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PostPosted: 10/07/19 7:48 am • # 1 
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I'm a believer that every loss for the DiC is a win for we-the-people ~ this just might be the pulled thread that begins the unraveling of his "empire" ~ fingers, toes, arms, legs, eyes and various other body parts crossed! ~ Sooz

Trump loses legal battle over tax returns after judge orders accounting firm to turn over documents
Published on October 7, 2019
By Travis Gettys

A federal judge rejected an unusual challenge from President Donald Trump and ordered his accounting firm to turn over his corporate and personal tax returns dating back nearly a decade.

The Justice Department came to the president’s aid last week and asked the judge to block a subpoena for the records until a court could consider constitutional issues in the case, and Trump’s attorney basically demanded the judge rule early Monday morning, reported the New York Times.

“After 9 a.m.,” Trump’s lawyer wrote, “the president will not have enough time to seek relief from the Second Circuit before (accounting firm) Mazars discloses his confidential information.”

Judge Victor Marrero rejected the president’s argument just minutes ahead of that deadline, allowing Manhattan prosecutors to subpoena Trump tax returns dating back to 2011.

Manhattan district attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. has been investigating whether Trump broke New York tax laws by reimbursing his former personal layer Michael Cohen for payoffs to porn actress Story Daniels just weeks before the 2016 election.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/trump-loses-legal-battle-over-tax-returns-after-judge-orders-accounting-firm-to-turn-over-documents/


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PostPosted: 10/07/19 8:02 am • # 2 
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Here's more ~ this federal judge is NOT playing around ~ GOOD!!! ~ Sooz

Trump Ordered To Comply With State Subpoena Of His Tax Returns
By Josh Kovensky | October 7, 2019 9:15 am

A New York federal judge blocked an attempt from President Donald Trump to halt a subpoena issued by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office for eight years of his tax returns on Monday.

Personal attorneys for the President immediately filed a notice of appeal, sending the case to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.

U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero described Trump’s argument that it’s illegal to investigate the President “extraordinary,” saying that it would lead to immunity for “any conduct, at any time, in any forum, whether federal or state, and whether the President acted alone or in concert with other individuals.”

Marrero went on to address the vast implications of Trump’s argument. A President immune from any kind of criminal process would, the judge wrote, “frustrate the administration of justice,” allowing “both the President and any accomplices to escape being brought to justice.”

Trump had based his argument in part on the notion that a criminal investigation would hinder the performance of a President’s duties to an unacceptable degree. But Marrero dismissed that concern, saying “certainly lengthy imprisonment upon conviction would produce that result” and that Trump’s “sweeping” theory lacked support in the Constitution.

The Manhattan federal judge also tried to place Trump’s argument in historical context, noting that the framers shunned “the concept of of the inviolability of the person of the King of England and the bounds of the monarch’s protective screen covering the Crown’s actions from legal scrutiny.”

Trump’s argument, in Marrero’s view, advances an argument that the country’s founders rejected “at the inception of the Republic” – that “not only the President, but, derivatively, relatives and persons and business entities associated with him in potentially unlawful private activities, are in fact above the law.”

Marrero added that the argument was “repugnant to the nation’s governmental structure and constitutional values.”

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance had issued the subpoena in August. Trump sued in an attempt to block the demand last month.

Read the decision here: [the interactive decision is accessible via the end link]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/judge-denies-trump-bid-to-block-tax-return-subpoena-by-manhattan-prosecutor


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PostPosted: 10/07/19 8:20 am • # 3 
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Here's still more ~ FTR, I have not yet read thru the ruling ~ Sooz

Trump suffers key court defeat on keeping his tax returns hidden
10/07/19 10:00 AM
By Steve Benen

[Video, The Rachel Maddow Show, 9/19/19, 9:06 PM ET, "Trump lawyers argue Trump can't be investigated or prosecuted", accessible via the end link.]

As of this morning, we’re one step closer to seeing Donald Trump’s hidden tax returns.

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A federal judge Monday rejected President Donald Trump’s claim that he was immune from criminal investigations as part of his bid to block a subpoena from the Manhattan district attorney seeking eight years of personal and business tax returns.

