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PostPosted: 10/08/20 6:56 pm • # 1 
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IF this is true, (I found the same story on several sites) I wonder how Trump and the xtians are going to justify/spin this?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/tr ... li=AAggFp4


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PostPosted: 10/08/20 7:49 pm • # 2 
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they will probably end up making the same case that Nancy Reagan did.

this tissue is going in the garbage, or saving lives.

the choice is not difficult.


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PostPosted: 10/09/20 7:08 am • # 3 
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What I'm asking mac is how can they, on one hand, be against abortion rights and on the other hand want to make use of the tissue to benefit <mostly> themselves. (we all know they don't care about others). IF this had been a pro choice President, don't you think they would be all over her/him about using it?


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PostPosted: 10/09/20 7:36 am • # 4 
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The church teachings on the subject aren't completely black and white

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The 2005 declaration urged parents to ask their physicians to use vaccines not derived from the cell lines of the fetuses aborted in the 1960s if such vaccines exist and, if they don’t, to write to pharmaceutical companies urging the development of alternate vaccines.

Nevertheless, it said, the church affirms it is morally licit to use the vaccines “in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one’s own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole, especially for pregnant women.”

The Pontifical Academy of Life’s updated statement, issued in July 2017 after a World Health Organization study showed a “progressive trend” against vaccinations in Italy, said that “the cell lines currently in use are very distant from the original abortions and no longer imply that bond of moral cooperation indispensable for an ethically negative evaluation of their use.”

“The technical characteristics of the production of the vaccines most commonly used in childhood lead us to exclude that there is a morally relevant cooperation between those who use these vaccines today and the practice of voluntary abortion,” the statement said.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/03/vat ... -children/


But that's in reference to the common vaccines in use today - they use cells from fetuses that were aborted in the 60's (64 &66)

Even then there have been lawsuits with people claiming that forcing them to be vaccinated using a vaccine developed from fetal tissue is a violation of their First Amendment Rights.

And that "acceptance" doesn't necessarily apply to vaccines currently under development

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Spanish Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera of Valencia made headlines when he described as a “work of the devil” attempts to find a COVID-19 vaccine using cell lines created from fetuses aborted voluntarily decades ago.

While his remarks June 14 at Mass in the Valencia cathedral were stronger than many others have used, the Vatican and bishops around the world have been urging governments and scientists to support the development of vaccines that have no connection to abortion.

http://thedialog.org/vatican-news/ethic ... n-bishops/


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PostPosted: 10/09/20 7:44 am • # 5 
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The church teachings on the subject aren't completely black and white


Church teachings are always black and white.... unless they aren't.


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PostPosted: 10/10/20 1:03 pm • # 6 
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I saw one church's answer last night. It went something like this: It was okay for Grabem to be treated with aborted stem cells because he wasn't involved in the abortion."

It was very similar to Nancy Reagan's "waste not, want not" excuse.


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PostPosted: 10/11/20 3:15 pm • # 7 
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do we KNOW he wasn't involved in abortion?

as much as that dog has fucked around, he has to be, imo.


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PostPosted: 10/13/20 10:49 am • # 8 
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I second that, Mac.

Shift, those are only Catholic teachings- the evangelicals and other christian cults have their own philosophies.Some are unwavering.


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PostPosted: 10/15/20 9:51 am • # 9 
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I'm beginning to wonder if Trump was created from aborted fetal tissue himself. :b


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PostPosted: 10/15/20 11:27 am • # 10 
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You would have to ask his German Dad.....or his American Dad......or his German Dad......Like so much else in his life, he's told so many lies that he doesn't even know where his father was born or if he even had a father (those millions had to come from somewhere) or if he just accumulated like a dust bunny under the bed.


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