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PostPosted: 06/24/22 2:11 pm • # 51 
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In a 6-3 decision Friday, the top court upheld a Mississippi law that would ban most abortions after the 15th week, effectively abolishing the legal precedent Roe v. Wade established in 1973.

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If Justice Roberts "sided with the court’s three liberal-leaning justices", how can it be a 6-3 decision?

The ruling in Dobbs was 6-3, but the rest of the decision to overturn Roe V Wade was 5-4 with Roberts writing his own dissent


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PostPosted: 06/24/22 3:24 pm • # 52 
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I just read an article about young women (college aged) have been stocking up on "Plan B" and condoms. They are distributing them to women on the campus when asked. I'm sure there are other women in the the US who are doing, or already have done this in preparation. I would call these women heroes. So encouraging to see young women be pro-active and worry about other women. One hears so much about the selfishness of that generation.


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PostPosted: 06/24/22 4:05 pm • # 53 
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Thomas needs to be thrown out. He's already made up his mind before there are even arguments presented.

Supreme Court's decision on abortion could open the door to overturn same-sex marriage, contraception and other major rulings

(CNN)The Supreme Court's opinion overturning Roe v. Wade on Friday could open the door for courts to overturn same-sex marriage, contraception and other rights.

It's already set off a debate among justices over whether overturning Roe puts those precedents in danger.
The majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito attempted to wall off its holding in Friday's abortion case from those other rulings, but Justice Clarence Thomas wrote separately to call explicitly for those other rulings to be revisited.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/politics ... index.html


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PostPosted: 06/24/22 5:17 pm • # 54 
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The only human rights ruling that Thomas doesn't want to see overturned is Loving v Virginia and that's because it's the only one that affects him personally.


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PostPosted: 06/25/22 3:02 am • # 55 
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Amid all the gloating, anti-abortion right dreams of bigger wins — and possible violence
On social media, far right dunks extensively, promises national abortion ban and "thousand-year White Boy Summer"


https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/amid-a ... -violence/


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PostPosted: 06/25/22 7:30 am • # 56 
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REAKING NEWS: Utah Republican Congresswoman Karianne Lisonbee says that she’s not worried about “controlling men’s ejaculations” to “stop unwanted pregnancies” because women can “control their intake of semen.” RT IF YOU THINK THAT SHE’S AN IDIOT!


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PostPosted: 06/25/22 7:33 am • # 57 
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The decision to overturn Roe could have economic ramifications.
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The Supreme Court’s decision on Friday to overturn Roe V. Wade could deal a blow to the financial well-being of women, whom economists argue bear steep economic burden from unwanted pregnancies.

The decision comes as the United States has for years struggled with pay disparities among women and men, and as the Biden administration has called for policies to broaden access to child care so that women can have more easily participate in the work force. Unwanted pregnancies increase the chance that women drop out of school or leave their jobs, eroding their earning potential and making it more likely that they require federal assistance.

Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen made this case last month after a leaked draft decision indicated that the Supreme Court was poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 case that established a constitutional right to abortion.

“I believe that eliminating the rights of women to make decisions about when and whether to have children would have very damaging effects on the economy and would set women back decades,” Ms. Yellen said during a hearing before the Senate Banking Committee in May.

A Brookings Institution report last year laid out some of the costs related to pregnancy that women face in the United States. A “motherhood wage penalty” and the high expense of child care can cause severe financial strain, the report said. Since low-income women are more likely to seek abortions, the new restrictions will place a more significant burden on them, widening income inequality.

In a 2020 study that analyzed the economic consequences of being denied an abortion, researchers found a “large increase in financial distress that is sustained for several years” and evidence of a short-term reduction in credit access.

“Abortion rights are economic rights, and this decision means the loss of economic security, independence, and mobility for abortion seekers,” Heidi Shierholz, president of the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute, said in a statement on Friday.

Ms. Yellen said in May that legalization of abortion helped lead to increased labor force participation among women, allowing more to finish school and increase their earning potential, and she pointed to economic research suggesting that those gains could be reversed if access to abortions are curbed.

“It makes clear that denying women access to abortion increases their odds of living in poverty or need for public assistance,” Ms. Yellen said of the research.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/24 ... ifications


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PostPosted: 06/25/22 10:05 am • # 58 
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The End of Roe Is a Bullet to the Heart of American Democracy
This Is Just the Beginning of the Theocratic Fascist State They Wanted All Along

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Today is one of the darkest days in American history. The end of Roe v Wade, which is the decision that legalized women’s reproductive healthcare rights in America, aka “abortion.”

A Supreme Court made up of fanatics and lunatics, whose vision is a fascist theocracy, has, in one fell swoop, eviscerated American democracy. Five people have taken the most basic of rights away from 330 million. 70%, by some counts, 80%, of Americans don’t want this. This is how a democracy ends.