The judge, Victor Marrero, tossed the lawsuit Trump’s legal team brought against District Attorney Cyrus Vance that argued Vance should not receive Trump’s tax returns because “’[v]irtually all legal commenters agree’ that a sitting President of the United States is not ‘subject to the criminal process’ while he is in office.”

Because there are so many legal disputes surrounding Donald Trump’s secret tax materials, it’s easy to lose track of which one is which, so let’s quickly review what this case is all about.

About a month ago, the Manhattan district attorney’s office sent a grand jury subpoena to Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA, to obtain his personal and corporate tax returns for the past eight years. It’s part of an investigation into Trump’s hush-money controversy involving pre-election payments to his alleged former mistresses, which helped put the president’s former personal attorney in prison.

Prosecutors are exploring whether the president’s business falsified records to obscure the purpose of Trump’s payment to Stormy Daniels.

As Matt Stieb noted, “Unlike previous subpoenas, this one is in the context of a criminal investigation with a sitting grand jury, making it more difficult for the president’s lawyers to dodge this filing with a lawsuit.”

And yet, Trump’s lawyers – hired specifically to help keep his tax returns secret – filed suit anyway and brought a rather bizarre argument to a federal courtroom.

As Rachel noted on the show recently, Trump’s legal team insisted that a sitting American president cannot be investigated by anyone for any reason, no matter how serious the underlying accusation.

Not surprisingly, Judge Marrero didn’t find this especially persuasive, dismissing the argument as “unqualified and boundless,” adding, “This Court cannot endorse such a categorical and limitless assertion of presidential immunity from” the judicial process.

The full 75-page ruling is online here (pdf).

As of this minute, Trump’s legal defeat means the grand jury subpoena can be enforced, though the president’s attorneys are filing an emergency appeal with the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in the hopes of maintaining the secrecy of his tax returns a little longer.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-suffers-key-court-defeat-keeping-his-tax-returns-hidden


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PostPosted: 10/07/19 12:27 pm • # 4 
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i heart NY.


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PostPosted: 10/09/19 9:05 am • # 5 
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i heart NY.

I do too, mac ~ hopefully, we won't both be disappointed ~ the DiC's posse of attorneys filed an emergency appeal, and a stay was granted until a full Appeals Court panel can review the case ~ more deflection/obstruction ~ :ey

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i heart NY.

I do too, mac ~ hopefully, we won't both be disappointed ~ the DiC's posse of attorneys filed an emergency appeal, and a stay was granted until a full Appeals Court panel can review the case ~ more deflection/obstruction ~ :ey

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They'll keep deflecting and stalling until he's safely out of office and trying to bully the devil into letting him build a tower and golf course in Hell. Only for the Satanic elite, of course.


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PostPosted: 10/09/19 8:55 pm • # 7 
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it FEELS like he is working himself into a corner.

but I don't trust my feelings anymore.


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PostPosted: 10/11/19 10:03 am • # 8 
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This is GOOD NEWS [for the moment] on the other half [the "financial records" vs the "tax returns"] of the subpoenas ~ Sooz

Appeals Court Upholds House Subpoena Of Trump Financial Records
By Matt Shuham | October 11, 2019 10:34 am

President Donald Trump has lost his bid in the Washington, D.C. federal appeals court to shield his financial records from Congress.

The ruling comes just a few days after the President lost his bid in a New York federal district court to block the release of his tax returns.

The three-judge appeals panel split 2-1. D.C. Circuit Court Judge David S. Tatel wrote the opinion for the court and Judge Neomi Rao dissented.

Asked Friday whether the President would appeal, Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow told TPM, “We are reviewing the opinion and evaluating all appellate options.”

The D.C. case dates back to April, when the House Oversight Committee subpoenaed Mazars for Trump’s records.

Trump took the unusual step of hiring outside attorneys in the case, who argued against the release of Trump’s financial records. District Judge Amit Mehta upheld the subpoena in May, and Trump appealed.

Trump’s lawyers argued that Congress’ subpoena was an improper attempt to seize law enforcement authority, rather than an exercise in congressional oversight as Democrats have asserted.

The appeals court found that, regardless of motive or potential criminal conduct that could be exposed in the documents, Congress had a valid legislative aim in seeking the records.

“[P]ublic record reveals legitimate legislative pursuits, not an impermissible law-enforcement purpose, behind the Committee’s subpoena,” Tatel wrote.

