filing such request.” But that actually refers to when the courier service receives the applications from the lockbox — not when the applications are received at the lockbox. “The courier service picks up twice daily with a morning run, and Express mail items are picked up during an afternoon run; both runs are considered ‘received’ that day,” Blando told Vox.

That doesn’t mean the government couldn’t decide to count applications dropped in the lockbox by the evening of the deadline as “received” in time. “In my experience,” says Voigt, even if the formal receipt of the application was officially dated the next day, USCIS would change it “if we brought it to their attention that it was actually delivered to the PO box the day before.”

“If it has been proven delivered to the USCIS address by the deadline, you’re good,” says immigration lawyer Greg Siskind about his experience in other types of cases.

Even if the application is originally rejected, Voigt and other lawyers say, there’s usually an opportunity for the applicant to prove it was submitted on time. Federal law even provides for those opportunities in some cases. (For example, applications for asylum can be considered even if they arrive after the one-year anniversary of an immigrant’s arrival in the US, as long as the immigrant can prove they were postmarked by that date.)

The fundamental problem, Voigt says, is that “obviously, the applicant does not know the pickup time that USCIS sets. There’s no way they would know what time they would have to have their application to the PO box by.”

“It’s extremely unfair to the applicants who have no control over when USCIS picks up their things,” says Amy Taylor, the legal director of Make the Road New York.

A mail delay could have affected many more applications than first thought

What’s particularly frustrating to many of those immigrants is that their applications weren’t sent at the last minute. They were sent days or weeks in advance. (One applicant cited in the lawsuit mailed in her application on September 14, three weeks before the deadline.) The only reason that some applications arrived at the Chicago lockbox after 6 pm on October 5 to begin with is that they’d been derailed by a “slowdown” at the United States Postal Service’s Chicago processing center.

It’s impossible to know how many applications were doomed by the Postal Service. But it’s entirely possible that the answer is in the hundreds.

On Friday, the New York Times’s Liz Robbins reported that more than 50 DACA recipients had been victimized by the mail slowdown in New York City and Chicago. But applications were coming into USCIS’s Chicago service center — and, therefore, being routed through the Chicago postal center — from all over the US. Immigrants in 28 states were told to send their DACA renewal applications to Chicago; immigrants from those states, which included everywhere from North Carolina to Colorado, accounted for more than a third (38 percent) of the people who got initial DACA grants while the program was in effect.

Advocates are still trying to get a sense of the scope of the mail snafu. But Vox has confirmed that the mail delay affected immigrants in at least two more states.

In Pittsburgh, Susanne Susany mailed her client’s application on September 11. She thought everything was fine until the end of October, when the whole package was returned to her.

She discovered (via checking the certified-mail tracking page) that the application was in transit to Chicago as of 9:16 am on September 15, but didn’t officially arrive at the facility until 3:38 pm on October 3. (The delays reported in New York and Chicago followed a similar pattern.) It then took two more days to get to the lockbox, by which time it was too late.

When Susany called the Postal Service to complain, she says, they shrugged, “We’re sorry, but we don’t guarantee the day it will arrive.”

Another application, according to Claudia Castaneda-Flamenco of the Nevada advocacy group PLAN, was sent from Reno on September 28 but didn’t get to the lockbox until October 17.

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A partial record of the application mailed by lawyer Susanne Susany from Pittsburgh on September 11. Via Susanne Susany

It’s not clear whether the USCIS official’s statement on October 18 that there were 4,000 late applications included applications that had been received only the day before. (USCIS did not respond to a request to clarify this by press time.) If it didn’t, the Nevada case opens the possibility that thousands more applications were received late than the government has yet acknowledged, and that many of those may have been sent on time.

The Postal Service has taken full responsibility for the delays. But advocates and immigration lawyers argue that the problem could have been prevented if USCIS had agreed to accept all applications postmarked by October 5, as the agency often does.

The Department of Homeland Security had at least some flexibility in accepting late applications. In his October 18 deposition, the USCIS official said that six late applications had been accepted because Hurricane Maria had caused them to be delayed.

When it came to the Postal Service’s man-made disaster, though, DHS is showing much less flexibility — even though applicants had no share of the blame.

The Trump administration’s DACA wind-down is not as generous as the president has sometimes claimed

Just having an application in on time doesn’t guarantee that the application will be approved.

Most DACA recipients whose applications were picked up by USCIS by October 5 haven’t heard back about their ultimate fates yet. But the administration’s conduct so far hasn’t suggested it’s going to be particularly lenient in extending DACA recipients’ protections through late 2019 or early 2020, rather than allowing them to expire over the next few months.

This, too, might not be because of anything the applicant herself did.