Let me put in context just how incredibly dark this day really is. It’s one of the darkest in modern history, period. I can’t think of another example, certainly not in the developed world, where such fundamental rights, and so many of them, have been lost, for so many, in one fell swoop.

America went half a century backwards today — and more. That is an incredibly grim thing to see. It has almost never happened before in modern history, outside perhaps the Weimar Republic or the Soviet Union. This is how serious the stakes are.

What are those stakes? Let us all understand them with crystal clarity. This isn’t just “the end of abortion” — though that itself is huge. It is something much, much more grotesque than that. This is the end of a modern, free society for women in America. Yes, really. How so?

Anticipating this, Red State after Red State passed laws that were almost ludicrously Gilead-like. Women were to be informed on. Citizen-vigilantes were to be empowered to arrest them, sue them, deputize themselves as agents of a theocratic state. Women were to be policed by everyone. “Aiding and abetting” them was criminalized. The Morality Police of Iran or Saudi Arabia had arrived in America. That sounds bad enough, until you think about it, and then you understand what bad really is.

What does all that mean? Well, it means, for example, that ...

https://eand.co/the-end-of-roe-is-a-bul ... 9dfe5eb62b


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PostPosted: 06/25/22 10:21 am • # 59 
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Worse is yet to come. Thomas wants to legislate and, with the Senate at a virtual impasse over most things, will succeed.
If that's the case, perhaps the House can cut off the funding to the SCOTUS?


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PostPosted: 06/25/22 1:42 pm • # 60 
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PostPosted: 06/25/22 6:24 pm • # 61 
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People are taking notice

Samuel Jackson Rips 'Uncle Clarence' Thomas For Risking Interracial Marriage In Roe Reversal
"How's Uncle Clarence feeling about Overturning Loving v. Virginia?" the actor tweeted, referring to the 1967 ruling that protected interracial marriage.

Mary Papenfuss

Actor Samuel Jackson slammed Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as “Uncle Clarence” for jeopardizing the legal right to interracial marriage with the court’s decision Friday to overturn of Roe v. Wade.

The same rationale the conservative court employed to reverse the 1973 decision on abortion rights could now be used to eliminate the right to same-sex marriage, contraception and interracial marriage, which was protected in the 1967 Loving v. Virginia ruling, lawmakers and scholars fear.

Jackson bashed Thomas as “Uncle Clarence” in a Friday night tweet, referring to the excessively servile Black character in Harriet Beecher Stowe’s pre-Civil War novel “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.”

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/samuel-j ... 61736b41b9


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“I am proud that Arizona has been ranked the most pro-life state in the country. Here, we will continue to cherish life and protect it in every way possible,” he wrote in a subsequent tweet.

But things soon got awkward when a Twitter user quote-tweeted Ducey’s post, claiming his son made her take a pregnancy-blocking drug after the two allegedly had a tryst.

https://twitter.com/neenaab3/status/1540427762556477440


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Preserving life in Arizona

A deadly weekend: Multiple shootings in Central Arizona leave 6 dead, including 2 teens

https://www.12news.com/article/news/cri ... 6ff33f422e


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PostPosted: 06/27/22 7:49 am • # 64 
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There are currently no abortion bans in the U.S. that attempt to prosecute women who cross state lines to seek an abortion. But states could try in the future, a law professor said.

Is it legal for women to travel out of state for an abortion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/a ... -bans.html


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PostPosted: 06/28/22 5:46 am • # 65 
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A jaw dropping statement - although given who made it maybe that should be chin dropping?

Mitch McConnell says some women's rights 'outdated and wrong' following abortion ruling

David Edwards

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) suggested on Monday that women's reproductive rights have become "outdated" -- and that's why the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

McConnell made the remarks during a speech in Florence, Kentucky.

The Senate minority leader compared the Supreme Court's abortion decision to its reversal on racial segregation in Plessy v. Ferguson.

"It became, 9 to nothing, the law of the land, bringing down ...

https://www.rawstory.com/mitch-mcconnel ... -outdated/


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PostPosted: 06/30/22 11:39 am • # 66 
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Florida Judge Will Temporarily Block 15-Week Abortion Ban
The ban, passed by Republican lawmakers and signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis, was scheduled to take effect on Friday.


A Florida law banning abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy violates privacy protections in the State Constitution, a state judge ruled on Thursday, a day before the new restrictions were to take effect.

Judge John C. Cooper of the Second Judicial Circuit Court in Tallahassee ruled from the bench that the law, signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in April, will not be enforced for now. Florida currently allows abortions until 24 weeks, making the state a refuge for women seeking the procedure from across Southeastern states with tighter restrictions.

Judge Cooper said he would issue a temporary statewide injunction. It will not be binding until he signs a written order, something the judge said would not happen on Thursday. The ban takes effect at midnight.