Read Tatel and Rao’s opinions below: [interactive decision accessible via the end link]

Tierney Sneed contributed reporting from Washington, D.C.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/appeals-court-rules-against-trump-for-house-subpoena-for-financial-records


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That was freakin' quick. I thought it would be next year before they even heard the case.


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The DiC's legal defeats are adding up ~ :st ~ Sooz

Trump Loses Bid For Full Appeals Court Review Of House Subpoena For His Tax Returns
By Tierney Sneed | November 14, 2019 9:37 a.m.

President Trump failed to convince the full D.C. U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to review a decision upholding a congressional subpoena of his tax returns, setting the stage for a potential Supreme Court showdown over the issue.

A three-judge panel of the appeals court previously upheld the subpoena, which was issued to Trump’s accounting firm Mazars by the House Oversight Committee in April.

Trump had appealed that decision en banc — meaning to the entire appeals court — and by a 8-3 vote, the full D.C. Circuit declined to take up the case.

The full appeals court had said earlier in the litigation that it would pause its ultimate order for seven days to give Trump time to appeal it to the Supreme Court. Trump brought the lawsuit against Mazars in his personal capacity.

The three appellate judges who would have reviewed the case were all Republican appointees, and two of them were Trump appointees who previously worked in the Trump administration.

Trump’s personal lawyer Jay Sekulow told the Washington Post Wednesday evening that Trump “will be seeking review at the Supreme Court.”

Read the order with the dissents below: [7-pp interactive order accessible via the end link]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-tax-returns-mazars-en-banc-denial


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I wonder if the tax returns would even tell that much. Most of his stuff would be dealt with under his companies rather than his personal returns. I know with Canadian personal returns anyway all they are is sums. They don't say much about your businesses or lifestyle.


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they won't expose any criminality, imo.


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Then what is he hiding?
That his net income was 48000 bucks a year?


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PostPosted: 11/15/19 7:28 pm • # 14 
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my guess is that it is something like that, jab.

it is something EMBARASSING, not criminal.

like, the man is a broke grifter.


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If he had only $48,000 income, he would leap into the limelight and shout to his masses about how smart he is to be able to play the system. They would believe his and swoon at his feet.


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Major red flags found in Trump’s taxes — and now New York City wants a criminal investigation
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New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said Friday that he had asked Manhattan’s district attorney to investigate discrepancies ProPublica and WNYC revealed last fall between what President Donald Trump’s company reported in filings to city tax officials and what it reported in loan filings. The discrepancies made his properties seem more profitable to a lender and less profitable to the city’s tax authorities.

After ProPublica published its findings, de Blasio said Friday, the city decided to examine the issues. That process resulted in one matter being turned over to the district attorney in November. De Blasio said he made the referral “because there is a possibility of a criminal act having been committed.” The referral related to Trump’s historic downtown skyscraper at 40 Wall Street, a city spokeswoman added.

De Blasio’s comments came during a conversation with WNYC reporter and “Trump, Inc.” podcast co-host Ilya Marritz on the “Ask the Mayor” segment of “The Brian Lehrer Show.” De Blasio, who ended a presidential bid in September, said Trump’s efforts to avoid taxes have gone beyond the measures taken by most wealthy Americans. He “consistently has believed he was above the law, even before he was president,” de Blasio said. “So this is a real problem, and I think there could be some real exposure here.”

In an emailed statement, a Trump Organization spokeswoman blasted de Blasio for “using the power of his office to try and launch an investigation into his political opponent.” The statement called the allegations “unfounded and clearly motivated by politics.”

A mayoral spokeswoman said that “the Manhattan DA is the proper jurisdiction to investigate these claims, as the city can only review what is directly reported to us. The DA has the jurisdiction to take appropriate steps if they find wrongdoing.” The city’s Department of Finance could also pursue back taxes if it concluded Trump’s company had underpaid, but such information is confidential, according to a spokesperson for the department.

A spokesman for Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. declined to comment.

For its October article, ProPublica used New York’s Freedom of Information Law to request records from Trump’s property tax appeals for four buildings, among them 40 Wall Street, Trump Tower and the Trump International Hotel and Tower. ProPublica compared those records with loan documents that became public when Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, sold the debt on his properties as part of mortgage-backed securities. Both sets of records list multiple real estate and financial metrics, including occupancy, income and expenses.