A New York DACA recipient, represented in the Make the Road New York lawsuit, received a rejection on October 4 — with a note explaining that the application had been rejected because the date on the check she’d sent was “not current.” Her lawyers eventually figured out that the clerk who’d processed the application had read the “2017” on the check as “2012.” By the time they had resent the application with a new check (just to be sure), it was rejected for being too late.

The government has a lot of discretion when it comes to DACA. (Ironically, this is why the Obama administration argued the program was constitutional, while conservatives like Sessions argued that it was really a rubber stamp.) But the advocates suing the administration are arguing that that power has to have some limits when it comes to disrupting peoples’ lives — that the government has to show more due process than it’s showing right now.

But even if the Trump administration can use its discretion to be as stingy as possible in granting renewals of DACA status, it’s still a choice they’re making. And that choice isn’t consistent with the message from Trump administration officials — including the president himself and Homeland Security secretary nominee Kirstjen Nielsen — that the White House had to end DACA for legal reasons, but deliberately delayed its end for six months to give Congress a chance to pass a “permanent solution.”

If the Trump administration really designed the end of DACA to postpone the end of the program for six months for as many immigrants as possible, it is doing a terrible job.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16650400/daca-renewal-deadline-rejected-lockbox-uscis


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Federal Judge Blocks Trump Admin’s Decision To Rescind DACA
By Sudhin Thanawala and Andrew Dalton | January 10, 2018 6:28 am

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday night temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s decision to end a program protecting young immigrants from deportation.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup granted a request by California and other plaintiffs to prevent President Donald Trump from ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program while their lawsuits play out in court.

Alsup said lawyers in favor of DACA clearly demonstrated that the young immigrants “were likely to suffer serious, irreparable harm” without court action. The judge also said the lawyers have a strong chance of succeeding at trial.

DACA has protected about 800,000 people who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children or came with families who overstayed visas. The program includes hundreds of thousands of college-age students.

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in September that the program would be phased out, saying former President Barack Obama had exceeded his authority when he implemented it in 2012.

On Tuesday, the Department of Justice said the judge’s decision doesn’t change the fact that the program was an illegal circumvention of Congress, and it is within the agency’s power to end it.

“The Justice Department will continue to vigorously defend this position, and looks forward to vindicating its position in further litigation,” department spokesman Devin O’Malley said in a statement.

Sessions’ move to phase out DACA sparked a flurry of lawsuits nationwide.

Alsup considered five separate lawsuits filed in Northern California, including one by California and three other states, and another by the governing board of the University of California school system.

“DACA covers a class of immigrants whose presence, seemingly all agree, pose the least, if any, threat and allows them to sign up for honest labor on the condition of continued good behavior,” Alsup wrote in his decision. “This has become an important program for DACA recipients and their families, for the employers who hire them, for our tax treasuries, and for our economy.”

That echoed the judge’s comments from a court hearing on Dec. 20, when he grilled an attorney for the Department of Justice over the government’s justification for ending DACA, saying many people had come to rely on it and faced a “real” and “palpable” hardship from its loss.

Alsup also questioned whether the administration had conducted a thorough review before ending the program.

Brad Rosenberg, a Justice Department attorney, said the administration considered the effects of ending DACA and decided to phase it out over time instead of cutting it immediately.

DACA recipients will be allowed to stay in the U.S. for the remainder of their two-year authorizations. Any recipient whose status was due to expire within six months also got a month to apply for another two-year term.

The Justice Department said in court documents that DACA was facing the possibility of an abrupt end by court order, but Alsup was critical of that argument.

People took out loans, enrolled in school and even made decisions about whether to get married and start families on the basis of DACA and now face “horrific” consequences from the loss of the program, said Jeffrey Davidson, an attorney for the University of California governing board.

“The government considered none of this at all when they decided to rescind DACA,” he said at the hearing.

The University of California said in a statement after the decision that “UC’s DACA students represent the very best of our country and are a key part of California and our nation’s future.”

The statement says the UC system will persist in legal challenges to the end of the program and will seek permanent protection for the young immigrants.

DACA recipients are commonly referred to as “dreamers,” based on never-passed proposals in Congress called the DREAM Act that would have provided similar protections for young immigrants.

“Dreamers lives were thrown into chaos when the Trump administration tried to terminate the DACA program without obeying the law,” California Attorney General Becerra said in a statement after Tuesday’s decision. “Tonight’s ruling is a huge step in the right direction.”

Dalton reported from Los Angeles.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-decision-end-daca


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The one thing that has to be remembered about DACA and Grabem. DACA is an Obama policy that is extremely popular. That means, in the orange one's eyes, that it has to go. It could be replaced but only by something that he can put his name on.

It's like the tax legislation. He really had nothing to do with it. Didn't even know what was in it until after it was passed. But now it's his tax cut. (It won't be his anymore when the bill comes due and Congress start working on a budget that slashes government services and drives the deficit through the roof. Then it will be the fault of the Dems who wouldn't work with him in MAGAing.)


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