Judge Cooper granted the relief sought by Planned Parenthood, the Center for Reproductive Rights and the American Civil Liberties Union after a two-day hearing laid bare the nation’s divisive debate over abortion rights. The hearing began on Monday, three days after the Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade, eliminating the constitutional right to abortion after nearly 50 years.

The state is expected to ....

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/us/f ... ocked.html


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PostPosted: 06/30/22 12:55 pm • # 67 
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I approve completely but there is no way he's going to get enough votes in the Senate to agree

Biden, Chiding Court, Endorses Ending Filibuster to Codify Abortion Rights
The president called the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade “destabilizing’’ and said Congress needed to act to codify it into law.

Michael D. Shear and Jim Tankersley

President Biden on Thursday condemned what he called the “outrageous behavior” of the Supreme Court in overturning Roe v. Wade and said for the first time that he supported ending the filibuster to protect a woman’s right to an abortion and a broader constitutional right to privacy.

It was a striking assertion from a president who is steeped in the traditions of the Senate and has resisted calls from the liberal wing of the Democratic Party to scrap the longstanding Senate practice of requiring a 60-vote threshold to pass legislation. But in chiding the justices for a decision he called “destabilizing” for the country, the president said it was time to push Congress to act.

“We have to codify Roe v. Wade in the law, and the way to do that is to make sure the Congress votes to do that,” Mr. Biden said. “And if the filibuster gets in the way, it’s like voting rights, we provide an exception for this, or an exception to ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/worl ... jan-6.html


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PostPosted: 07/01/22 4:46 pm • # 68 
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Since Texas is one of the states taking a hard line on the topic, this fits here

“From bad to worse”: U.S. judge deplores conditions for Texas foster kids sent out of state
As Texas’ long-running struggle to find enough placements for foster care children persists, more than 100 kids were sent out of state last year.

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A Michigan facility housing Texas foster care children was missing its front door while it was 28 degrees outside and there hadn’t been indoor heat for 24 hours.

Staff didn’t make calls to get either the heat restored or the door fixed. They also didn’t attempt to move the children or give them blankets or jackets.

That’s just one of the out-of-state facilities where Texas recently sent ...

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/12 ... tem-fines/


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PostPosted: 07/01/22 5:13 pm • # 69 
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Here is one truth: No matter what the law says, women will continue to get abortions. How do I know? Because in the relatively recent past, women would allow strangers to brutalize them, to poke knitting needles and wire hangers into their wombs, to thread catheters through their cervices and fill them with Lysol, or scalding-hot water, or lye. Women have been willing to risk death to get an abortion. When we made abortion legal, we decided we weren’t going to let that happen anymore," Caitlin Flanagan wrote in 2019.

THE DISHONESTY OF THE ABORTION DEBATE
Why we need to face the best arguments from the other side

Caitlin Flanagan

In 1956, two American physicians, J. A. Presley and W. E. Brown, colleagues at the University of Arkansas School of Medicine, decided that four recent admissions to their hospital were significant enough to warrant a published report. “Lysol-Induced Criminal Abortion” appeared in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology. It describes four women who were admitted to the hospital in extreme distress, all of them having had “criminal abortions” with what the doctors believed to be an unusual agent: Lysol. The powerful cleaner had been pumped into their wombs. Three of them survived, and one of them died.

The first woman arrived at the hospital in a “hysterical state.” She was 32 years old, her husband was with her, and she was in the midst of an obvious medical crisis: Her temperature was 104 degrees, and her urine was “port-wine” colored and contained extremely high levels of albumin, indicating that her kidneys were shutting down. Her husband eventually confessed that they had gone to a doctor for an abortion two days earlier. Four hours after admission, the woman became agitated; she was put in restraints and sedated. Two hours after that, she began to breathe in the deep and ragged manner of ...

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ce/600769/

The lesson to be learned is that you can't ban abortions. All you can do is ban safe abortions.


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It's already set off a debate among justices over whether overturning Roe puts those precedents in danger.

After the contorted reasoning in abolishing Roe vs. Wade and their outright bulldozing of the precedents which upheld it, I have no idea why they would be concerned about precedent. They're just going to ignore it anyway.


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PostPosted: 07/02/22 6:18 am • # 71 
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We have a son living in the US. They have started the paperwork for his partner to move to Canada permanently.


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oskar576 wrote:
We have a son living in the US. They have started the paperwork for his partner to move to Canada permanently.

Smart man.


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Supreme Court States That Abortion Is Not Rooted In The American Nation’s History, This Software Engineer Proves The Statement Is Not True
Oleg Tarasenko and Saulė Tolstych

A few days ago, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, deciding that the US Constitution does not provide for the right to abortion, and the states have the right to regulate this area on their own. At the same time, the effect of the decision of the long-standing case Roe v. Wade has been cancelled.