In the case of 40 Wall Street, for example, documents intended for investors showed a striking rise in occupancy, illustrating the sort of “leasing momentum” that lenders and investors like to see. The company had told a lender that 40 Wall Street was 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, rising to 95% a few years later. But in filings with tax officials, the company reported it was already 81% leased as of Jan. 5, 2013.

A refinancing occurred in 2015, but as of 2018, the building had not met underwriters’ profit expectations, spending three months on a servicer’s “watch list” in 2016 because of lagging profit.

The story also found that in the lender’s reports, the building cited lower expenditures for property insurance and a ground lease than it did in filings made to tax officials some years. That made 40 Wall Street appear more profitable to lenders than it did to tax authorities.

A subsequent ProPublica story found that Trump Tower’s tax and loan filings also exhibited inconsistencies, even as to how much space the Trump’s company occupied in Trump Tower. The tower’s overall occupancy rate during three consecutive years appeared 11, 16 and 16 percentage points higher in filings to a lender than in reports to city tax officials, records showed.

Trump Organization attributed the discrepancies to differences in the reporting requirements for preparing tax submissions and loan submissions.

The city’s Tax Commission, which handles property tax appeals, also reviewed submissions by Trump’s company for space it owns in the Trump International Hotel and Tower, a person knowledgeable about the commission said. Trump’s company had failed to report income from antennae it rents on the roof. The commission’s examination, according to the person, found no problem.

Last year, former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, who is now in prison, testified before Congress that Trump sometimes boosted the value of his assets in documents given to lenders in order to secure loans and reduced those values to lower their tax value. The Trump Organization and Trump himself are fighting multiple subpoenas for financial and tax records.

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I'm beginning to sense Trump's down fall, esp. in light of his dealings with Deutsche Bank and those who guaranteed loans (Russian oligarchs connected to Putin?).


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PostPosted: 01/11/20 2:47 pm • # 18 
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Pretty sure I posted this before but it's worth a read

How Trump used financial documents to exaggerate his wealth and hide debts


https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi- ... story.html


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PostPosted: 01/12/20 6:52 pm • # 19 
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well, the guy is constantly gaming the system. it is only a matter of time before someone finds SOMETHING criminal in all of that.

skirting the law is a very liberal tactic. I try to be quite conservative in my business dealings.


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Stolen from another board - this article dates to 1990

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June 25, 1990, David Johnston, Knight-Ridder NewspapersCHICAGO TRIBUNE

Bankers are taking such complete charge of Donald Trump`s business and personal finances that they are putting him on an allowance, confidential documents made available to the Philadelphia Inquirer show.

The documents, dated Friday and made available over the weekend, show that banks, as conditions for lending Trump $65 million more to ease his cash crunch, will name two executives to run the Trump empire, bar him from moving money among his companies without the banks` permission and limit him to a $450,000 allowance for ''personal and household spending.''

That`s $450,000 per month, not per year.

The $5.4 million personal budget for this year results from a month of hard, dawn-to-dusk negotiations with lenders.

At least 50 banks from Newark, N.J., to Dresden, East Germany, to Tokyo are demanding radical spending cuts, both in Trump`s personal life and his business empire.

Trump, revered by many as the greatest living hero of economic freedom, is submitting to the bankers` financial shackles because he cannot come up with enough cash to pay interest on more than $3.3 billion he borrowed from banks and junk bond buyers.

By making new loans, the banks hope to get past the immediate financial crisis, giving them time to sell off unprofitable pieces of the Trump empire at better than fire-sale prices.

In effect, Trump is engaged in a privately negotiated bankruptcy at which the banks are presiding.

When an accord is reached, and if the downsized Trump Organization then can pay its bills, Trump will have escaped the financial and emotional consequences of having a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge liquidate his assets. Indeed, the developer who says deals are his art form is likely to emerge from successful negotiations wealthy, though not fabulously so.

Ten days ago, Trump defaulted on $325 million of Trump Castle Casino Resort mortgage bonds for the Atlantic City, N.J., property. He has until Tuesday to cure the default without risk that bondholders can force the casino into bankruptcy court. Sources familiar with the talks expressed optimism Sunday that the $22 million principal payment plus $20 million in interest would be made by Tuesday or perhaps within a few days after that.