This decision has become one of the most discussed in the history of American legal proceedings, and now social networks are literally inflamed with fierce discussions between those in favor of the right to abortion and their opponents. At the same time, some participants in the dispute are more interested in the formal side of the Supreme Court’s verdict.

For example, John Skinner, a software engineer from Texas, was intrigued by the Supreme Court’s claim that abortion is not “deeply rooted in the history and traditions of this Nation.” Skinner went to archives and did a lot of research on ...

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Clinton Bluntly Describes Former Classmate Thomas' Personality In Warning About Roe Reversal
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In the wake of the US Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, there has been a lot of backlash against the Supreme Court justices, including Judge Clarence Thomas.

Hillary Clinton had her own piece to day about Thomas' history. She went to Yale Law School at the same time as Thomas, and related her experiences with the man.

Clinton told CBS Mornings' Gayle King:

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"I went to law school with him. He’s been a person of grievance for as long as I have known him. Resentment, grievance, anger [...] women are going to die, Gayle. Women will die."

Clinton, and others, are especially concerned about Thomas' words in his concurring opinion released when the Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Most concerning to a majority of people was a line indicating Thomas wants the court to ...

https://secondnexus.com/hillary-clinton ... classmates


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A RIGHT-WING RELIGIOUS ACTIVIST WAS CAUGHT ON HOT MIC SAYING SHE PRAYED WITH SUPREME COURT JUSTICES
The woman, who was heard on audio obtained by Rolling Stone, is connected to an organization that filed a brief before the court.

RAFI SCHWARTZ

Here’s a little peek behind the curtain of how my job works: If I’m writing about a specific subject, and I happen to have a connection with any of the people or organizations involved in what I’m writing about, I have to say so right there in the middle of the article. If I have a really serious connection to anyone I’m supposed to be writing about, I say “nope, sorry, can’t cover this story. I’m too close,” and then I respectfully bow out to let one of my colleagues with some distance take over. This is a fairly standard practice to avoid the even the appearance — much less the actual presence — of a conflict of interest. For the most part it works out very nicely for everyone involved.

For some reason, however, that no-brainer of a policy does not seem to hold true when it comes to the highest court in the land, and its ability to adjudicate on the very same issues that some of its members, it just so happens, are personally involved in. In fact, thanks to leaked audio first obtained by Rolling Stone, it now seems clear that several Supreme Court justices have evidently been rubbing elbows with some petitioners who had active cases before the court at the time.

At an anti-reproductive rights rally outside the Supreme Court building in the wake of the court’s ruling to overturn Roe v. Wade last month, Peggy Nienaber, the vice president of the right-wing “Faith & Liberty” group, was caught on a hot mic bragging that she and members of her group regularly pray alongside several of the justices. “They will pray with us, those that like us to pray with them,” she exclaimed, in response to a question from a YouTube streamer filming the rally. “We actually go in there,” she added, when asked where ere’s a little peek behind the curtain of how my job works: If I’m writing about a specific subject, and I happen to have a connection with any of the people or organizations involved in what I’m writing about, I have to say so right there in the middle of the article. If I have a really serious connection to anyone I’m supposed to be writing about, I say “nope, sorry, can’t cover this story. I’m too close,” and then I respectfully bow out to let one of my colleagues with some distance take over. This is a fairly standard practice to avoid the even the appearance — much less the actual presence — of a conflict of interest. For the most part it works out very nicely for everyone involved.

For some reason, however, that no-brainer of a policy does not seem to hold true when it comes to the highest court in the land, and its ability to adjudicate on the very same issues that some of its members, it just so happens, are personally involved in. In fact, thanks to leaked audio first obtained by Rolling Stone, it now seems clear that several Supreme Court justices have evidently been rubbing elbows with some petitioners who had active cases before the court at the time.

At an anti-reproductive rights rally outside the Supreme Court building in the wake of the court’s ruling to overturn Roe v. Wade last month, Peggy Nienaber, the vice president of the right-wing “Faith & Liberty” group, was caught on a hot mic bragging that she and members of her group regularly pray alongside several of the justices. “They will pray with us, those that like us to pray with them,” she exclaimed, in response to a question from a YouTube streamer filming the rally. “We actually go in there,” she added, when asked where the sessions took place.

While the overt religiosity of the currently heavily conservative court is hardly a surprise, Neinaber’s admission (which, she stressed, was made “totally off the record” in the footage obtained by Rolling Stone) poses a problem for both her and the integrity of the court overall. In addition to working with Faith & Liberty, Nienaber also serves as the executive director of the D.C. Ministry, a local affiliate of the national Christian theocracy advocates Liberty Counsel, a Southern Poverty Law Center-designated hate group. And Liberty Counsel, it so happens, has been instrumental in ...

https://www.mic.com/impact/liberty-coun ... -court-roe

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