Trump and the banks also have agreed that in years to come the Trump lifestyle must be scaled back drastically.

This year`s $5.4 million personal allowance will be cut to $4.5 million next year and $3 million annually starting in 1992. Trump will be required to produce receipts for all personal and household expenses.

That is certain to put a serious crimp in a free-spending lifestyle that included a 284-foot yacht that he says is too small, a Boeing 727, a helicopter and a Florida mansion with 118 rooms.

Interest payments and upkeep on his Florida place, Mar-A-Lago, cost about $2 million a year-and it is his third home. He also has a Trump Tower penthouse and a Connecticut mansion.

Obviously, some of these trophies will have to go. The Trump Princess yacht, the jet and the copter already are for sale. Trump has insisted in interviews that he never would sell Mar-A-Lago, but that was before bankers encamped in his office last month.

He also will get a salary, not to exceed $200,000. The documents suggest that the salary is an annual figure, but it may be monthly, in which case he would receive up to $2.4 million per year, before taxes, that he could spend without requiring the approval of his bankers.

There is no provision listed for cost-of-living increases, and the tentative agreement bars Trump from receiving fees for being a director of any of the dozens of corporations and partnerships solely owned by him. He cannot be paid bonuses, not even for outstanding performance.

On the business side of the negotiations, the banks have agreed to let Trump go into the casino business in Las Vegas, provided there is outside financing they deem acceptable.

But banks also demanded concessions, and the nature of them, as revealed in the documents, shows that like many entrepreneurs Trump operates his umbrella company without strong financial controls and little or no long-range planning.

One provision, for example, requires Trump to ''install and maintain a system of accounting controls and business planning, including appropriate staffing, by no later than Sept. 30, 1990.''

According to the documents, Trump will not be allowed to transfer money between the dozens of legally separate but economically linked companies that are solely owned by him without the written permission of the banks. Likewise, he will not be allowed to sell assets, sign leases or take on new debt without the banks` permission.

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I especially like Duke Lukas' comment


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Arrogance incarnate: To withhold his financial records, President Trump’s attorneys try to sell the Supreme Court on an absurdity
By DAILY NEWS EDITORIAL BOARD

When running for president in 2016, Donald Trump should have disclosed his tax returns. He promised to, then made up excuses and refused. As president since 2017, he should have disclosed his tax returns. Again, he refused.

He never has and never will, because Trump believes his financial entanglements and conflicts are none of the public’s damn business.

Though galling, though corrosive to trust in government, it was his right to flout convention. It’s not his right to break the law.

Today, his lawyers will tell the U.S. Supreme Court that Trump can withhold his personal financial records from a Manhattan grand jury and congressional probers, despite those requests putting no burden whatsoever on the president and despite the respective authorities standing on legally solid ground, and being sworn to secrecy.

Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance, looking at possible criminality related to Trump’s hush money payment to women, served a subpoena on Trump accountant Mazars. Trump sued in Manhattan federal court, insanely asserting that presidents are immune to even being investigated. Trump lost and lost on appeal.

The same Manhattan appeals court also correctly upheld the power of two House committees to compel Deutsche Bank and Capital One to produce Trump’s documents.

A third appeals ruling, in DC, sustained yet another judge’s decision against Trump that a third House panel could force Mazars to cough up the papers.

Trump is 0-3 on appeals.

The Big Nine should make it a unanimous sweep. Say it together, liberals and conservatives: The law applies to everyone.

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I can see the grand jury angle but I'm not so sure about a legal requirement to going public.


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Argument analysis: A marathon debate, and no clear winners, in debate over Trump tax returns

https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/05/argu ... x-returns/


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Supreme Court hears arguments about Trump tax returns

The Supreme Court heard arguments from two cases today involving subpoenas for Trump’s tax returns. Neal Katyal tells Lawrence O’Donnell that he thinks it’s possible the justices could rule against Trump in both cases because “in both cases, you had one fundamental overarching principle that the court cared about, which is no one is above the law.”

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/wat ... 3383365586

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“in both cases, you had one fundamental overarching principle that the court cared about, which is no one is above the law.”

If that's what the SCOTUS finds, there will be three of us who will be amazed - Trump, Barr and me.


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